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steveishere  
#21 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:41:14 PM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
Do you have any sources for that?

Not that I don't trust you. Your posts are always insightful and I fully believe you, but I must've been looking at the wrong Mocks then and I always like to find some more draftnicks to follow.


Not mocks just different draft bloggers I follow like Josh Norris, Dane Brugler, Matt Miller, Tony Pauline, Daniel Jeremiah. Pretty much everyone I've seen on my timeline loves Calvin Pryor as a prospect.
wpr  
#22 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:41:37 PM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post


Ah, yeah, I remember that hype. Didn't he go in the 4th?




He did. Barrett Jones to the Rams at 113 pick.
steveishere  
#23 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:59:42 PM(UTC)
http://draftbreakdown.co...n-pryor-vs-rutgers-2013/

Here's some vid of pryor if anyone cares
Yerko  
#24 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 3:35:30 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/calvin-pryor-vs-rutgers-2013/

Here's some vid of pryor if anyone cares


Watching the video against Rutgers, his latest game...didn't seem very impressive. He filled some gaps on the running game but most of those tackles are shoelace tackles that won't work in the NFL. There were a few passing plays where it looked like he was the one who blew coverage as well. He can tackle the WRs but almost every tackle he made was with his head down which can either be penalized or lead to him getting injured frequently.

Maybe I'm wrong. I'm no Mel Kiper...but if I was given THAT game to watch and had to make a decision, I wouldn't put out a 1st round pick on him. I'd defer my 1st round pick, trade up in the 2nd and get him there.

Him vs Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix doesn't even seem like a question so I am assuming Kiper has someone taking him before the 21st pick.
wpr  
#25 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 3:39:49 PM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
Do you have any sources for that?

Not that I don't trust you. Your posts are always insightful and I fully believe you, but I must've been looking at the wrong Mocks then and I always like to find some more draftnicks to follow.


I was wandering around the web looking at different mock drafts when I came to this site. They have links to over 100 other sites and their drafts.

I will make a couple of comments.

First I don't know how long the links will stay up. This host site is looking for payola to keep them on.

Second Rocky you may know more than some of these people who posts their picks.

Third This is at a Washington Redskins site so not all of the "drafts" complete the first round.

From what I have seen from these links which I only did about 20 of them and a few others before I found this place, TE Amaro is the first choice. LB Mosley is second. Defense is overwhelmingly the way people expect GB to go with 60% of the guesses going to a defensive player. LB 6 DL 6 DB 4
Rockmolder  
#26 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:57:16 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
Not mocks just different draft bloggers I follow like Josh Norris, Dane Brugler, Matt Miller, Tony Pauline, Daniel Jeremiah. Pretty much everyone I've seen on my timeline loves Calvin Pryor as a prospect.


Ah, thanks. My Twitter is such a mess with all the beat writers, draftnicks, Dutch people and everything that I miss a lot. I think I'll make a list for those guys. I love to read Daniel Jeremiah's stuff, especially.
sschind  
#27 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:44:05 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Our defense would be just as bad, and I can only imagine what people would be saying had we drafted a WR in the first round last year.


I think they would have screamed bloody murder at the time but if we would have drafted Patterson I think they may be OK with it now.

Mucky Tundra  
#28 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:54:39 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
I was wandering around the web looking at different mock drafts when I came to this site. They have links to over 100 other sites and their drafts.


Nice find! ThumpUp
steveishere  
#29 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:05:40 PM(UTC)
Yerko said: Go to Quoted Post
Watching the video against Rutgers, his latest game...didn't seem very impressive. He filled some gaps on the running game but most of those tackles are shoelace tackles that won't work in the NFL. There were a few passing plays where it looked like he was the one who blew coverage as well. He can tackle the WRs but almost every tackle he made was with his head down which can either be penalized or lead to him getting injured frequently.

Maybe I'm wrong. I'm no Mel Kiper...but if I was given THAT game to watch and had to make a decision, I wouldn't put out a 1st round pick on him. I'd defer my 1st round pick, trade up in the 2nd and get him there.

Him vs Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix doesn't even seem like a question so I am assuming Kiper has someone taking him before the 21st pick.


That's not what I saw at all. He's an active playmaker who attacks the football and attacks runners. He makes some mistakes because of aggressiveness but he's not wild and I think we could use some aggressiveness. It's not a highlight tape it's a scouting cut up of routine plays lol it isn't meant to be exciting. Clinton Dix scouting cut ups don't really look any different.
sschind  
#30 Posted : Friday, January 17, 2014 7:19:18 PM(UTC)
Yerko said: Go to Quoted Post


Maybe I'm wrong. I'm no Mel Kiper...



We are all thankful there is only one Mel Kiper.

DoddPower  
#31 Posted : Saturday, January 18, 2014 12:06:56 AM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
I think they would have screamed bloody murder at the time but if we would have drafted Patterson I think they may be OK with it now.



How could anyone complain with a team adding another potentially elite player, regardless of position? Almost any average NFL caliber player could offer what Datone did this season. There are only a few players from every draft that have the talent of Patterson, if that. Obviously this could change, but at this point, Patterson is absolutely the better pick, even for the Packers.

Of course I truly believe in BPA. If a team adds elite talent almost every single year, chances are they will find a way to have a good team. Be it by draft and develop, trades, having the teams strengths being so strong that they outweigh the weaknesses, or whatever. There is always free agency to fill a couple of holes with average players, at least for some teams. I'll take elite talent every time, and find ways to fill any gaps that it creates. Just seems much easier and logical that way than the reverse.
sschind  
#32 Posted : Saturday, January 18, 2014 8:54:20 AM(UTC)
DoddPower said: Go to Quoted Post
How could anyone complain with a team adding another potentially elite player, regardless of position? Almost any average NFL caliber player could offer what Datone did this season. There are only a few players from every draft that have the talent of Patterson, if that. Obviously this could change, but at this point, Patterson is absolutely the better pick, even for the Packers.

Of course I truly believe in BPA. If a team adds elite talent almost every single year, chances are they will find a way to have a good team. Be it by draft and develop, trades, having the teams strengths being so strong that they outweigh the weaknesses, or whatever. There is always free agency to fill a couple of holes with average players, at least for some teams. I'll take elite talent every time, and find ways to fill any gaps that it creates. Just seems much easier and logical that way than the reverse.


Don't you think there would have been an uproar of negative responses last year it Ted Thompson would have drafted Patterson? At least more so than the uproar of negative responses that folowed the Jones pick. People didn't see a WR as as big of a need as a pass rusher so if Ted Thompson would have taken Patterson most people would have been upset. At this point yeah, I think almost everyone would be OK with it and I said so in my post.


Take this year for example. The majority of people seem to feel a safety or DL or OLB are our biggest needs. If the BPA is a TE and Ted Thompson takes him most of those people will be angry. If that TE turns out to be the next Graham or Gronk people will change their minds. That is what I meant.

As far as taking the BPA all the time that depends. It's also very subjective. I doubt any two GMs or any draft "experts" have the exact same board so what may be the BPA for half of them may not be the BPA to the other half. Non GMs can make their draft boards without factoring in need. If they think this CB is just a little better than that WR they will have him higher. A GM of a team that desperately needs a WR may have those two players reversed. When it comes time for that GM to make his pick he will probably take the WR. He thinks he is taking the BPA and the experts think he is drafting for need.

Obviously if we are talking about 1 or 2 spots its not a big deal. The problem comes in when the team right in front of your GM takes that WR and now your GM takes a WR he had rated 10 spots below the CB just to fill the need. That is not the right move to make.

The question is should GMs take their current roster into account when they make up their board or should they go simply on their opinions of the players in the draft. I guess ideally they would forget about their current players and simply make a list of the best players in the draft. That would eliminate the possibility of a current weakness on the team influencing their opinion of a particular player or position causing them to inflate their value.
DoddPower  
#33 Posted : Saturday, January 18, 2014 5:40:32 PM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
Don't you think there would have been an uproar of negative responses last year it Ted Thompson would have drafted Patterson? At least more so than the uproar of negative responses that folowed the Jones pick. People didn't see a WR as as big of a need as a pass rusher so if Ted Thompson would have taken Patterson most people would have been upset. At this point yeah, I think almost everyone would be OK with it and I said so in my post.


Take this year for example. The majority of people seem to feel a safety or DL or OLB are our biggest needs. If the BPA is a TE and Ted Thompson takes him most of those people will be angry. If that TE turns out to be the next Graham or Gronk people will change their minds. That is what I meant.

As far as taking the BPA all the time that depends. It's also very subjective. I doubt any two GMs or any draft "experts" have the exact same board so what may be the BPA for half of them may not be the BPA to the other half. Non GMs can make their draft boards without factoring in need. If they think this CB is just a little better than that WR they will have him higher. A GM of a team that desperately needs a WR may have those two players reversed. When it comes time for that GM to make his pick he will probably take the WR. He thinks he is taking the BPA and the experts think he is drafting for need.

Obviously if we are talking about 1 or 2 spots its not a big deal. The problem comes in when the team right in front of your GM takes that WR and now your GM takes a WR he had rated 10 spots below the CB just to fill the need. That is not the right move to make.

The question is should GMs take their current roster into account when they make up their board or should they go simply on their opinions of the players in the draft. I guess ideally they would forget about their current players and simply make a list of the best players in the draft. That would eliminate the possibility of a current weakness on the team influencing their opinion of a particular player or position causing them to inflate their value.


Well, I was completely speaking in hindsight. I understand it's not easy to truly identify whether one player is actually "better" than the other, regardless of position. But if a general manager feels that one player is truly the best player available, than I hope he would take them every time. I liked the Datone Jones pick, and still do. But based on this last season only, Patterson was the better pick. The Packers could have probably signed a dozen different free agents that gave them what Datone Jones did this season, and possibly more. I'm not sure that's the case with a guy like Patterson, unless the Packers traded for Percy Harvin or something . . . and that didn't work out either.
play2win  
#34 Posted : Monday, January 20, 2014 11:40:48 AM(UTC)
DoddPower said: Go to Quoted Post
How could anyone complain with a team adding another potentially elite player, regardless of position? Almost any average NFL caliber player could offer what Datone did this season. There are only a few players from every draft that have the talent of Patterson, if that. Obviously this could change, but at this point, Patterson is absolutely the better pick, even for the Packers.

Of course I truly believe in BPA. If a team adds elite talent almost every single year, chances are they will find a way to have a good team. Be it by draft and develop, trades, having the teams strengths being so strong that they outweigh the weaknesses, or whatever. There is always free agency to fill a couple of holes with average players, at least for some teams. I'll take elite talent every time, and find ways to fill any gaps that it creates. Just seems much easier and logical that way than the reverse.


Your point is well taken DoddPower. Imagine how differently this team may have fared this year had we taken Patterson instead of Jones...
porky88  
#35 Posted : Monday, January 20, 2014 9:49:10 PM(UTC)
My first mock draft of the year.

Quote:
21. Green Bay Packers -- C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama
Getting tougher upfront is a necessity if Green Bay is to compete with San Francisco and Seattle in the NFC. Mosley fits the bill. Many regard him as one of the elite prospects of this draft, but linebackers tend to fall on draft day, and the Alabama tag makes him a little overrated. Still, Mosley is an excellent two-down linebacker. He and long-time Green Bay linebacker A.J. Hawk would give the Packers a rugged look at the position.
Rockmolder  
#36 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:14:03 AM(UTC)
porky88 said: Go to Quoted Post
My first mock draft of the year.



May I ask why you see him as a two-down linebacker?
steveishere  
#37 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:56:35 AM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
May I ask why you see him as a two-down linebacker?


Yeah, I was under the impression that his strength was pass coverage ability.
cheeseheads123  
#38 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:56:56 AM(UTC)
Remember that time Kiper had Brohm #1?
porky88  
#39 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 7:17:38 PM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
May I ask why you see him as a two-down linebacker?

I think he’s a good player who is being mistaken for a great player. I conclude this based on two things.

1. He doesn’t react quickly to a play. That doesn’t mean he won’t make the play, but it also means he may not make as many as he should.

2. Do his workout numbers translate into his on-field athleticism? I’ve seen some reports suggest he runs a 4.5 or 4.6 in the 40. I don’t see that on the field. In my opinion, he’ll cover the flats well enough, but he’s not going to turn and run stride for stride with quality NFL tight ends.
wpr  
#40 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2014 7:35:56 PM(UTC)
porky88 said: Go to Quoted Post
I think he’s a good player who is being mistaken for a great player. I conclude this based on two things.

1. He doesn’t react quickly to a play. That doesn’t mean he won’t make the play, but it also means he may not make as many as he should.

2. Do his workout numbers translate into his on-field athleticism? I’ve seen some reports suggest he runs a 4.5 or 4.6 in the 40. I don’t see that on the field. In my opinion, he’ll cover the flats well enough, but he’s not going to turn and run stride for stride with quality NFL tight ends.


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