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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#16 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:25:14 AM(UTC)

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Yeah I have a hard time accepting the fact that he will be the BPA. He may be the best S available but Ted almost never takes the player at a need position if someone considerably better is still on the board.


I hate the BPA term. It is really BPAFP (Best player available for Packers). Need is always considered when ranking players. Players with more talent may be ranked lower than another if they play a position we don't need as bad. Ted's final board is a combination of so many factors.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:43:46 AM(UTC)

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Packers should have selected Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis. Stupid Ted Thompson. STUPID!! We all seen that Hawk would blow like Raji.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:06:52 PM(UTC)

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A lot of the draft guys I follow on twitter seem to think he's 1st round quality and I've been seeing it before Kiper came out with his thing. There's really no reason at this point to think he's a reach in the first round. He's got the production and physical ability for it.


Do you have any sources for that?

Not that I don't trust you. Your posts are always insightful and I fully believe you, but I must've been looking at the wrong Mocks then and I always like to find some more draftnicks to follow.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:16:05 PM(UTC)

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I'm continually becoming more and more infatuated with Ra'shede Hageman. He's so big and has the long arms necessary to excel as a defensive end in a 3-4, or on the inside. I'm definitely going to be keeping my eye on him.


If he falls to 21, there's no doubt in my mind we should take him... At this point. Maybe if he does horribly at the Combine that'll change. Can't imagine that happening, though.

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At this time last year Kiper had the Packers taking Barrett Jones G/C Alabama


Ah, yeah, I remember that hype. Didn't he go in the 4th?

PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
I hate the BPA term. It is really BPAFP (Best player available for Packers). Need is always considered when ranking players. Players with more talent may be ranked lower than another if they play a position we don't need as bad. Ted's final board is a combination of so many factors.


Maybe it is, but it shouldn't. I truly believe that, maybe except for STs and QB, you always go BPA, taking into consideration positional value.

That's how the Giants build that ridiculous DE nucleous, that's how the Lions built that D-line and that's how we build our WR to start with. Maybe it looks like overkill at some points, but I'd rather have 3 elite DEs that I can rotate, than 2 elite DEs and a good ILB.

But I agree with you, we draft BPAFP, as you coined it. That's how a guy like Cordarelle Patterson wasn't drafted last year. Or, at least, I think. I obviously can't look at the Packers bigboard.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:37:41 PM(UTC)

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That's how a guy like Cordarelle Patterson wasn't drafted last year. Or, at least, I think. I obviously can't look at the Packers bigboard.


Our defense would be just as bad, and I can only imagine what people would be saying had we drafted a WR in the first round last year.
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#21 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:41:14 PM(UTC)

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Do you have any sources for that?

Not that I don't trust you. Your posts are always insightful and I fully believe you, but I must've been looking at the wrong Mocks then and I always like to find some more draftnicks to follow.


Not mocks just different draft bloggers I follow like Josh Norris, Dane Brugler, Matt Miller, Tony Pauline, Daniel Jeremiah. Pretty much everyone I've seen on my timeline loves Calvin Pryor as a prospect.
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#22 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:41:37 PM(UTC)

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Ah, yeah, I remember that hype. Didn't he go in the 4th?




He did. Barrett Jones to the Rams at 113 pick.
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#23 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:59:42 PM(UTC)

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http://draftbreakdown.co...n-pryor-vs-rutgers-2013/

Here's some vid of pryor if anyone cares
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#24 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 3:35:30 PM(UTC)

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http://draftbreakdown.com/video/calvin-pryor-vs-rutgers-2013/

Here's some vid of pryor if anyone cares


Watching the video against Rutgers, his latest game...didn't seem very impressive. He filled some gaps on the running game but most of those tackles are shoelace tackles that won't work in the NFL. There were a few passing plays where it looked like he was the one who blew coverage as well. He can tackle the WRs but almost every tackle he made was with his head down which can either be penalized or lead to him getting injured frequently.

Maybe I'm wrong. I'm no Mel Kiper...but if I was given THAT game to watch and had to make a decision, I wouldn't put out a 1st round pick on him. I'd defer my 1st round pick, trade up in the 2nd and get him there.

Him vs Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix doesn't even seem like a question so I am assuming Kiper has someone taking him before the 21st pick.
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#25 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 3:39:49 PM(UTC)

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Do you have any sources for that?

Not that I don't trust you. Your posts are always insightful and I fully believe you, but I must've been looking at the wrong Mocks then and I always like to find some more draftnicks to follow.


I was wandering around the web looking at different mock drafts when I came to this site. They have links to over 100 other sites and their drafts.

I will make a couple of comments.

First I don't know how long the links will stay up. This host site is looking for payola to keep them on.

Second Rocky you may know more than some of these people who posts their picks.

Third This is at a Washington Redskins site so not all of the "drafts" complete the first round.

From what I have seen from these links which I only did about 20 of them and a few others before I found this place, TE Amaro is the first choice. LB Mosley is second. Defense is overwhelmingly the way people expect GB to go with 60% of the guesses going to a defensive player. LB 6 DL 6 DB 4
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#26 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:57:16 PM(UTC)

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Not mocks just different draft bloggers I follow like Josh Norris, Dane Brugler, Matt Miller, Tony Pauline, Daniel Jeremiah. Pretty much everyone I've seen on my timeline loves Calvin Pryor as a prospect.


Ah, thanks. My Twitter is such a mess with all the beat writers, draftnicks, Dutch people and everything that I miss a lot. I think I'll make a list for those guys. I love to read Daniel Jeremiah's stuff, especially.
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#27 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:44:05 PM(UTC)

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PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Our defense would be just as bad, and I can only imagine what people would be saying had we drafted a WR in the first round last year.


I think they would have screamed bloody murder at the time but if we would have drafted Patterson I think they may be OK with it now.

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#28 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:54:39 PM(UTC)

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I was wandering around the web looking at different mock drafts when I came to this site. They have links to over 100 other sites and their drafts.


Nice find! ThumpUp
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#29 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:05:40 PM(UTC)

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Watching the video against Rutgers, his latest game...didn't seem very impressive. He filled some gaps on the running game but most of those tackles are shoelace tackles that won't work in the NFL. There were a few passing plays where it looked like he was the one who blew coverage as well. He can tackle the WRs but almost every tackle he made was with his head down which can either be penalized or lead to him getting injured frequently.

Maybe I'm wrong. I'm no Mel Kiper...but if I was given THAT game to watch and had to make a decision, I wouldn't put out a 1st round pick on him. I'd defer my 1st round pick, trade up in the 2nd and get him there.

Him vs Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix doesn't even seem like a question so I am assuming Kiper has someone taking him before the 21st pick.


That's not what I saw at all. He's an active playmaker who attacks the football and attacks runners. He makes some mistakes because of aggressiveness but he's not wild and I think we could use some aggressiveness. It's not a highlight tape it's a scouting cut up of routine plays lol it isn't meant to be exciting. Clinton Dix scouting cut ups don't really look any different.
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Maybe I'm wrong. I'm no Mel Kiper...



We are all thankful there is only one Mel Kiper.

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