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Offline nerdmann  
#26 Posted : Friday, January 31, 2014 5:29:53 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: luigis Go to Quoted Post
I believe you need 3 things:

- A francjise QB (check)
- Some luck
- The right path to reach the SB

Some teams are better prepared to defeat some other teams. Some coaches fit better against some others.

In 2010 we drawed Phily, Atlanta and Chicago. We could defeat those teams and we still can.
San Francisco and the Giants are teams that we can't defeat.

I'm sure we would have defeated Carolina this year, too bad we had San Francisco in the middle.


We've beaten the Giants before.

As for the Niners, they fear us now, and they should. Last second FG? Two defensive starters down on the first drive? No way they take us lightly.
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#27 Posted : Friday, January 31, 2014 8:30:01 PM(UTC)
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Tramon Williams signs extension.(or cut him)

Sign Sam Shields to 4 yr deal(this is a must if Williams refuses to sign an extension)

Can't lose them both.

O-line-fine, plenty of deoth(say goodbye to EDS)

Te's fine(if Quarless is resigned)(say goodbye to Finley)

Rb's/Fb's fine(as long a Kuhn is resigned)(say good bye to James Starks)

Qb's fine (as long as Ted resigns Matt Flynn)

WR's fine (say goodbye to James Jones) A mistake IMO, but Ted knows better than me.

D-line need help(especially if Jolly and Pickett are not resigned)(say goodby to Raji)

(those "old slow fat-asses" as they have been described by some of this forums football geniuses, are needed back 1 more year to transition The Boyd's and Jones's on The Packers roster).

Packers will not sniff a SB without Jolly and Pickett back 1 more year.

LBr's fine, plenty of depth as long as they stay healthy(say goodbye to Lattimore and Francois)

CB's already adressed this at top, Packers will be set if Williams and Shields are both back, plenty of young deoth. Ted loses 1 , then Paxckers are in trouble, they lose both, forget about any SB run.

S need help, Richardson and Burnette can be solid starters(when healthy and play up to their potential), but no depth after that.

Ted will not change his philosphy of draft and develope.

Therefor any talk of a high-priced FA coming to The Packers is pretty much just that TALK.
#1 Packers can't afford it
#2 Not Teds way.

All likelyhood Ted will Turn his 7 picks into 10 or 11(which i think is a mistake).
He will draft 2 S'afeties , 2 - TE's, 2 d-linemn, a RB, a WR, an OT, a LBr, and a QB.

7 of these guys will nake the final 53 man roster, and The Packers will once again hope the Vets stay healthy or these players will be thown into the fire way before they are ready.

The Packers will make a run at The SupeBowl in 2014 if less than 3 starters end up on IR, and none of them are named Rodgers or Mathews.






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#28 Posted : Friday, January 31, 2014 8:44:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
Tramon Williams signs extension.(or cut him)

Sign Sam Shields to 4 yr deal(this is a must if Williams refuses to sign an extension)

Can't lose them both.

O-line-fine, plenty of deoth(say goodbye to EDS)

Te's fine(if Quarless is resigned)(say goodbye to Finley)

Rb's/Fb's fine(as long a Kuhn is resigned)(say good bye to James Starks)

Qb's fine (as long as Ted resigns Matt Flynn)

WR's fine (say goodbye to James Jones) A mistake IMO, but Ted knows better than me.

D-line need help(especially if Jolly and Pickett are not resigned)(say goodby to Raji)

(those "old slow fat-asses" as they have been described by some of this forums football geniuses, are needed back 1 more year to transition The Boyd's and Jones's on The Packers roster).

Packers will not sniff a SB without Jolly and Pickett back 1 more year.

LBr's fine, plenty of depth as long as they stay healthy(say goodbye to Lattimore and Francois)

CB's already adressed this at top, Packers will be set if Williams and Shields are both back, plenty of young deoth. Ted loses 1 , then Paxckers are in trouble, they lose both, forget about any SB run.

S need help, Richardson and Burnette can be solid starters(when healthy and play up to their potential), but no depth after that.

Ted will not change his philosphy of draft and develope.

Therefor any talk of a high-priced FA coming to The Packers is pretty much just that TALK.
#1 Packers can't afford it
#2 Not Teds way.

All likelyhood Ted will Turn his 7 picks into 10 or 11(which i think is a mistake).
He will draft 2 S'afeties , 2 - TE's, 2 d-linemn, a RB, a WR, an OT, a LBr, and a QB.

7 of these guys will nake the final 53 man roster, and The Packers will once again hope the Vets stay healthy or these players will be thown into the fire way before they are ready.

The Packers will make a run at The SupeBowl in 2014 if less than 3 starters end up on IR, and none of them are named Rodgers or Mathews.



All I can say is I HOPE you are wrong about how Thompson handles things on about a dozen counts. I don't like what the guy has done with the team, but I give him more credit than most of the shit you are talking about - both prediction and wishes.

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#29 Posted : Friday, January 31, 2014 8:59:48 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
All I can say is I HOPE you are wrong about how Thompson handles things on about a dozen counts. I don't like what the guy has done with the team, but I give him more credit than most of the shit you are talking about - both prediction and wishes.



Untill Ted proves me wrong, I'll stick by what I said.

You say it's shit, might be, but I'm not afraid to put it down and be wrong.

The question was what did The Packers need to do to make a SB run, the simple answer is "stay healthy", but the variables going into this offseason are the 18 Fa's currently on the roster.

Who to keep, who to let go, and how replace those that leave.

You don't like my answer, fine, move on.
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#30 Posted : Friday, January 31, 2014 9:28:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Why do you go completely out of your way to be a sniveling little pussy? Usually a dude likes to be masculine. We all know what you really think about this subject.

I don't think we will be sniffing a Super Bowl until we develop a solid Dline and acquire a much better safety to team up with Burnett. Why they didn't use Hyde more at safety this season is confusing.



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#31 Posted : Friday, January 31, 2014 10:01:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post


That guy I could pull out of a well and he'd just jump back in half way up! Some men you just can't reach, which is the way he wants it - so he gets it! Big Grin

Maybe you ought to remind him that little sarcastic jabs in his long winded speeches isn't a good way to keep the peace.
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#32 Posted : Saturday, February 1, 2014 10:17:55 AM(UTC)
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San Francisco and the Giants are teams that we can't defeat.


You do realize that we had to beat New York in week 16 of 2010 in what was effectively an elimination game, right?
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#33 Posted : Saturday, February 1, 2014 10:42:59 AM(UTC)
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You do realize that we had to beat New York in week 16 of 2010 in what was effectively an elimination game, right?


Yeah, that team was a shell of itself from the one that kicked our ass in 2007. The Packers are a finesse team posing as a tough team. When we get a legitimate power blocking run game and a lock down defense - we will kick the shit out of teams like the Giants and 9ers.
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#34 Posted : Saturday, February 1, 2014 11:02:51 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, that team was a shell of itself from the one that kicked our ass in 2007. The Packers are a finesse team posing as a tough team. When we get a legitimate power blocking run game and a lock down defense - we will kick the shit out of teams like the Giants and 9ers.


Shell of itself? They went 10-6 and had many of the same players as the team that won the Super Bowl the next year.
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#35 Posted : Saturday, February 1, 2014 11:18:42 AM(UTC)
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Shell of itself? They went 10-6 and had many of the same players as the team that won the Super Bowl the next year.


If you think those Giants teams were comparable, then I feel sorry for you. Also, if you can't admit that the Packers of 2011-2012 were softer than Liberace at the Playboy Mansion - I also feel sorry for you. These things make me angry about our team, funny how some of you just accept it.
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#36 Posted : Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:16:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
If you think those Giants teams were comparable, then I feel sorry for you. Also, if you can't admit that the Packers of 2011-2012 were softer than Liberace at the Playboy Mansion - I also feel sorry for you. These things make me angry about our team, funny how some of you just accept it.


I'm not talking about the Packers being soft or not. I've discussed before improvements I'd like to see to our defense and our offensive line.

What I'm commenting on, and what annoys me, is historical revision for the sake of trying to make a point. Never mind that we also beat the Giants during the regular season of 2011 as far as whether or not we "can't" beat them.

Suggesting the 2010 and 2011 Giants aren't comparable--teams that had many of the same significant contributors including most of the offensive line, running back tandem, and most of the defensive line (those positions often determining whether or not a team is tough or soft); the same head coach, offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator; and probably over 40 of the same players--is laughable.
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#37 Posted : Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:43:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mi_keys Go to Quoted Post
You do realize that we had to beat New York in week 16 of 2010 in what was effectively an elimination game, right?


Yes of course. But any team can defeat any other any given Sunday.
Teams like the Giants and San Francisco have given us a lot of headeaches.

I believe it is about coaching. Mike McCarthy is outcoached by Coughlin and Harby in the same way that was easy to outcoach Redi, Tomlin and Smith in the 2010 SB run.

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#38 Posted : Saturday, February 1, 2014 1:02:49 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, that team was a shell of itself from the one that kicked our ass in 2007. The Packers are a finesse team posing as a tough team. When we get a legitimate power blocking run game and a lock down defense - we will kick the shit out of teams like the Giants and 9ers.


OUR team was also a shell of itself.

We've beaten the Giants a number of times over the years. It's getting to be a pretty good rivalry, but it's not like they have our number or anything.
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#39 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 6:24:39 AM(UTC)
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One look at Seattle's D last night and I would say we are pretty far away from our next Superbowl.

We need, still, to get bigger and faster on D, and I'll add, meaner. We seemed to play uninspired football far too often last season.

I'm taken aback by our loss of toughness and inspired play. We clearly don't have the same types of players on our D, as was on display with Seattle.
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#40 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 6:51:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
One look at Seattle's D last night and I would say we are pretty far away from our next Superbowl.

We need, still, to get bigger and faster on D, and I'll add, meaner. We seemed to play uninspired football far too often last season.

I'm taken aback by our loss of toughness and inspired play. We clearly don't have the same types of players on our D, as was on display with Seattle.


in other words, despite Coach Michael's contrary insistence, the Packers are a soft team. Especially on defense.
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#41 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 7:24:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
OUR team was also a shell of itself.

We've beaten the Giants a number of times over the years. It's getting to be a pretty good rivalry, but it's not like they have our number or anything.


Naw, just when the game really matters. Sarcasm

Two playoff losses at home to the same team means they have our number, and so do the Niners. Their similarity is defense and team toughness, which we lack.
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#42 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 7:34:39 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
in other words, despite Coach Michael's contrary insistence, the Packers are a soft team. Especially on defense.


Yeah. Absolutely. I don't know of anyone who would describe the Packers as a "physical" football team, and rightly so. We just are not. That needs to change.

Looking back, players like Cullen Jenkins, Collins, Bishop, and Charles Woodson, the former NFL DPOY have never been replaced.

SEA had 3 key FA acquisitions that paid enormous benefits over the last couple of seasons, Chris Clemons, Cliff Avril and McDonald up front. And, they've developed a great set of LBs and DBs. Fast. Big. Hard hitting playmakers.

We don't have that. The climate, mindset, and players needs to drastically change in GB. Personnel staff, coaching staff and players all need to change their ways to truly compete with that.

I mean, my last game attended in GB, v. CLE, I was told by the usher to sit down 3 or 4 times. Two old ladies behind us were complaining about my cheering on the team. WTF? And SEA has the 12th man. The whole climate in GB needs an overhaul. As fans we should be loud, into the game, supporting the team. I realized this is part of a much bigger problem in GB. They want it to be a nice, serene family experience, but there is a tipping point, where we lose any home field advantage because Lambeau has become too nice. It is almost reflected in the team. No one fears Lambeau. Why should they? Our team isn't tough, we don't even make an attempt to add to FA talent to help push us over the edge, and our home turf is easy for visiting teams to win on.

We went 4-4-1 at Home this season.

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#43 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 10:44:50 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Yeah. Absolutely. I don't know of anyone who would describe the Packers as a "physical" football team, and rightly so. We just are not. That needs to change.

Looking back, players like Cullen Jenkins, Collins, Bishop, and Charles Woodson, the former NFL DPOY have never been replaced.

SEA had 3 key FA acquisitions that paid enormous benefits over the last couple of seasons, Chris Clemons, Cliff Avril and McDonald up front. And, they've developed a great set of LBs and DBs. Fast. Big. Hard hitting playmakers.

We don't have that. The climate, mindset, and players needs to drastically change in GB. Personnel staff, coaching staff and players all need to change their ways to truly compete with that.

I mean, my last game attended in GB, v. CLE, I was told by the usher to sit down 3 or 4 times. Two old ladies behind us were complaining about my cheering on the team. WTF? And SEA has the 12th man. The whole climate in GB needs an overhaul. As fans we should be loud, into the game, supporting the team. I realized this is part of a much bigger problem in GB. They want it to be a nice, serene family experience, but there is a tipping point, where we lose any home field advantage because Lambeau has become too nice. It is almost reflected in the team. No one fears Lambeau. Why should they? Our team isn't tough, we don't even make an attempt to add to FA talent to help push us over the edge, and our home turf is easy for visiting teams to win on.

We went 4-4-1 at Home this season.


No No NO. You CAN"T add quality FAs to the Packer team. You can only draft players or pick up the leftovers after the draft has ended and then sit back and wait for them to develop. Obviously the coaching staff is so great they can take any player and turn them into an all world player simply by walking past them while they insure the guys are properly stretching out before practices to insure they don't pull or tear any muscles or ligaments.

I like Mike. He is a heck of a nice guy. But look at the two HC of the NFC for the past two SB. Both are a bit of an @ss. There teams especially their defenses reflect that personality. I want to see that swagger back in GB again.

As for your Lambeau experience, over the years I have been to a lot of games. Having people sit down is not a problem in or section. A lot of people stand. A lot of people cheer and make noise. The only time I recall it being an issue is when people stand and there is really nothing going on at the time. I like it when the crowd is more or less quiet when GB is on offense. I don't mind the noise when they are on defense. I yell when there is something to yell about. If the other team is backed up to their end zone. If it is 2nd and 3rd down and long. If it is 4th down and any distance. Normally I don't do a whole lot on 1st down and they are at mid field. Or 2nd and short. It just seems practical to pick and choose the times to yell the loudest. Then again if the defense is laying down and letting the other team march all over them, I don't get too noisy. I kind of like to see the defense stand up and make some plays before I am required to do so too. The harder the defense plays the more noise I will make.
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#44 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 10:55:35 AM(UTC)
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After the game I was watching some of the post games shows late last night and I heard one comment and I can't remember who made it. But what they said was, Peyton's skill at being able to figure out what the defense is trying to do, to be able to read the scheme was nullified because Seattle didn't do anything in the scheme. They don't line up and try to trick you, they just beat you.

And that is what we are missing, mainly on the Dline, we don't win many battles at all, even with Clay. Al Harris, played mean, Woodson played mean, Collins played mean, Jenkins played mean Kampmann played mean. Today, nobody is mean. Clay had that once, but has lost it.

I would actually love to have somebody like Suh on this team. I believe we have the talent to be a very good defense, maybe not what Seattle showed because what they were this year, is something you don't see often. But I don't know if that talent can be turned mean enough. Than again we don't need to be Seattle defense, we need to be a very good packers defense because I think we are going to have the most powerful offense next year with the balance of Rodgers passing and lacy running.
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#45 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:14:47 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
No No NO. You CAN"T add quality FAs to the Packer team. You can only draft players or pick up the leftovers after the draft has ended and then sit back and wait for them to develop. Obviously the coaching staff is so great they can take any player and turn them into an all world player simply by walking past them while they insure the guys are properly stretching out before practices to insure they don't pull or tear any muscles or ligaments.

I like Mike. He is a heck of a nice guy. But look at the two HC of the NFC for the past two SB. Both are a bit of an @ss. There teams especially their defenses reflect that personality. I want to see that swagger back in GB again.

As for your Lambeau experience, over the years I have been to a lot of games. Having people sit down is not a problem in or section. A lot of people stand. A lot of people cheer and make noise. The only time I recall it being an issue is when people stand and there is really nothing going on at the time. I like it when the crowd is more or less quiet when GB is on offense. I don't mind the noise when they are on defense. I yell when there is something to yell about. If the other team is backed up to their end zone. If it is 2nd and 3rd down and long. If it is 4th down and any distance. Normally I don't do a whole lot on 1st down and they are at mid field. Or 2nd and short. It just seems practical to pick and choose the times to yell the loudest. Then again if the defense is laying down and letting the other team march all over them, I don't get too noisy. I kind of like to see the defense stand up and make some plays before I am required to do so too. The harder the defense plays the more noise I will make.


Yeah, it was just the principle of the thing… nothing inappropriate, but simply responding to good play, etc. I was baffled and super disappointed. But, there is this attitude that is missing there. How the hell can you not be allowed to stand up and cheer a good play, or to make some noise with the opposing offense on the field? How can a person not be allowed to get into the game that they paid dearly for? I mean, I stood and cheered as they carried Finley off on a stretcher, showing support for the man, and that was the last time the usher came down and warned me. I was completely shocked. Pissed. That would NEVER happen in Seattle. I guarantee it.

I think the Packers need to add some nasty back to Lambeau Field, and take back their long lost HFA. Enough with the frumpy old ladies who just want to sit in the park and watch a ball game. Green Bay needs an attitude change, in every aspect of what they do. "Go Pack Go, Eh!" Cute, but hardly menacing…

I mean, Bruce Irvin and Marshawn Lynch weren't "Packer People," and they just won the SB…

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#46 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:31:30 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, it was just the principle of the thing… nothing inappropriate, but simply responding to good play, etc. I was baffled and super disappointed. But, there is this attitude that is missing there. How the hell can you not be allowed to stand up and cheer a good play, or to make some noise with the opposing offense on the field? How can a person not be allowed to get into the game that they paid dearly for? I mean, I stood and cheered as they carried Finley off on a stretcher, showing support for the man, and that was the last time the usher came down and warned me. I was completely shocked. Pissed. That would NEVER happen in Seattle. I guarantee it.

I think the Packers need to add some nasty back to Lambeau Field, and take back their long lost HFA. Enough with the frumpy old ladies who just want to sit in the park and watch a ball game. Green Bay needs an attitude change, in every aspect of what they do. "Go Pack Go, Eh!" Cute, but hardly menacing…

I mean, Bruce Irvin and Marshawn Lynch weren't "Packer People," and they just won the SB…



I was at the Cleveland game. Everyone around us stood and applauded JerMike. You just had an over zealous flunky as an usher.
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Yeah, it was just the principle of the thing… nothing inappropriate, but simply responding to good play, etc. I was baffled and super disappointed. But, there is this attitude that is missing there. How the hell can you not be allowed to stand up and cheer a good play, or to make some noise with the opposing offense on the field? How can a person not be allowed to get into the game that they paid dearly for? I mean, I stood and cheered as they carried Finley off on a stretcher, showing support for the man, and that was the last time the usher came down and warned me. I was completely shocked. Pissed. That would NEVER happen in Seattle. I guarantee it.

I think the Packers need to add some nasty back to Lambeau Field, and take back their long lost HFA. Enough with the frumpy old ladies who just want to sit in the park and watch a ball game. Green Bay needs an attitude change, in every aspect of what they do. "Go Pack Go, Eh!" Cute, but hardly menacing…

I mean, Bruce Irvin and Marshawn Lynch weren't "Packer People," and they just won the SB…



stop with the packers people crap. Do you have some sort of credible information that GB wasn't interested in those guys or something because they weren't "packer people" No you don't because GB did try to get Lynch here. So much for that idea.
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#48 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:37:11 AM(UTC)
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I was at the Cleveland game. Everyone around us stood and applauded JerMike. You just had an over zealous flunky as an usher.


Yeah, holy crap. And two old bats behind us...
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#49 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:39:05 AM(UTC)
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stop with the packers people crap. Do you have some sort of credible information that GB wasn't interested in those guys or something because they weren't "packer people" No you don't because GB did try to get Lynch here. So much for that idea.


What is your problem?

A half hearted attempt by Ted Thompson, to me, does not automatically translate to "trying." I guess it does to you.
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#50 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:42:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
What is your problem?

A half hearted attempt by Ted Thompson, to me, does not automatically translate to "trying." I guess it does to you.


You don't know what attempts were made lol. Either way the fact is they were interested in him which makes the packer people statement complete bullshit. People take the packer people thing too far it isn't a thing as much as some people act like it's a thing.
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