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wpr  
#61 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 1:30:20 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Seattle's D is good, but they seemed to be pretty healthy. And here's, IMO the major deciding factor in that game: Peyton overprepares himself for big games, then gets overly tense and shits himself.

What we say in the Superbowl this year was FOUR solid quarters of Mike McCarthy LULL. Tense up, think too much, be tentative, never get into a rhythmn, shit yourself repeatedly.

Archie Manning was a great player, stuck on a shitty team for his entire career. His sons are his revenge on the NFL. It just means too much to Peyton Manning. He can't relax and just play in those situations.


Manning is all right in my book.
He won the only SB that I wanted him to win. SB XLI.
PackFanWithTwins  
#62 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 1:30:35 PM(UTC)
1,876 miles according to Google Maps.
wpr  
#63 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 1:31:52 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
1,876 miles according to Google Maps.


I was going to check on that a couple of days ago and didn't get around to it. I am glad there are other smart @sses around here.
wpr  
#64 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 1:47:16 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
You don't know what attempts were made lol. Either way the fact is they were interested in him which makes the packer people statement complete bullshit. People take the packer people thing too far it isn't a thing as much as some people act like it's a thing.


Players who were "Packer People" died in the 80's if not before.

Davenpoop, Jolly and a whole lot of others, too many to recall them all, have had run ins with the authorities. (Hot tub anyone?)

Me I like to use the term only to get other people all worked up. Mainly because it is so easy to do. I didn't realize you were one of the people who is overly sensitive to the term.

In reality Lynch was questionable. Since GB was going to be draft after Seattle they could not offer a 4th and 5th because higher picks were already offered by Seattle. GB couldn't offer two 4th round picks since their 2nd pick wasn't known at that time and it was a compensation pick. That only leaves offering a 3rd round pick PLUS something later in the draft. There was sufficient doubt as to whether or not he was worth a 3rd round pick. that could be character wise or ability wise or both.

Turns out GB didn't need Lynn to win the SB that year. It would have been nice to have him the next couple of years but in the long run I am glad they didn't trade for him because if they had they would not have selected Lacy last year. When it is all done Lacy is going to have the better career.
User is suspended until 5/28/2018 11:54:40 AM(UTC) DakotaT  
#65 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 1:58:26 PM(UTC)
God that Packer People shit sickens me! Anybody that actually believes in that shit really needs to seek some more education on human psychology. Human beings are not nor will they ever be perfect. The Packer People bullshit is a politically correct way of saying we don't want players like Michael Irvin or Terrell Owens, only people are too chicken shit to actually say it.
User is suspended until 5/28/2018 11:54:40 AM(UTC) DakotaT  
#66 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 4:50:56 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
Manning is all right in my book.
He won the only SB that I wanted him to win. SB XLI.


That'd be some book! RollEyes [sarcasm]
wpr  
#67 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 5:09:29 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
That'd be some book! RollEyes [sarcasm]


it is. You're in it.
User is suspended until 5/28/2018 11:54:40 AM(UTC) DakotaT  
#68 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 5:28:27 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
it is. You're in it.


Good or bad, you fuckrs feed off me, no doubt in my mind. You're welcome, Wayne!
wpr  
#69 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 6:54:55 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Good or bad, you fuckrs feed off me, no doubt in my mind. You're welcome, Wayne!


as do you my friend.
User is suspended until 5/28/2018 11:54:40 AM(UTC) DakotaT  
#70 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 8:25:05 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
as do you my friend.


I'm pretty sure I'd strive and survive in any atmosphere. I choose to be here because of some of you!
play2win  
#71 Posted : Tuesday, February 4, 2014 7:06:14 AM(UTC)
Let me get this straight.... I said "Packer People," once, and stevie gets his undies in a twist and ruins a perfectly good thread? And this gets another, separate "Packer People" thread started?

Wow. Awesome!

Happy Offseason motherfuckers!

Bigger point is we really need playmakers, and maybe we should be more willing to work with some talented players who have these qualities while also bringing along a downside or a little baggage.

Johnny Jolly. Great, yeah, he's got the baggage, but this happened to one of Ted's guys, on Ted's watch. Koren Robinson, actually, another Ted drafted player.

I want to know why we didn't go after a badass MF like Bernard Pollard at S back in the day. Hell, I want to know why the hell Holmgren wanted Wayne Simmons off the team after helping us win SB XXXI. And, Randy Moss could have been paired with Favre if Ted really truly tried harder.

For those too young to recall, I think the Packer People jag started after the Mossy Cade train wreck, and the James Lofton fiasco. Wolf adding Rison actually fell outside of this window, and his stay was very short.

I want Ted to sign some bad ass defenders. Plain and simple. We need some talent and attitude.
steveishere  
#72 Posted : Tuesday, February 4, 2014 7:32:14 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Let me get this straight.... I said "Packer People," once, and stevie gets his undies in a twist and ruins a perfectly good thread? And this gets another, separate "Packer People" thread started?

Wow. Awesome!

Happy Offseason motherfuckers!

Bigger point is we really need playmakers, and maybe we should be more willing to work with some talented players who have these qualities while also bringing along a downside or a little baggage.

Johnny Jolly. Great, yeah, he's got the baggage, but this happened to one of Ted's guys, on Ted's watch. Koren Robinson, actually, another Ted drafted player.

I want to know why we didn't go after a badass MF like Bernard Pollard at S back in the day. Hell, I want to know why the hell Holmgren wanted Wayne Simmons off the team after helping us win SB XXXI. And, Randy Moss could have been paired with Favre if Ted really truly tried harder.

For those too young to recall, I think the Packer People jag started after the Mossy Cade train wreck, and the James Lofton fiasco. Wolf adding Rison actually fell outside of this window, and his stay was very short.

I want Ted to sign some bad ass defenders. Plain and simple. We need some talent and attitude.


Ha! All I did was ask you to prove what you were claiming and you didn't seem to like that. I don't disagree that we need more playmakers but crying about the past doesn't accomplish anything. Everyone's a genius in hindsight. Would it have been cool to draft Richard Sherman instead of Davon House heck yeah but even Seattle didn't think much of Sherman in the draft or they wouldn't have waited until the 5th round to take him.

Talent is king and we need more talent, period. Guys like Navarro Bowman, Luke Kuechly, Lavonte David aren't necessarily "bad ass" but they are awesome. Not saying to disregard someone because they have a bad attitude or whatever but it's not that important regardless of how much it gets fans fired up.
play2win  
#73 Posted : Tuesday, February 4, 2014 7:40:08 AM(UTC)
It's alright steveishere. I did back it up with the corresponding info. My point was really that I wonder if the pendulum has swung too far the other way, precluding us from landing some top talents.

Also, know that I'm not in favor of adding a bunch of criminals just to win. It is indeed a slippery slope. Ted has added a lot of good people to our roster, but we are definitely lacking some good players, at many positions.
Wade  
#74 Posted : Tuesday, February 4, 2014 5:24:05 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
What is your problem?

A half hearted attempt by Ted Thompson, to me, does not automatically translate to "trying." I guess it does to you.


Agree with this.

Thompson has had two major free agent acquisitions in his tenure as GM. Both were in 2006. That means he has had nine (about to be 10, I expect) years in which he has not made a single major free agent acquisition.

I'm not bothered by the fact that Ted missed on Lynch or that he missed on Moss or that he missed on any individual free agent acquisition. I'm not bothered by the fact that he missed one person who was a Packer person or that he missed one person because he wasn't a Packer person.

What I'm bothered by is that he has made just two free agent acquisitions that I would count as major in his entire tenure as GM, and none since 2006.

Nor is "he was in cap hell" enough of an explanation. Other teams (and not just the Snyders and Jones) have been at least as tight against the cap and found a way. And, again, it's been 9 years.

Draft and develop isn't enough. Just re-signing your own players (before or after they become free agents) isn't enough.

Not unless you are the best drafter in NFL history by a standard deviation or so.

IMO.

If he's only been able to get two substantial free agents since 2005, then either isn't trying or he isn't trying enough.

IMO.
User is suspended until 5/28/2018 11:54:40 AM(UTC) DakotaT  
#75 Posted : Tuesday, February 4, 2014 5:37:58 PM(UTC)
I don't think free agent's want to come and play in Green Bay. How many of you would take a vacation to Bismarck? Enough said!
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#76 Posted : Tuesday, February 4, 2014 6:48:05 PM(UTC)
It ain't about Green Bay climate or the Green Bay social scene or whatever. It's about MONEY #1 and WINNING #2. The huge majority of the time, the team offering the best deal financially gets the player. About the only exception would be somebody turning down a bigger offer from a chronic losing team.

In most of the examples mentioned - Lynch, Moss, etc., I actually side with Thompson in not signing them. Paying big money for a RB with a few years on him is almost never a good idea, and Moss looked like a long shot to be worthwhile to get based on his general attitude. A lot of players who fall short of being "Packer people" still might be worth the risk. Moss IMO was not.

Just the same, Thompson should have seen obvious weaknesses on the Packer team and done more to fix them - like getting a quality cover Safety this year.
play2win  
#77 Posted : Wednesday, February 5, 2014 7:26:57 AM(UTC)
Thompson should have gotten a quality cover Safety LAST YEAR! Or, maybe made a trade for one when Collins went down in 2011.

We saw the reliance on one player, Aaron Rodgers, and how that adversely affected our team this past season. It was a window to our real and true strength -or lack thereof- as a football team. I was floored by how badly we fared without him on many levels, even though I agree, any team losing their starting QB, and former NFL MVP, would suffer greatly.

I found this interesting in how a similar situation in Denver with Peyton Manning might be translating directly to our own current woes, and our standing in today's NFL:

Quote:
A MATTER OF STYLE. Doesn’t it seem that the philosophical approach to football ultimately made the difference? Denver is led by Manning. He is THE unquestioned leader of the team. He is the boss and the players are the employees. It was that way in Indy as well. How he goes, so goes his team. It was obvious the psychological effect the game had on Peyton. He was shell-shocked in his post-game interview, stammering for words, his confidence shattered. In contrast, Seattle is an 11-man team effort with interchangeable parts. Anyone can step up on any given game day. It showed once again on Sunday that football is a team sport.

—Michael, Los Angeles

I love your email. In today’s game, the best teams are the ones less reliant on a single player. In a late-season five-game stretch, Seattle’s offense averaged just 20 points a game and was totally reliant on the defense. But we see how much they were helped by Russell Wilson coming up as big as he did in this game. Conversely, if Peyton Manning and his protection have a bad day, there’s a good chance it’s lights-out for Denver. Good points by you.
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/...wks-super-bowl-xlviii/2/

Great observation, very similar to what our Packers team is facing currently with Rodgers.

Point is, at this stage we are WAY more like the DEN team who got their asses handed to them than we are the SEA who gave them the beat down. We have SO MANY HOLES on our team to address, especially on defense. Currently, we are in dire need of upgrades at FS, SS, OLB, ILB, NT, DE and possibly TE and WR, maybe even CB if we can't get the Shields deal done.

I was pretty happy to see Mike Daniels comments the other day about assuming more of a leadership role. We need more of that. Take some of the emphasis off of Rodgers being the end all for this team, and get some super talents all across the board to make a real, winning "team." It is time to add at least one premiere talent at any of those positions on D, and work to fill out the rest of our roster with upgrades, as opposed to sticking with some of our own who haven't been getting the job done. It would be nice to see the team leadership expand to other areas of our Packers team other than QB.

Leadership has been a problem in GB. When your trusted veteran CB, Tramon Williams, comes out publicly to state this after the season's end, maybe it is time to start listening. Add some quality, proven vets Ted. I found it really odd that we were in some games after Rodgers went down, except for our defense tanking. How the hell does Rodgers going down correlate to such a swift downfall in our defense? Well, pretty much the same way Peyton being flustered in the SB against SEA brought their entire team down. Too heavy a reliance on one player.

Figuring Ted likes to stick solely to the draft, I would be hard pressed to see us returning to another SB and winning for at least a few years, knowing many important players we've added in the last few drafts are slipping in their development (Burnett, Perry, House, Hayward, Worthy to name a few), and it will take time for new draftees to develop enough to make the significant contributions we have been lacking, needing to truly compete.
Zero2Cool  
#78 Posted : Wednesday, February 5, 2014 7:56:41 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Thompson should have gotten a quality cover Safety LAST YEAR! Or, maybe made a trade for one when Collins went down in 2011.


I know right! I mean, WTF, why didn't he go to "Safeties 'R Us" and fix that because quality safeties are a dime a dozen, ya know!!
play2win  
#79 Posted : Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:17:08 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I know right! I mean, WTF, why didn't he go to "Safeties 'R Us" and fix that because quality safeties are a dime a dozen, ya know!!


That's funny. But, the reality was Collins was a Pro Bowl Safety. Morgan Burnett was seeing his first real action after sitting out most of the 2010 with a knee injury. That left Charlie Peprah. Our depth chart at Safety literally listed Burnett, Collins and Peprah.

So, laugh all you want about there being some kind of shopping center for Pro Bowl Safeties, but losing a player as important to the team as Collins, in September (trade deadline that year was Oct 18th, 2011)… Ted had enough time to try to work a deal or sign another player, especially knowing we are primed to make another SB run. Without a player like Collins, we were significantly less primed, with just two safeties remaining on the roster, Peprah and Burnett.

Moving Woodson to Safety, coming off a broken collar bone, and removing him from his CB slot where he gained DPOY honors didn't make a ton of sense to me, but it certainly was a cheap way out.

That was some "bump in the road…"

Quote:
Collins waved to the crowd while being wheeled off the field.

"He's on pace to potentially have a Hall of Fame career here," McCarthy said. "Hopefully, this is just a bump in the road. We're going to miss him."

Peprah says he's taking the same approach as he did stepping in for Burnett last year.

"They're expecting me to go in and have no drop-off," Peprah said. "I'm going to go in and do the best I can, and hopefully that will be more than enough to get back to where we were last year."
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6993319/nick-collins-green-bay-packers-season-neck-injury

3 years later, we are still jolted by that bump in the road.
steveishere  
#80 Posted : Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:51:54 AM(UTC)
Considering Woodson had fallen off as a CB and is now currently still playing safety I'd say it made plenty of sense. It's not like we were lacking at the slot CB in 2012 with Hayward.
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