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Online Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 8:47:31 AM(UTC)
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Something "tightwad" Ted Thompson wouldn't ever let happen. Be thank fans, be thankful.
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#2 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 8:59:51 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Something "tightwad" Ted Thompson wouldn't ever let happen. Be thank fans, be thankful.


It will be interesting to see if they can keep most of the team together. There are some players due a raise. Off hand, not sure what options they have to restructure some deals to create some space.

For anyone that does leave, how will they do replacing them? You look at a team like the patriots who have sustained a level of success for over a decade and that is one thing they've done very well.
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#3 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 9:04:17 AM(UTC)
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Don't forget too, their starting QB is now a Super Bowl winning franchise QB. Those guys get pretty hefty raises from what I hear.
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#4 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 9:06:29 AM(UTC)
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Cut the 8-million dollar Sidney Rice.

He has not done squat.

Avril and Bennett were one year deals too.


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#5 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 9:26:50 AM(UTC)
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Next year is when the rubber really hits the road for Seattle's cap. Both Russell Wilson and Richard Sherman will be up, but until then, they've got another year to keep them on the cap friendly terms of their original deals.

John Schneider will have his work cut out for him.

Look at all the talent they brought in within the last 3 years… especially last year alone. It is amazing, and it paid off with the SB win. I kind of wish Ted would take more chances like they did to push his team over the hump. Another Lombardi Trophy for the Packers would have made it worthwhile these last 3 seasons, even if we would have had to purge the roster a bit afterwards.

I don't think it can be done through the draft alone. I just don't.
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#6 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 9:47:26 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Laser Gunns Go to Quoted Post
Cut the 8-million dollar Sidney Rice.

He has not done squat.

Avril and Bennett were one year deals too.


Cliff Avril:
3/13/2013: Signed a two-year, $13 million contract. The deal included a $4.5 million signing bonus. Another $1.4 million is available through incentives. 2013: $1.5 million, 2014: $7 million, 2015: Free Agent


Michael Bennett:
2014: Free Agent



I think the coaches in Seattle just know how to get more out of their players. Didn't they lose their defensive coordinator a head coaching position and follow that up with having the best defense (in points allowed) in the NFL? Then they basically dismantle the Broncos who had the best scoring offense in the NFL ... HISTORY.


I say it's more about the coaches than the players. Perhaps the GM there knows how to get players that fit his coaches scheme?

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#7 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 10:49:16 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Cliff Avril:
3/13/2013: Signed a two-year, $13 million contract. The deal included a $4.5 million signing bonus. Another $1.4 million is available through incentives. 2013: $1.5 million, 2014: $7 million, 2015: Free Agent


Michael Bennett:
2014: Free Agent



I think the coaches in Seattle just know how to get more out of their players. Didn't they lose their defensive coordinator a head coaching position and follow that up with having the best defense (in points allowed) in the NFL? Then they basically dismantle the Broncos who had the best scoring offense in the NFL ... HISTORY.


I say it's more about the coaches than the players. Perhaps the GM there knows how to get players that fit his coaches scheme?



I agree that their coaching staff is looking like a better coaching staff. All of it together makes it go, not just one aspect. I think Schneider is a great personnel man, and he filled his roster out well with dynamic players. Starting CB Byron Maxwell was a 6th round pick in 2011. SS Earl Thomas a 1st round pick in 2010. FS Kam Chancellor a 5th round pick in 2010. CB Richard Sherman a 5th round pick in 2011. That secondary is exceptional, very near the epitome of a great NFL secondary. Their LBs are remarkable. SB MVP OLB Malcolm Smith was a 7th round pick in 2011. And Schneider popped back to back OLB Bruce Irvin R1 and MLB Bobby Wagner R2 in 2012. Masterful drafting, including 2 R1s LT Okung 2010, LG Carpenter 2011 and an R2 C Unger 2009). He also added some top talents (Clemons, Bennet and Avril) via FA on both sides of the ball (Harvin, Lynch, Giacomini). And, yes, their coaching staff is looking like they know what the hell they are doing out there. Unlike ours on so many occasions…

That Seattle team is well built, with top talents at many positions, and well coached. The teacher, Thompson, could learn a few things from the pupil, Schneider.
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#8 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:06:39 AM(UTC)
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This is the one place where I think Ted has missed opportunity. I think you can build a team through the draft, and build young experienced youth like we have had for a number of years, But I think once in a while you need to go for it even if you hurt next year or two's salary cap in doing so. I mean isn't that what draft and develop and drafting the BPA is suppose to provide you with. A talented team of young still cheap players so you have the ability to spend, to fill the holes that didnt' get filled through the draft.

I don't think this is the year to do it though. I think this is the year to make big moves in the draft, getting better quality and less quantity, and maybe next year will only have a couple needs that can be filled through FA.

If we keep on the path we are on, we may have a playoff contending team every year but I don't think we are going to have a SB contending team. I would rather go all in and have to do a small rebuild for a year or two than just be a play off team all the time.
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#9 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:24:19 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
This is the one place where I think Ted has missed opportunity. I think you can build a team through the draft, and build young experienced youth like we have had for a number of years, But I think once in a while you need to go for it even if you hurt next year or two's salary cap in doing so. I mean isn't that what draft and develop and drafting the BPA is suppose to provide you with. A talented team of young still cheap players so you have the ability to spend, to fill the holes that didnt' get filled through the draft.

I don't think this is the year to do it though. I think this is the year to make big moves in the draft, getting better quality and less quantity, and maybe next year will only have a couple needs that can be filled through FA.

If we keep on the path we are on, we may have a playoff contending team every year but I don't think we are going to have a SB contending team. I would rather go all in and have to do a small rebuild for a year or two than just be a play off team all the time.


I couldn't agree more PackFanWithTwins. I do think that we are now going to have to open a new window, and maybe Ted adds a top FA or two to even out his years of neglect there.

I think back to the disappointment Charles Woodson displayed in the press after SEA signed Marshawn Lynch. We really could have used him back then. Might have won back to back SBs…. or more…

That's in the past, and now we have Eddie Lacy, along with Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson and crew. That is an explosive offense. Load up that defense, and I like our chances next season.
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#10 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:38:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
I couldn't agree more PackFanWithTwins. I do think that we are now going to have to open a new window, and maybe Ted adds a top FA or two to even out his years of neglect there.

I think back to the disappointment Charles Woodson displayed in the press after SEA signed Marshawn Lynch. We really could have used him back then. Might have won back to back SBs…. or more…

That's in the past, and now we have Eddie Lacy, along with Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson and crew. That is an explosive offense. Load up that defense, and I like our chances next season.


Woodson was also vocal about the Packers pursuing Namdi Asomugha who is no longer in the league. I don't see how Lynch was the missing piece the last few years, the defense has continually been the weak link.


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#11 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:38:25 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Next year is when the rubber really hits the road for Seattle's cap. Both Russell Wilson and Richard Sherman will be up, but until then, they've got another year to keep them on the cap friendly terms of their original deals.

John Schneider will have his work cut out for him.

Look at all the talent they brought in within the last 3 years… especially last year alone. It is amazing, and it paid off with the SB win. I kind of wish Ted would take more chances like they did to push his team over the hump. Another Lombardi Trophy for the Packers would have made it worthwhile these last 3 seasons, even if we would have had to purge the roster a bit afterwards.

I don't think it can be done through the draft alone. I just don't.


While I also wish Ted would take a few more chances now and then I must say that Ted has been limited in what he was able to do a little more also. Seattle has one thing Ted has never had the benefit of having. A cheap QB. Having your QB on the 2nd year of a 3rd rounder rookie contract is a lot of money that can be spent on FA. They wouldn't have probably 1/2 of the FA they have if they had to pay real starting QB salaries.

It has been really nice to go from a HOF QB to what appears to be another HOF QB but that privileged has come at the expense of what can be done in the FA market.
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#12 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:43:39 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
While I also wish Ted would take a few more chances now and then I must say that Ted has been limited in what he was able to do a little more also. Seattle has one thing Ted has never had the benefit of having. A cheap QB. Having your QB on the 2nd year of a 3rd rounder rookie contract is a lot of money that can be spent on FA. They wouldn't have probably 1/2 of the FA they have if they had to pay real starting QB salaries.

It has been really nice to go from a HOF QB to what appears to be another HOF QB but that privileged has come at the expense of what can be done in the FA market.


You're absolutely right. However, there are other opportunities missed before Rodgers signed his giant contract last season.

It is a difficult endeavor to build on that kind of success. We now have Rodgers and Matthews signed to their deals, and new ones coming in for Nelson and Cobb, amongst others.

I'm pretty much saying our window was 2011-12. The game is now changed in GB on this level. You're absolutely right. But, we can add top talent. It is just going to require some better, and more difficult decision making.
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#13 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:52:59 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
While I also wish Ted would take a few more chances now and then I must say that Ted has been limited in what he was able to do a little more also. Seattle has one thing Ted has never had the benefit of having. A cheap QB. Having your QB on the 2nd year of a 3rd rounder rookie contract is a lot of money that can be spent on FA. They wouldn't have probably 1/2 of the FA they have if they had to pay real starting QB salaries.

It has been really nice to go from a HOF QB to what appears to be another HOF QB but that privileged has come at the expense of what can be done in the FA market.


Exactly, Seattle has been extremely fortunate to find very cheap labor with Sherman, Wilson, even Thomas I think is at 5mil/year.

With that said, they've got almost 20 million wrapped up in Rice/Harvin who have been virtually useless to them. Schneider still deserves the credit because even with those missteps he's found competent receivers and depth across the roster to field a great team.

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#14 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:53:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
You're absolutely right. However, there are other opportunities missed before Rodgers signed his giant contract last season.

It is a difficult endeavor to build on that kind of success. We now have Rodgers and Matthews signed to their deals, and new ones coming in for Nelson and Cobb, amongst others.

I'm pretty much saying our window was 2011-12. The game is now changed in GB on this level. You're absolutely right. But, we can add top talent. It is just going to require some better, and more difficult decision making.


Rodgers last contract wasn't small, We go a deal, but he wasn't underpaid by any means so we were still strapped somewhat. I was saying the year before Brees got his deal, how much of an advantage it was at that point for the packers and saints to have QBs making 7-8 million rather than the 17 that Brady and Peyton were getting. Now we are on the other end of that.

Now that we have Rodgers and Clay locked up draft picks and street FA must produce in order for us to have the space and ability to make that push.
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#15 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 12:42:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
I would rather go all in and have to do a small rebuild for a year or two than just be a play off team all the time.


Really? That's like Tom Brady saying that looks aren't important in a spouse. Your perspective is skewed because we have been in the playoffs for an extended period.

If you make it to the playoffs, you can win a Super Bowl. If you don't, you're just a guaranteed loser.

This is the first time in forever that the best 2 teams played in the Super Bowl. Last year's Ravens were probably not the best team in the league. But they were in the playoffs. In 2011, the Giants sure weren't the best team in NFL, but they won the Super Bowl.

Quick. Which Packer team was better: 2010 or 2011? 2011 clearly, in my opinion. But 2010 won the Super Bowl, 2011 didn't. 2010 was the #6 seed. So they barely got into playoffs. But they got hot and won it all.

It might have been 1985, when Whitey Herzog said something along the lines of "I wouldn't mind losing the World Series every year. Because that means I at least got here." That's what I want. Get me to the playoffs every year. If we weren't so spoiled, more Packer fans would want that too.
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#16 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 1:02:17 PM(UTC)
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Really? That's like Tom Brady saying that looks aren't important in a spouse. Your perspective is skewed because we have been in the playoffs for an extended period.

If you make it to the playoffs, you can win a Super Bowl. If you don't, you're just a guaranteed loser.

This is the first time in forever that the best 2 teams played in the Super Bowl. Last year's Ravens were probably not the best team in the league. But they were in the playoffs. In 2011, the Giants sure weren't the best team in NFL, but they won the Super Bowl.

Quick. Which Packer team was better: 2010 or 2011? 2011 clearly, in my opinion. But 2010 won the Super Bowl, 2011 didn't. 2010 was the #6 seed. So they barely got into playoffs. But they got hot and won it all.

It might have been 1985, when Whitey Herzog said something along the lines of "I wouldn't mind losing the World Series every year. Because that means I at least got here." That's what I want. Get me to the playoffs every year. If we weren't so spoiled, more Packer fans would want that too.


We have been consistently to the playoffs, and we don't take it for granted, we are able to see what could potentially be if we made a couple FA moves every few years to give us that extra push. And doing so, with good draft and develop does not mean we would not have a chance at the playoffs on the other years as well it just means at those times we are giving it the extra effort to try for the SB.

2010 was the better team, it just faced much more adversity during the season. The team was only the 6th seed because of the injuries in the early middle parts of the season especially to Finley which caused the offense to need to be changed because of the amount of focus they planned with him that year.
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#17 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 1:25:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: musccy Go to Quoted Post
Exactly, Seattle has been extremely fortunate to find very cheap labor with Sherman, Wilson, even Thomas I think is at 5mil/year.





with how many good players they have on the cheap. it's not luck.

they draft and coach damn well.


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#18 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 1:43:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Laser Gunns Go to Quoted Post
with how many good players they have on the cheap. it's not luck.

they draft and coach damn well.


Yeah, a remarkable job by that entire organization.
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#19 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 5:40:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Laser Gunns Go to Quoted Post
with how many good players they have on the cheap. it's not luck.

they draft and coach damn well.


You're right. I've said that in other posts, just not this one. They're very fortunate to currently be paying All Pros and pro bowlers bargain basement prices, but that's due to the fact that they've drafted extraordinarily well.

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#20 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 9:14:18 PM(UTC)
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Quick. Which Packer team was better: 2010 or 2011? 2011 clearly, in my opinion. But 2010 won the Super Bowl, 2011 didn't. 2010 was the #6 seed. So they barely got into playoffs. But they got hot and won it all.



The Giants got hot. The 2010 Packers team did not. They just finally started playing to their capabilities. There is a difference.

People don't realize how good that 2010 team was
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#21 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 10:11:03 PM(UTC)
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The Giants got hot. The 2010 Packers team did not. They just finally started playing to their capabilities. There is a difference.

People don't realize how good that 2010 team was


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EDIT: I think I have some years mixed up


Though, personally, I think the 07' team was even better.

Harris, Wood, T-wil
Collins, Bigby?
Kampman Wub Jenkins, c. Williams, Jolly, KGB.


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#22 Posted : Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:13:48 AM(UTC)
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Guess I didn't realize how many posters live in CO and are taking advantage of legal Marijuana. 2010 better than 2011? 2010 overcame more. They won the Super Bowl. But they were not better than 2011. 2011 was one of the best regular season teams in history. 15-1? 2010 had half the team on IR. 2011 was a fine tuned machine.

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#23 Posted : Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:52:41 AM(UTC)
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The Giants got hot. The 2010 Packers team did not. They just finally started playing to their capabilities. There is a difference.

People don't realize how good that 2010 team was


Interesting. I can buy some of that. It was a hell of a loaded team at the time.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:54:15 AM(UTC)
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Guess I didn't realize how many posters live in CO and are taking advantage of legal Marijuana. 2010 better than 2011? 2010 overcame more. They won the Super Bowl. But they were not better than 2011. 2011 was one of the best regular season teams in history. 15-1? 2010 had half the team on IR. 2011 was a fine tuned machine.



Not defensively. Not at all. That D plummeted to the bottom of the NFL rankings.
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, February 4, 2014 9:43:22 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
Guess I didn't realize how many posters live in CO and are taking advantage of legal Marijuana. 2010 better than 2011? 2010 overcame more. They won the Super Bowl. But they were not better than 2011. 2011 was one of the best regular season teams in history. 15-1? 2010 had half the team on IR. 2011 was a fine tuned machine.



The offense was. The defense was terrible.

they were 19th in rush defense 111 yards a game.
32nd in pass defense 300 yards
32nd total defense 411 yards
19th in points allowed
26th in 3rd down conversions allowed at 43%

That defense would have been hard pressed to finish 6-10.
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