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Offline nerdmann  
#46 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:48:41 AM(UTC)
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Fuck the Seattle Seahawks.

Any D can look good, once you're stealing the QBs signals.
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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#47 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 8:32:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Fuck the Seattle Seahawks.

Any D can look good, once you're stealing the QBs signals.


I would like to see what would happen to Sherman and the rest of Seattle secondary if they had a dline that couldn't get pressure. It is a lot easier to jam WR when you know you don't have to cover for more than 3 seconds. Do that with a line that cannot get after the QB and the same secondary will get shredded.
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Offline QCHuskerFan  
#48 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 8:34:30 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
Sigh. QC the last time I checked there were 3 parts to a team. Offense, defense and special teams.

A team can be 15-1 and that is due almost exclusively to the efforts of their offense. The Bears in 2006 made it to the SB based on their defense and ST. They won some games without the offense even getting a TD.

The 2011 Packers defense was subpar. It takes more than just one area (you mentioned Seattle's pass defense) to make the whole unit poor. GB was poor across the board.

Seattle has the #1 defense in fewest yards allowed.
They led the league in interceptions.
They had 39 turnovers which at a glance looks like they led the league in that category too.
They were #7 in rush defense.

AND

I have no idea where you got your numbers but they were #1 in pass defense. They gave up a mere 172 yards per game. Next closest was NO ate 194 yards a game.


If you quit 'sighing' and actually read, I believe I said that Seattle had the #26 pass OFFENSE. Since a phase of their game was bad, obviously they are not a good team and will be returning the Trophy.

News Flash- The NFL announced that they will no longer be seeding the playoffs based on record. They will instead pick the most balanced teams and include them in the playoffs, without regard for whether the teams actually won any games. Roger Goodell said " Obviously, by using actual wins and losses, great, blanced teams such as the Cowboys continually fail to reach the playoffs, while 1 dimensional teams such as Green Bay and Denver, do. In an effort to level the playing field, we will do away with records and focus on what teams feel best about themselves."

The 49ers had the #24 ranked total offense this year. Guess they weren't a good team at all.
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Offline play2win  
#49 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 8:34:56 AM(UTC)
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If they cracked Manning's hand signals code through diligent film study, more power to them.
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Offline QCHuskerFan  
#50 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 8:37:58 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 Go to Quoted Post
Definitely. With the way things are now its almost impossible to form a dynasty.


I would make the argument that the Packers are currently a dynasty. 5 straight years in the playoffs, including a Super Bowl Championship. Best record in the league in 2011. MVP still in his prime.

In today's salary capped league, that's about as good as you can hope for a dynasty. Another year in playoffs and another Super Bowl (2015!) and it's not even arguable. In my opinion.
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Offline nerdmann  
#51 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 8:56:47 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
I would make the argument that the Packers are currently a dynasty. 5 straight years in the playoffs, including a Super Bowl Championship. Best record in the league in 2011. MVP still in his prime.

In today's salary capped league, that's about as good as you can hope for a dynasty. Another year in playoffs and another Super Bowl (2015!) and it's not even arguable. In my opinion.


Gotta win at least TWO to be a dynasty.

Just one, and you're a fart in the wind.
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Offline play2win  
#52 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 9:31:45 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
I would make the argument that the Packers are currently a dynasty. 5 straight years in the playoffs, including a Super Bowl Championship. Best record in the league in 2011. MVP still in his prime.

In today's salary capped league, that's about as good as you can hope for a dynasty. Another year in playoffs and another Super Bowl (2015!) and it's not even arguable. In my opinion.


When Mike McCarthy's team gets 3 Superbowl wins, then I would consider the Packers a dynasty. I really believe that is what it would take, that magic number of 3 or more.

Making the playoffs however many years is all well and good, but the only measure of "dynasty" is SB wins IMO. Anything less than winning the whole enchilada just doesn't fit the equation.

The Packers were a dynasty. The Steelers were. The 49ers were. The Cowboys were. The Patriots were. The Packers could have been and should have been again in the Holmgren years, extending to the Sherman years. Never happened though. The Steelers came close to having another dynasty, but they won just the two with Roethlesburger. That's my line of thinking on dynasties. Giants almost got there and still might. Seattle looks primed for a dynasty run if they play their cards right.
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Offline cheeseheads123  
#53 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 10:40:19 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
If you quit 'sighing' and actually read, I believe I said that Seattle had the #26 pass OFFENSE. Since a phase of their game was bad, obviously they are not a good team and will be returning the Trophy.

News Flash- The NFL announced that they will no longer be seeding the playoffs based on record. They will instead pick the most balanced teams and include them in the playoffs, without regard for whether the teams actually won any games. Roger Goodell said " Obviously, by using actual wins and losses, great, blanced teams such as the Cowboys continually fail to reach the playoffs, while 1 dimensional teams such as Green Bay and Denver, do. In an effort to level the playing field, we will do away with records and focus on what teams feel best about themselves."

The 49ers had the #24 ranked total offense this year. Guess they weren't a good team at all.


There is more to an offense than passing. Seattle was ranked 7 in points per possession on offense. That is damn good. It doesn't matter how they score points as long as they are scoring points.


You and I must have a different definition of balanced. The cowboys are not a balanced team. They had a terrible defense.


2011 Packers

Offense: 2.85 points per possession good for 2nd in the league
Defense: 1.89 points per possession good for 23rd in the league.

2010 Packers

Offense:1.97 ranked 8th in the league
Defense: 1.24 ranked 2nd in the league

2013 Seahawks

Offense:2.12 ranked 7th
Defense: 1.17 ranked 1st

Not to mention that Steelers team the Packers played in the Super bowl in the 2010 had identical stats as the 2010 Packers.



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Offline QCHuskerFan  
#54 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 11:06:43 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 Go to Quoted Post


You and I must have a different definition of balanced. The cowboys are not a balanced team. They had a terrible defense.




Actually, the Cowboys are very balanced. They choke on both offense and defense!

My comment was meant as a criticism of the NFL making decisions to benefit the big market teams. It was not serious. Even the NFL respects the value of actually winning games.

For the final time: I am not arguing that the 2010 team was not good. I am saying that the 2011 team was better. Because they actually won games instead of posting stats. Ok. Their defense was not as good. But they won games. That is all that matters. Go to Vegas. They don't refund your bet if your team loses but it's stats are good. Wins matter.

2010 was reeling early in the year with injuries. Then they stabilized and started winning. It's infectious and they got on a roll. So if you ignore the first 2 months of the season, they were a great team. But you can't choose to ignore half the season.

Sentimentally, the 2010 season was great. It was probably my favorite. That team overcame a lot and their late season run was amazing. But you can't lose 6 games and be a great team.

I'm done.
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Offline texaspackerbacker  
#55 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 1:04:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
I would make the argument that the Packers are currently a dynasty. 5 straight years in the playoffs, including a Super Bowl Championship. Best record in the league in 2011. MVP still in his prime.

In today's salary capped league, that's about as good as you can hope for a dynasty. Another year in playoffs and another Super Bowl (2015!) and it's not even arguable. In my opinion.


The Packers ARE a dynasty or close to it anyway by staying so close to the top for so long.

We got hurt by injuries and other forms of bad luck, and we have a GM who has not done what it takes to make the team even better, but we have the greatest QB possibly in NFL history - following a decade and a half of having arguably the greatest in history until Rodgers came along. That alone is dynastic. If we had just added a little bit more - which was well within the team's financial ability to do, we coulda/woulda/shoulda won a lot more SBs.

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Offline nerdmann  
#56 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 4:39:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
If they cracked Manning's hand signals code through diligent film study, more power to them.


This is true, but it would make them look "more talented" than they are.

Fuck them. Overrated.
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Offline Wade  
#57 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:15:10 PM(UTC)
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Dynasties don't merely make the playoffs. They contend for titles for multiple years. They win substantially more playoff games than they lose.

One-and-done is the sign of a reasonably good team. It is not the sign of a dynasty.

The current Packers team doesn't qualify. And merely making the playoffs for one game next year wont make them a dynasty either.

IMNSHO.
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Offline nerdmann  
#58 Posted : Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:20:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
Dynasties don't merely make the playoffs. They contend for titles for multiple years. They win substantially more playoff games than they lose.

One-and-done is the sign of a reasonably good team. It is not the sign of a dynasty.

The current Packers team doesn't qualify. And merely making the playoffs for one game next year wont make them a dynasty either.

IMNSHO.


At least they weren't completely humiliated this year. lol
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