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Offline Wade  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, February 11, 2014 7:35:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: El3ment12 Go to Quoted Post
Is it even possible for us to do something THAT stupid?


Well, they did sign Brad Jones last year to a deal I was amazed by.

None of the above. It wouldn't have been a wasted vote. Obama and Romney -- Those were the wasted votes.
Offline Wade  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:11:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Brad Jones can cover. He's also got versatility to play OLB if needed. This staff LOVES versatility.


IMO he is versatile in his mediocrity only.

He's serviceable as a backup. He isn't what I want in a starter linebacker. On the other hand, I grew up watching a team whose weakest starting LB was Lee Roy Caffey. Whose weakest starting DL was Bob Brown. Whose weakest starting DB was Dom Brown.

If the Packers had the 2014 equivalent of Caffey, Brown, and Brown quality at all defensive positions, with no Hall of Famer/All Pro types at all, they'd be head and shoulders above the current Packer defense in putting fear into the minds of opposing teams.

One could say the same thing of an OL whose starting players were no better than the 2014 equivalent of Bob Skoronski.

That's why I bitch so much. Forget about all the Hall of Famers. The current OL and defense are, IMO not up to the standards of the weaker parts of the Lombardi era teams.

IMO.


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Offline DakotaT  
#18 Posted : Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:29:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
IMO he is versatile in his mediocrity only.

He's serviceable as a backup. He isn't what I want in a starter linebacker. On the other hand, I grew up watching a team whose weakest starting LB was Lee Roy Caffey. Whose weakest starting DL was Bob Brown. Whose weakest starting DB was Dom Brown.

If the Packers had the 2014 equivalent of Caffey, Brown, and Brown quality at all defensive positions, with no Hall of Famer/All Pro types at all, they'd be head and shoulders above the current Packer defense in putting fear into the minds of opposing teams.

One could say the same thing of an OL whose starting players were no better than the 2014 equivalent of Bob Skoronski.

That's why I bitch so much. Forget about all the Hall of Famers. The current OL and defense are, IMO not up to the standards of the weaker parts of the Lombardi era teams.

IMO.





Shut up old man, I don't remember any of those jabronies and I'm getting ancient too. Rolling On The Floor Laughing

We only have 4 or 5 top 100 players on our team. Time for another good draft.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:07:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
IMO he is versatile in his mediocrity only.

He's serviceable as a backup. He isn't what I want in a starter linebacker. On the other hand, I grew up watching a team whose weakest starting LB was Lee Roy Caffey. Whose weakest starting DL was Bob Brown. Whose weakest starting DB was Dom Brown.

If the Packers had the 2014 equivalent of Caffey, Brown, and Brown quality at all defensive positions, with no Hall of Famer/All Pro types at all, they'd be head and shoulders above the current Packer defense in putting fear into the minds of opposing teams.

One could say the same thing of an OL whose starting players were no better than the 2014 equivalent of Bob Skoronski.

That's why I bitch so much. Forget about all the Hall of Famers. The current OL and defense are, IMO not up to the standards of the weaker parts of the Lombardi era teams.

IMO.



Nice Blast from the Past.

I tend to agree with you, but the Packers were kinda a bend-don't-break defense even back then - more finesse than a lot of teams. Detroit then/Detroit now - the more things change the more things stay the same, D anyway.

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Offline yooperfan  
#20 Posted : Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:52:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
IMO he is versatile in his mediocrity only.

He's serviceable as a backup. He isn't what I want in a starter linebacker. On the other hand, I grew up watching a team whose weakest starting LB was Lee Roy Caffey. Whose weakest starting DL was Bob Brown. Whose weakest starting DB was Dom Brown.

If the Packers had the 2014 equivalent of Caffey, Brown, and Brown quality at all defensive positions, with no Hall of Famer/All Pro types at all, they'd be head and shoulders above the current Packer defense in putting fear into the minds of opposing teams.

One could say the same thing of an OL whose starting players were no better than the 2014 equivalent of Bob Skoronski.

That's why I bitch so much. Forget about all the Hall of Famers. The current OL and defense are, IMO not up to the standards of the weaker parts of the Lombardi era teams.

IMO.

Excellent post.
That's right in my wheelhouse.




Offline Wade  
#21 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:48:30 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Shut up old man, I don't remember any of those jabronies and I'm getting ancient too. Rolling On The Floor Laughing

We only have 4 or 5 top 100 players on our team. Time for another good draft.


That's part of the point. Even the guys that "no one remembers" (except old guys like yooper and I) on the Lombardi-era team were at a higher quality level than today's Packer defense.
When you're worse than a team with no memorable names, you're not very good.

Promising you'll be better, when it looks like you're relying on the same worse-than-less-than-memorable-old-fart-teams, is a hollow sort of promise.

It might happen. But I'm not holding my breath.

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#22 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 7:09:09 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Shut up old man, I don't remember any of those jabronies and I'm getting ancient too. Rolling On The Floor Laughing

We only have 4 or 5 top 100 players on our team. Time for another good draft.


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Offline musccy  
#23 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:24:21 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post


We only have 4 or 5 top 100 players on our team. Time for another good draft.


100 players / 32 teams = 3.125, so we're above the avg. then.

On offense I think many will agree we're not far off, or at least have an offense that isn't holding the team back from succeeding.

As for the defense, this is a bit of a SSALY wishful thinking from a fan, but there is some young talent that should be able to either develop or get healthy over the offseason. Worthy, Hayward, D. Jones, and Boyd all come to mind. We saw the leap Daniels made in year two, and although it doesn't guarantee those four will, it does offer reason to be optimistic. Texas and I are apparently glass half full people when it comes to the youth on this defense, but I agree that the team, specifically the D, is closer than we realize if we can just get a little more help at safety and LB.



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Offline texaspackerbacker  
#24 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 12:21:05 PM(UTC)
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It would be interesting to know how they judge "top 100" - past performance - how recent?, potential - according to ?, wild guess, etc.

The math notwithstanding, I'd kinda like the Packers to be farther above average than that.

Yeah, I'm fairly optimistic about our young D Linemen - just getting Raji and Pickett out of there will help, but a rotation of Daniels, Worthy, D. Jones, Boyd, and Jolly seems pretty good - maybe adding a low round gem to that. Any of those young guys could step up and be top 100.
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:54:48 PM(UTC)
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Four key defensive players won’t be back with the team in 2014. The Saints have terminated the contracts of linebacker Will Smith, cormerback Jabari Greer, and safety Roman Harper. The team also announced that linebacker Jonathan Vilma (pictured) will not be re-signed.
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