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buckeyepackfan  
#41 Posted : Saturday, February 15, 2014 8:46:36 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I don't know man. Our OL was indeed responsible for Aaron having to break out of the pocket. Moreso Bakhtiari being manhandled by Peppers, forcing Rodgers out to his right, than Barclay. There was no pocket. Peppers blew it up inside.


I don't know what play you are watching, Rodgers had no pressure on him, he did what he has done many times,(instead of throwing the ball away), he saw what he thought was a chance to extend the play by breaking the pocket, Barclay is expecting him to drop back and get rid of the ball, Peppers is nowhere near Aaron until he breaks to the right, again screwing Barclay big time.

Look Aaron scrambling has worked many times, just so happens that play he got caught trying to extend the play.

I guess Barcvlay is supposed to have eyes in the back of his head.

Whether The Packers bring EDS back or not, the rest of the line is going to be solid with plenty of depth. if they stay healthy.

I just prefer EDS back so there is no adjustments needing to be made a the center position.
play2win  
#42 Posted : Saturday, February 15, 2014 8:52:58 AM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
I don't know what play you are watching, Rodgers had no pressure on him, he did what he has done many times,(instead of throwing the ball away), he saw what he thought was a chance to extend the play by breaking the pocket, Barclay is expecting him to drop back and get rid of the ball, Peppers is nowhere near Aaron until he breaks to the right, again screwing Barclay big time.

Look Aaron scrambling has worked many times, just so happens that play he got caught trying to extend the play.

I guess Barcvlay is supposed to have eyes in the back of his head.

Whether The Packers bring EDS back or not, the rest of the line is going to be solid with plenty of depth. if they stay healthy.

I just prefer EDS back so there is no adjustments needing to be made a the center position.


I watched the same play. I guess we have a different take on what Aaron's options were on that, and why. Stop watching Barclay, as he was not at fault. Watch Bakhtiari. His failed block allowed Peppers to bust the pocket completely, forcing Aaron to his right.

Yeah, it happens. Aaron has created many a great play outside the pocket. This time is just happened to cost him half a season with a broken collar bone. But, saying the OL was not responsible ignores a failed block that forced Aaron into trouble. Right?
play2win  
#43 Posted : Saturday, February 15, 2014 9:04:44 AM(UTC)
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
Did you read what I said at all? My point about "big gap between Sitton and Lang" is the point that there are multiple levels of play. I do NOT believe we have to get Sitton level players to improve over the performance of Lang, Bulaga, et al.

There have been great offensive lines, and none of them have been All-Pros across the line. But all of them have been better, a lot better, than the Packer OL during the Thompson/McCarthy years.

I'm sorry, but the "we can't afford more" won't wash with me. Not over a nine year period. Yeah, they have a lot of money invested in Lang. They also have a lot of money invested in Brad Jones. Sometimes money is badly invested. Nine years of putting your NFL money in the Langs and Jones of the world is evidence of bad investment strategy.

The Packers may have no way of paying for improvement in the OL this year. Given the problems on defense, I won't dispute this.

But, one last time, this has not been a one year failure. This has been close to a decade of inability to put together a dominant line.

Call it being content, call it being frugal, call it being satisfied, blame it on injuries, blame it on being left in salary cap hell by Sherman, blame it on not being able to draft high enough, blame it on not coaching people up enough, call it whatever you damn want. Whatever you blame it on, the Packers have not had a dominant offensive line in the entire Ted Thompson/Mike McCarthy era.

I call it unacceptable.


I believe this is true. We haven't had a dominant OL. Not at all. Aaron's ability to get the ball out quicker than most QBs in the NFL has made whoever we've thrown out there look way better than they were. Rodgers has been one of the most sacked QBs over the last 4 or 5 years. Have to admit too, our OL has essentially been thrown together over the last 4 seasons. See what sticks to the wall...

I thought Ted should have signed Bryant McKinney last offseason as an insurance plan, since they had no real answer on the left side of the line and were once again scrambling to get it together. Had he done that, Aaron may not have blown out the collar bone… Peppers may have been blocked, allowing Rodgers to step up into the pocket.

I'd like to see some aggressive pursuit of talent by Ted for a change. We need it.

There is a ton of blame to go around, from not having the players, to injuries, to Campen's coaching, to McCarthy's slow, tepid introduction of a running game over this 4-5 years span, forcing his OL into step back pass sets absorbing the opposing DL rush instead of a balanced pass/run attack which allows our OL to tee off in run blocking.

ugh. I just hope we get this addressed. Get some players healthy. Do a better job of training and coaching and play calling.
buckeyepackfan  
#44 Posted : Saturday, February 15, 2014 9:05:53 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I watched the same play. I guess we have a different take on what Aaron's options were on that, and why. Stop watching Barclay, as he was not at fault. Watch Bakhtiari. His failed block allowed Peppers to bust the pocket completely, forcing Aaron to his right.

Yeah, it happens. Aaron has created many a great play outside the pocket. This time is just happened to cost him half a season with a broken collar bone. But, saying the OL was not responsible ignores a failed block that forced Aaron into trouble. Right?


Take a look at Boykin, he is open, the play was 3 steps get rid of the ball, it was also 3rd and 8, Aaron pulls the ball down and scrambles instead of letting it go.

Aaron got caught scrambling, probably thinking Boykin is not going to be able to get the 1st down.

play2win  
#45 Posted : Saturday, February 15, 2014 9:18:02 AM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
Take a look at Boykin, he is open, the play was 3 steps get rid of the ball, it was also 3rd and 8, Aaron pulls the ball down and scrambles instead of letting it go.

Aaron got caught scrambling, probably thinking Boykin is not going to be able to get the 1st down.



But, why are you ignoring Bakhtiari getting completely overrun by Peppers? That completely collapsed the pocket within seconds.
nerdmann  
#46 Posted : Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:12:10 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I believe this is true. We haven't had a dominant OL. Not at all. Aaron's ability to get the ball out quicker than most QBs in the NFL has made whoever we've thrown out there look way better than they were. Rodgers has been one of the most sacked QBs over the last 4 or 5 years. Have to admit too, our OL has essentially been thrown together over the last 4 seasons. See what sticks to the wall...

I thought Ted should have signed Bryant McKinney last offseason as an insurance plan, since they had no real answer on the left side of the line and were once again scrambling to get it together. Had he done that, Aaron may not have blown out the collar bone… Peppers may have been blocked, allowing Rodgers to step up into the pocket.

I'd like to see some aggressive pursuit of talent by Ted for a change. We need it.

There is a ton of blame to go around, from not having the players, to injuries, to Campen's coaching, to McCarthy's slow, tepid introduction of a running game over this 4-5 years span, forcing his OL into step back pass sets absorbing the opposing DL rush instead of a balanced pass/run attack which allows our OL to tee off in run blocking.

ugh. I just hope we get this addressed. Get some players healthy. Do a better job of training and coaching and play calling.


Yes, Aaron has the "ability" to get the ball out quicker. Unfortunately he's usually holding it, waiting for something to come open deep.
play2win  
#47 Posted : Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:37:32 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Yes, Aaron has the "ability" to get the ball out quicker. Unfortunately he's usually holding it, waiting for something to come open deep.


Well, of course! How else are you going to stat whore?

[laughing] [laughing] [laughing]
steveishere  
#48 Posted : Saturday, February 15, 2014 2:34:16 PM(UTC)
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
Did you read what I said at all? My point about "big gap between Sitton and Lang" is the point that there are multiple levels of play. I do NOT believe we have to get Sitton level players to improve over the performance of Lang, Bulaga, et al.

There have been great offensive lines, and none of them have been All-Pros across the line. But all of them have been better, a lot better, than the Packer OL during the Thompson/McCarthy years.

I'm sorry, but the "we can't afford more" won't wash with me. Not over a nine year period. Yeah, they have a lot of money invested in Lang. They also have a lot of money invested in Brad Jones. Sometimes money is badly invested. Nine years of putting your NFL money in the Langs and Jones of the world is evidence of bad investment strategy.

The Packers may have no way of paying for improvement in the OL this year. Given the problems on defense, I won't dispute this.

But, one last time, this has not been a one year failure. This has been close to a decade of inability to put together a dominant line.

Call it being content, call it being frugal, call it being satisfied, blame it on injuries, blame it on being left in salary cap hell by Sherman, blame it on not being able to draft high enough, blame it on not coaching people up enough, call it whatever you damn want. Whatever you blame it on, the Packers have not had a dominant offensive line in the entire Ted Thompson/Mike McCarthy era.

I call it unacceptable.


It's been pretty well proven you don't really need a "dominant" OL to win championships so I don't see why it's so unacceptable to not have one. Only in your world where good players suck if they aren't dominant I guess.
nerdmann  
#49 Posted : Saturday, February 15, 2014 3:07:32 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
It's been pretty well proven you don't really need a "dominant" OL to win championships so I don't see why it's so unacceptable to not have one. Only in your world where good players suck if they aren't dominant I guess.


Our 3rd, 4th and 5th Ts produced the ROY at RB.

Not too shabby.
warhawk  
#50 Posted : Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:49:07 AM(UTC)
I'm not as down on the prospects for a solid OL in 2014. With Bulaga back and possibly Sherrod finally healthy I see improved play on the outside and if they resign EDS it would mostly stay intact.
People get down on the sacks and pressures but that's what teams have to do against this team. They know, with Arod back there, they HAVE to put pressure on him. With Rodgers and the WR's teams can't beat this team with coverage schemes like they can against other offenses.

Look at the other side of this. How often does the OL handle these various pressure packages and Aaron Rodgers burns them? I think the sacks and pressures are going to be the nature of the beast for this offense. They may not win every battle but as long as they win the war.

Like I said, I think they have a good shot at improving the play on the outside whether Bulaga goes to LT or right and the pressures and sacks will drop. That has to be a scary thought for the teams they will face.
DakotaT  
#51 Posted : Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:37:11 AM(UTC)
I just want to get the best healthiest O-line on the field for a whole season, and with the emergence of Lacy, see how bad we can tear up the league. I really want to see our line look like this:

LT - Sherrod
LG - Sitton
C - EDS/Tretter
RG - Lang
RT - Bulaga

You use Bacteria and Barclay as your backups and as extra O-lineman in heavy packages. Bacteria, just might be our answer at LT, but I haven't given up on the guy we drafted in the first round for that.
play2win  
#52 Posted : Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:56:46 AM(UTC)
I sure would be great to see all of our 1st round picks stand tall and deliver for us this season, both on OL and DL/LB. 3 of the last 4 out with injuries most of if not all of 2013. Datone hardly played. Nick Perry hardly played. Neither Sherrod nor Bulaga played. What a mess. Add to that Raji kind of tanked it, and Clay was injured through much of 2013. Raji and Hawk were the only two who played the whole season, going all the way back to 2005.

wow.

We need production and availability from these players. That could go a very long way to making this a great season in 2014.
warhawk  
#53 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 3:17:57 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I sure would be great to see all of our 1st round picks stand tall and deliver for us this season, both on OL and DL/LB. 3 of the last 4 out with injuries most of if not all of 2013. Datone hardly played. Nick Perry hardly played. Neither Sherrod nor Bulaga played. What a mess. Add to that Raji kind of tanked it, and Clay was injured through much of 2013. Raji and Hawk were the only two who played the whole season, going all the way back to 2005.

wow.

We need production and availability from these players. That could go a very long way to making this a great season in 2014.


IMO this is THE most important thing for the team to see the greatest improvement. All of these former 1st round picks need to play and contribute at a high level.

People scream about the lack of FA's but in the last two years had Ted Thompson done the opposite of what he does and grabbed FA's and as many of those had gotten hurt as all these high picks we would be no better, or worse off, then they are now.

You can earmark your core players however you want. The guys you draft early and pay a lot of money too or whether they come through FA and you pay them. If they ain't on the field your team is not going to function at the level it should.



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