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Offline texaspackerbacker  
#26 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 10:00:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
yes I know but you don't give $9 mil in a bonus and then pay only $1 mil in year 1.

just to use Joe Haden as an example again he got a signing bonus of $12 back in 2010. $26 mil of his $50 mil contract was guaranteed. Yes he was a 1st round pick. That makes a difference too.


Yes you do. That's the way the game is played. He doesn't need a big salary the first year because he has the bonus. If $9 million bonus/$10 million guaranteed is too low, make the bonus bigger. Assuming the contract averages out to $6 million a year or near that, the bigger bonus just benefits the cap in the early years.

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#27 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 10:17:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
What exactly are you trying to say with the $730,000 thing? How is that relevant to what I said?

Sschind, yeah, 6 years may be a bit much, but 5 is just one more than 4 (I think even Dakota can't argue that hahaha). Shields certainly ought to be good for 5 years, and in the 6th, he could easily be cut if he wasn't worth $7 million.



no player who has been in the NFL for 4 years can earn less than $730,000. It is the minimum salary agreed to by the owners and player union.

That salary is not typically what a starter earns. That is for the 40th-53rd type of players.

In 2014 a rookie can earn no less than $420,000.
1st year players $495,000.
2nd yr players $570,000.
3rd yr $645,000
4th-6th yr $730,000
7-9th $855,000
10 or years $955,000.

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Therefore regardless of the signing bonus paying Sam $1 mil would be a pretty big insult. Unrealistically I suppose he would accept it if he was giving a signing bonus of $50 million. But certainly not $9 million.
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#28 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:47:34 AM(UTC)
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Hope they keep shields for a reasonable price ... He is much better then I thought he would be ... remember when he was a rookie trying out. Almost thought he would turn out like a underwood (still no idea why he was on our team to begin with)

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#29 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:07:46 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
no player who has been in the NFL for 4 years can earn less than $730,000. It is the minimum salary agreed to by the owners and player union.

That salary is not typically what a starter earns. That is for the 40th-53rd type of players.

In 2014 a rookie can earn no less than $420,000.
1st year players $495,000.
2nd yr players $570,000.
3rd yr $645,000
4th-6th yr $730,000
7-9th $855,000
10 or years $955,000.

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Therefore regardless of the signing bonus paying Sam $1 mil would be a pretty big insult. Unrealistically I suppose he would accept it if he was giving a signing bonus of $50 million. But certainly not $9 million.


I just don't see how what you say applies here. In effect, Shields would be getting $10 million the first year/$13 million the first two years according to what I outlined. I can see, like Sschind said, even that being not quite enough, but you can't just ignore the bonus and say the low first year salary is an insult. They do contracts like that all the time.

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#30 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:19:16 PM(UTC)
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PFT is reporting the Cap could be higher than 132 million when it is announced. This would certainly help us out :)
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#31 Posted : Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:54:13 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post


Sschind, yeah, 6 years may be a bit much, but 5 is just one more than 4 (I think even Dakota can't argue that hahaha).



If he thinks it will serve his purpose you can be damned sure he will try.

I respect your right to have your opinion but that doesn't mean I agree with it or respect you for having it.
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#32 Posted : Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:37:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
If he thinks it will serve his purpose you can be damned sure he will try.



You're not insinuating I like to argue? Hell, I thought everyone was forewarned about that in the signup process when joining this place. Probably not in your best interest to call me stupid, at least until you build up a rapport with me first.
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#33 Posted : Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:42:03 PM(UTC)
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If he thinks it will serve his purpose you can be damned sure he will try.



I cordially invite you to join me in routinely kicking Dakota's lame ass in the Back Alley. Apply some of your Packer logic to politics.

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#34 Posted : Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:49:58 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
I cordially invite you to join me in routinely kicking Dakota's lame ass in the Back Alley. Apply some of your Packer logic to politics.



You couldn't kick my ass if I spotted you a cheek and the foot. Just keep babbling your same nonsense and maybe you'll convince yourself some day that you make sense. Rolling Eyes
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#35 Posted : Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:19:19 PM(UTC)
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#36 Posted : Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:55:09 PM(UTC)
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Hi Jacked!


There's 20 other threads - this one was dead anyway.
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#37 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 6:00:08 AM(UTC)
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I sure hope that Riley Cooper deal doesn't somehow effect Sam Shields. If a marginal player can get $5 million per year, Shields is probably gonna have to re-evaluate what he wants and most likely hit the $8 to $10 million per year range.

Then again, the Eagles have to pay people extra to play on that crap team.
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#38 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 8:05:58 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
I cordially invite you to join me in routinely kicking Dakota's lame ass in the Back Alley. Apply some of your Packer logic to politics.



Sorry, one thing I refuse to do is talk politics and I stay out of the alley's. I spend too much time here already.

I respect your right to have your opinion but that doesn't mean I agree with it or respect you for having it.
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#39 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 9:33:06 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I sure hope that Riley Cooper deal doesn't somehow effect Sam Shields. If a marginal player can get $5 million per year, Shields is probably gonna have to re-evaluate what he wants and most likely hit the $8 to $10 million per year range.

Then again, the Eagles have to pay people extra to play on that crap team.


Probably won't effect Shield's negotiations, but it is setting a number for wr's, Cooper turned into Foles #1 guy by the end of the year.

Will be interesting to see what the UFA wr's sign for when free agency gets started, then The Packers will have a pretty good idea of what they are gonna have to spend to extend Jordy and Cobb.

I'm betting Ted will get Sam signed before March 11th, if he has to go 6-7 mil a year, it's well worth it.

Many have said 5 mil range is a steal, I have to agree.
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#40 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 5:04:06 PM(UTC)
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Sorry, one thing I refuse to do is talk politics and I stay out of the alley's. I spend too much time here already.



Rolling On The Floor Laughing Rolling On The Floor Laughing Rolling On The Floor Laughing Rolling On The Floor Laughing @ Texas trying to find some tag team buddies!

Another few weeks and all you boys are on your own anyway. Time to fix the power plants again, so the Minnesota boys can wipe their asses with the lights on.
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#41 Posted : Saturday, March 1, 2014 7:10:22 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Rolling On The Floor Laughing Rolling On The Floor Laughing Rolling On The Floor Laughing Rolling On The Floor Laughing @ Texas trying to find some tag team buddies!

Another few weeks and all you boys are on your own anyway. Time to fix the power plants again, so the Minnesota boys can wipe their asses with the lights on.


Who knows, he might have been a lefty. It wouldn't hurt to have a more competent presentation of the wrongheaded point of view than you provide, especially if you are leaving town for a while. I guess they don't have computers in Minnesota huh?

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#42 Posted : Saturday, March 1, 2014 9:36:48 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Who knows, he might have been a lefty. It wouldn't hurt to have a more competent presentation of the wrongheaded point of view than you provide, especially if you are leaving town for a while. I guess they don't have computers in Minnesota huh?



Naw, I'll be home but after 12 hour days and a couple hours on the road, doesn't leave me much time to bless you with my presence.


Back on topic - $11.3M to tag Shields. I hope Uncle Ted gets his head out of his ass soon.
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#43 Posted : Saturday, March 1, 2014 10:12:37 AM(UTC)
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#44 Posted : Saturday, March 1, 2014 10:56:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Naw, I'll be home but after 12 hour days and a couple hours on the road, doesn't leave me much time to bless you with my presence.


Back on topic - $11.3M to tag Shields. I hope Uncle Ted gets his head out of his ass soon.


Shields is not worth 11m. He's a good player overall but he's a terrible tackler and still makes a lot of mistakes. He had a good year but he still didn't even come close to what Tramon did in 2010.
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#45 Posted : Saturday, March 1, 2014 11:50:42 AM(UTC)
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Green Bay Packers impending free-agent CB Sam Shields will not agree to a deal before the start of free agency and will test the free-agent market. Shields could still re-sign with the Packers at some point.




With Packers having difficulty locking up CB Sam Shields prior to market opening, I'd expect the Browns to be among his chief suitors -
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#46 Posted : Saturday, March 1, 2014 11:59:24 AM(UTC)
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Then let's go sign Byrd or Ward at safety, move Hayward to Corner and Hyde to the slot. Then use 1st or 2nd round pick on a corner.

I hate Drew $osenhous with a passion. Shields is important to the Packers, but he isn't even close to being a top ten corner yet.
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#47 Posted : Saturday, March 1, 2014 12:00:12 PM(UTC)
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Green Bay Packers impending free-agent CB Sam Shields will not agree to a deal before the start of free agency and will test the free-agent market. Shields could still re-sign with the Packers at some point.




With Packers having difficulty locking up CB Sam Shields prior to market opening, I'd expect the Browns to be among his chief suitors -
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mike davis ‏@Mic_Dvs 2h

@JasonLaCanfora sam shields and haden would be a nice combo


With Green Bay he's got a shot at a ring.

It'll be interesting to see what teams offer. Probably more than Ted will offer, but I still think Sam will be back, one way or another.
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#48 Posted : Saturday, March 1, 2014 12:11:08 PM(UTC)
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With Williams and the triple H guys, we probably have enough at corner to win. What I like about Shields though is his closing speed and long arms. Those are things a player has and can't be taught. That and he has had some huge picks for us in big games.
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#49 Posted : Saturday, March 1, 2014 3:08:13 PM(UTC)
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With Green Bay he's got a shot at a ring.

It'll be interesting to see what teams offer. Probably more than Ted will offer, but I still think Sam will be back, one way or another.


He isn't looking for a ring he has one already:( I see him going for the cash seeing he was so cheap to start his career
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#50 Posted : Saturday, March 1, 2014 11:47:55 PM(UTC)
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He isn't looking for a ring he has one already:( I see him going for the cash seeing he was so cheap to start his career


Yeah, he went undrafted, so now it's time to get paid. I think Ted knows that.

90% he'll be back.
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