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wpr  
#21 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:50:23 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
It has been my experience in forum's like this, that Packers fans overvalue their players too much. Jordy and Cobb are our studs, the rest fill positions and are just average players; and it is fiscally irresponsible to overpay for a player like Jones. Off the top of my head, Jones single handedly lost us two Bear games, and in 2010 had embarrassing drops in the Philly playoff game and the Super Bowl. Like I posted earlier, I had lofty expectations for Jones because of his size/speed/strength combination - and he never came close to being the player I hoped would become.


IIR it was said when they drafted Jones that he had tremendous leaping ability and all Aaron had to do was throw it high and Jones would out jump the defenders and come down with the ball. I didn't see a lot of that. And I suppose it was the so called experts that were saying it not Mike or Ted.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:12:06 PM(UTC)
DarkaneRules said: Go to Quoted Post
It's Jones or Cobb in my opinion. That's the decision. I think you go with Cobb.


That's a decision even Texas couldn't screw up.
sschind  
#23 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:01:13 PM(UTC)
DarkaneRules said: Go to Quoted Post
It's Jones or Cobb in my opinion. That's the decision. I think you go with Cobb.


If that is the decision then I would agree with you. In my opinion I just don't think that is the decision.

we disagree on that.

sschind  
#24 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:03:56 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
It has been my experience in forum's like this, that Packers fans overvalue their players too much. Jordy and Cobb are our studs, the rest fill positions and are just average players; and it is fiscally irresponsible to overpay for a player like Jones. Off the top of my head, Jones single handedly lost us two Bear games, and in 2010 had embarrassing drops in the Philly playoff game and the Super Bowl. Like I posted earlier, I had lofty expectations for Jones because of his size/speed/strength combination - and he never came close to being the player I hoped would become.


yup James Jones played 22 positions on offense and defense during those games and all the ST positions as well. He was the only player on the field so he single handedly lost the games.

You say some pretty stupid shit sometimes but I thought you were at least smarter than this. I guess not.

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#25 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:16:50 PM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
yup James Jones played 22 positions on offense and defense during those games and all the ST positions as well. He was the only player on the field so he single handedly lost the games.

You say some pretty stupid shit sometimes but I thought you were at least smarter than this. I guess not.



Do you even know which Bear games I'm talking about? Peanut Tillman made Jones his bitch and forced several fumbles by Jones that lost us the games. See losing divisional games to our rival teams cause one of our players fucks up stays with me a while. Jones has had way too many mental farts and he's lucky he got his last contract.

If any of you self proclaimed "experts" had an ounce of personality this place would be a lot more fun! Instead all this has become is a copy and paste of stupid stats that don't mean anything. So basically fuck you for calling me stupid, and I'm not going to have a four page pissing match with you, cause frankly, you don't mean anything to me.
steveishere  
#26 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 12:53:58 AM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Do you even know which Bear games I'm talking about? Peanut Tillman made Jones his bitch and forced several fumbles by Jones that lost us the games. See losing divisional games to our rival teams cause one of our players fucks up stays with me a while. Jones has had way too many mental farts and he's lucky he got his last contract.

If any of you self proclaimed "experts" had an ounce of personality this place would be a lot more fun! Instead all this has become is a copy and paste of stupid stats that don't mean anything. So basically fuck you for calling me stupid, and I'm not going to have a four page pissing match with you, cause frankly, you don't mean anything to me.


lol you are all strung out on a couple fumbles from 2007 by a rookie. A wee bit obsessive don't you think? Not to mention he easily played up to his last contract so calling it "luck" is just bullshit.
blueleopard  
#27 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 1:46:56 AM(UTC)
I went to school with James, so I'm biased. But the guy was pretty damn dynamic.

And if he didn't play to your expectations, then your expectations are ridiculous. He got drafted in the third round out of a school not known for football and had to play second fiddle to Donald Driver and Greg Jennings most of his career. He finally got a chance to start and he scored 14 TDs. Pretty damn good in my opinion.
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#28 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 5:47:38 AM(UTC)
blueleopard said: Go to Quoted Post
I went to school with James, so I'm biased. But the guy was pretty damn dynamic.

And if he didn't play to your expectations, then your expectations are ridiculous. He got drafted in the third round out of a school not known for football and had to play second fiddle to Donald Driver and Greg Jennings most of his career. He finally got a chance to start and he scored 14 TDs. Pretty damn good in my opinion.


But he was suppose to become Sterling Sharpe with all that dynamic ability. Besides, I'm not the one not resigning him, just the guy speaking his mind about an average player. I'm just the same asshole too that expected Hawk to become a superstar with where he was drafted. I'm just horribly unfair to these guys. RollEyes
Zero2Cool  
#29 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 5:57:48 AM(UTC)
It does not come down to Randall Cobb OR James Jones. If anything, it would be more Jones or Jermichael Finley. The Packers will try to extend Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb during the season after they've spent some cash on free agents, theres and others. Then they'll have a better gauge of what kinda bonus they can dish out to front load Cobb or Nelson's contract.
play2win  
#30 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 7:03:43 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
It does not come down to Randall Cobb OR James Jones. If anything, it would be more Jones or Jermichael Finley. The Packers will try to extend Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb during the season after they've spent some cash on free agents, theres and others. Then they'll have a better gauge of what kinda bonus they can dish out to front load Cobb or Nelson's contract.


I hate to think that this might be the case, but you are probably be right. I'd take Jones over Finley in a heartbeat. Way less downside. Finley is more of a circus act. Jones is steady and reliable.
sschind  
#31 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 9:16:10 AM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Do you even know which Bear games I'm talking about? Peanut Tillman made Jones his bitch and forced several fumbles by Jones that lost us the games. See losing divisional games to our rival teams cause one of our players fucks up stays with me a while. Jones has had way too many mental farts and he's lucky he got his last contract.

If any of you self proclaimed "experts" had an ounce of personality this place would be a lot more fun! Instead all this has become is a copy and paste of stupid stats that don't mean anything. So basically fuck you for calling me stupid, and I'm not going to have a four page pissing match with you, cause frankly, you don't mean anything to me.




Anyone who holds 1 player single handedly responsible for a loss is an idiot plain and simple.
Zero2Cool  
#32 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 10:17:39 AM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
Anyone who holds 1 player single handedly responsible for a loss is an idiot plain and simple.


sschind , we all say stupid shit. We are all Packers fans, therefore, none of us are stupid.


Can we have stupid thoughts? Sure. And yeah, singling one player out for a win/loss is silly, but so what. I don't think that gives us the right to say they are stupid or idiotic.


DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Do you even know which Bear games I'm talking about? Peanut Tillman made Jones his bitch and forced several fumbles by Jones that lost us the games. See losing divisional games to our rival teams cause one of our players fucks up stays with me a while. Jones has had way too many mental farts and he's lucky he got his last contract.

If any of you self proclaimed "experts" had an ounce of personality this place would be a lot more fun! Instead all this has become is a copy and paste of stupid stats that don't mean anything. So basically fuck you for calling me stupid, and I'm not going to have a four page pissing match with you, cause frankly, you don't mean anything to me.


I missed this earlier.

This is the kind of comment that forces those whom might otherwise contribute into silence and that quite frankly, PISSES ME OFF.




Charles Tillman has made a career out of stripping the ball. James Jones had two bad games where he fumbled a total of three times. (oh no, more stats!). He's also done a lot more good for the Packers (14 TD season, plus game clinching first downs that won games) and would be far more successful in GB than anywhere else. If you question that, ask Greg Jennings.
nerdmann  
#33 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 10:19:38 AM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Do you even know which Bear games I'm talking about? Peanut Tillman made Jones his bitch and forced several fumbles by Jones that lost us the games. See losing divisional games to our rival teams cause one of our players fucks up stays with me a while. Jones has had way too many mental farts and he's lucky he got his last contract.

If any of you self proclaimed "experts" had an ounce of personality this place would be a lot more fun! Instead all this has become is a copy and paste of stupid stats that don't mean anything. So basically fuck you for calling me stupid, and I'm not going to have a four page pissing match with you, cause frankly, you don't mean anything to me.


You talking about the drops he had this year, while playing with broken ribs?

I'd make JJ an offer, but I wouldn't break the bank on him.
sschind  
#34 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 1:50:58 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
sschind , we all say stupid shit. We are all Packers fans, therefore, none of us are stupid.


Can we have stupid thoughts? Sure. And yeah, singling one player out for a win/loss is silly, but so what. I don't think that gives us the right to say they are stupid or idiotic.




I missed this earlier.

This is the kind of comment that forces those whom might otherwise contribute into silence and that quite frankly, PISSES ME OFF.




Charles Tillman has made a career out of stripping the ball. James Jones had two bad games where he fumbled a total of three times. (oh no, more stats!). He's also done a lot more good for the Packers (14 TD season, plus game clinching first downs that won games) and would be far more successful in GB than anywhere else. If you question that, ask Greg Jennings.


When my nephew was 3 or 4 years old I told him jokingly one time that he should quit acting so stupid (his mom absolutely hates it when people call other people stupid) Right away he yells "Mom, uncle Stevie called me stupid" I said "I didn't call you stupid I said you were acting stupid" He yells back' Its OK mom, he didn't say I was stupid, just that I was acting stupid."

You are right though. Blaming a loss on one player single handedly is an idiotic thought (my word, I think its a bit more than silly.) but it is not absolute proof that the person who thinks it is an idiot.



dfosterf  
#35 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 5:02:33 PM(UTC)
Mistake to let my man James Jones go.

mi_keys  
#36 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 5:58:18 PM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
Anyone who holds 1 player single handedly responsible for a loss is an idiot plain and simple.


Erroneous. Rex Grossman.
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#37 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 6:09:46 PM(UTC)
mi_keys said: Go to Quoted Post
Erroneous. Rex Grossman.


How dare you question the great sschind? We should all bow down to his intellect.
Dulak  
#38 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:41:29 AM(UTC)
JJ is my man ... He has Class and Style.

I hope they keep him at a decent price ... I agree with the others - Id take him over finley atm; finley's neck is a big question mark.

JJ used to be my favorite WR. Nelson has passed him a bit recently but still a great go to guy. And like others have said - rodgers often targets him
blueleopard  
#39 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:46:39 AM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
But he was suppose to become Sterling Sharpe with all that dynamic ability. Besides, I'm not the one not resigning him, just the guy speaking his mind about an average player. I'm just the same asshole too that expected Hawk to become a superstar with where he was drafted. I'm just horribly unfair to these guys. RollEyes


I don't know whether or not it's blatant sarcasm, but I'm in agreement that Hawk was supposed to be a superstar. At the same time, he hasn't actually been a liability to the defense. His play hay been adequate. Good enough? Of course not.
mi_keys  
#40 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:56:23 AM(UTC)
blueleopard said: Go to Quoted Post
His play hay been adequate. Good enough? Of course not.


Adequate by its very definition is good enough...
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