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Offline sschind  
#31 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 9:16:10 AM(UTC)
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DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Do you even know which Bear games I'm talking about? Peanut Tillman made Jones his bitch and forced several fumbles by Jones that lost us the games. See losing divisional games to our rival teams cause one of our players fucks up stays with me a while. Jones has had way too many mental farts and he's lucky he got his last contract.

If any of you self proclaimed "experts" had an ounce of personality this place would be a lot more fun! Instead all this has become is a copy and paste of stupid stats that don't mean anything. So basically fuck you for calling me stupid, and I'm not going to have a four page pissing match with you, cause frankly, you don't mean anything to me.




Anyone who holds 1 player single handedly responsible for a loss is an idiot plain and simple.
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#32 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 10:17:39 AM(UTC)
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Anyone who holds 1 player single handedly responsible for a loss is an idiot plain and simple.


sschind Offline , we all say stupid shit. We are all Packers fans, therefore, none of us are stupid.


Can we have stupid thoughts? Sure. And yeah, singling one player out for a win/loss is silly, but so what. I don't think that gives us the right to say they are stupid or idiotic.


DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Do you even know which Bear games I'm talking about? Peanut Tillman made Jones his bitch and forced several fumbles by Jones that lost us the games. See losing divisional games to our rival teams cause one of our players fucks up stays with me a while. Jones has had way too many mental farts and he's lucky he got his last contract.

If any of you self proclaimed "experts" had an ounce of personality this place would be a lot more fun! Instead all this has become is a copy and paste of stupid stats that don't mean anything. So basically fuck you for calling me stupid, and I'm not going to have a four page pissing match with you, cause frankly, you don't mean anything to me.


I missed this earlier.

This is the kind of comment that forces those whom might otherwise contribute into silence and that quite frankly, PISSES ME OFF.




Charles Tillman has made a career out of stripping the ball. James Jones had two bad games where he fumbled a total of three times. (oh no, more stats!). He's also done a lot more good for the Packers (14 TD season, plus game clinching first downs that won games) and would be far more successful in GB than anywhere else. If you question that, ask Greg Jennings.
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#33 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 10:19:38 AM(UTC)
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DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Do you even know which Bear games I'm talking about? Peanut Tillman made Jones his bitch and forced several fumbles by Jones that lost us the games. See losing divisional games to our rival teams cause one of our players fucks up stays with me a while. Jones has had way too many mental farts and he's lucky he got his last contract.

If any of you self proclaimed "experts" had an ounce of personality this place would be a lot more fun! Instead all this has become is a copy and paste of stupid stats that don't mean anything. So basically fuck you for calling me stupid, and I'm not going to have a four page pissing match with you, cause frankly, you don't mean anything to me.


You talking about the drops he had this year, while playing with broken ribs?

I'd make JJ an offer, but I wouldn't break the bank on him.
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#34 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 1:50:58 PM(UTC)
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sschind Offline , we all say stupid shit. We are all Packers fans, therefore, none of us are stupid.


Can we have stupid thoughts? Sure. And yeah, singling one player out for a win/loss is silly, but so what. I don't think that gives us the right to say they are stupid or idiotic.




I missed this earlier.

This is the kind of comment that forces those whom might otherwise contribute into silence and that quite frankly, PISSES ME OFF.




Charles Tillman has made a career out of stripping the ball. James Jones had two bad games where he fumbled a total of three times. (oh no, more stats!). He's also done a lot more good for the Packers (14 TD season, plus game clinching first downs that won games) and would be far more successful in GB than anywhere else. If you question that, ask Greg Jennings.


When my nephew was 3 or 4 years old I told him jokingly one time that he should quit acting so stupid (his mom absolutely hates it when people call other people stupid) Right away he yells "Mom, uncle Stevie called me stupid" I said "I didn't call you stupid I said you were acting stupid" He yells back' Its OK mom, he didn't say I was stupid, just that I was acting stupid."

You are right though. Blaming a loss on one player single handedly is an idiotic thought (my word, I think its a bit more than silly.) but it is not absolute proof that the person who thinks it is an idiot.



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#35 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 5:02:33 PM(UTC)
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Mistake to let my man James Jones go.

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#36 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 5:58:18 PM(UTC)
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sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
Anyone who holds 1 player single handedly responsible for a loss is an idiot plain and simple.


Erroneous. Rex Grossman.
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#37 Posted : Monday, February 24, 2014 6:09:46 PM(UTC)
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Erroneous. Rex Grossman.


How dare you question the great sschind? We should all bow down to his intellect.
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#38 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:41:29 AM(UTC)
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JJ is my man ... He has Class and Style.

I hope they keep him at a decent price ... I agree with the others - Id take him over finley atm; finley's neck is a big question mark.

JJ used to be my favorite WR. Nelson has passed him a bit recently but still a great go to guy. And like others have said - rodgers often targets him
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#39 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:46:39 AM(UTC)
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But he was suppose to become Sterling Sharpe with all that dynamic ability. Besides, I'm not the one not resigning him, just the guy speaking his mind about an average player. I'm just the same asshole too that expected Hawk to become a superstar with where he was drafted. I'm just horribly unfair to these guys. RollEyes


I don't know whether or not it's blatant sarcasm, but I'm in agreement that Hawk was supposed to be a superstar. At the same time, he hasn't actually been a liability to the defense. His play hay been adequate. Good enough? Of course not.
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#40 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:56:23 AM(UTC)
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His play hay been adequate. Good enough? Of course not.


Adequate by its very definition is good enough...
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#41 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:25:43 AM(UTC)
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I don't know whether or not it's blatant sarcasm, but I'm in agreement that Hawk was supposed to be a superstar. At the same time, he hasn't actually been a liability to the defense. His play hay been adequate. Good enough? Of course not.


We're talking James Jones here, but to clarify a known fact. A.J. Hawk was never supposed to be a superstar. He was supposed to be a safe pick, a pick that had already reached his ceiling. Vernon Davis was supposed to be a superstar. He had a high ceiling. Hawk is who he was when drafted. An accountable player who isn't flashy. Hawk isn't the problem for the defense, or even the linebackers.


As for James Jones. I think after the report of how deep of a draft this is, he's gone.

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#42 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:39:03 AM(UTC)
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We're talking James Jones here, but to clarify a known fact. A.J. Hawk was never supposed to be a superstar. He was supposed to be a safe pick, a pick that had already reached his ceiling. Vernon Davis was supposed to be a superstar. He had a high ceiling. Hawk is who he was when drafted. An accountable player who isn't flashy. Hawk isn't the problem for the defense, or even the linebackers.


As for James Jones. I think after the report of how deep of a draft this is, he's gone.



I disagree about Hawk. You just don't draft somebody that high in the first round without strong expectation he will be a superstar. In the case of Hawk, I think "safe" meant no character issues or like that - compared to Davis for example, who I am on record as strongly preferring at the time.

Jones, on the other hand, was not expected to be a superstar. He has not been a disappointment. He just ain't worth the slightly less than Greg Jennings money it will probably take to sign him.

It's partly because of the position he plays too - shorter period of peak performance. I can foresee us having a similar discussion about Eddie Lacy in a few years - all out superstar, but questionable whether to pay him into his 30s superstar money.

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#43 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:45:57 AM(UTC)
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Lol I really dont see jones getting 8ish million a year
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#44 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:07:31 PM(UTC)
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Lol I really dont see jones getting 8ish million a year


I actually think he is going to resign with the Packers for $3M a year. Doesn't mean I think he is anywhere near the talent of player that is Nelson or Cobb - or that I don't cringe every time he is running with the football. James Jones is damn lucky our defense held out in the Eagles and Steelers playoff games in 2010, or his touchdown drops would have sent him into the unemployment line that season where he got very little free agent interest. Like I've said many times, Packers fans overvalue their players. And we have some major flawed offenders of this in this very forum.
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#45 Posted : Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:16:26 PM(UTC)
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I actually think he is going to resign with the Packers for $3M a year. Doesn't mean I think he is anywhere near the talent of player that is Nelson or Cobb - or that I don't cringe every time he is running with the football. James Jones is damn lucky our defense held out in the Eagles and Steelers playoff games in 2010, or his touchdown drops would have sent him into the unemployment line that season where he got very little free agent interest. Like I've said many times, Packers fans overvalue their players. And we have some major flawed offenders of this in this very forum.


I haven't really seen anybody here "overvaluing" James Jones. It seems to me like most here have been saying he's a decent WR and would be nice to keep but wouldn't be heartbroken if he left. Seems more like you are just inventing those people so you can be the edgy negative guy or something. Like you are just waiting for someone to say anything remotely positive about him so you can jump all over it with your "OMG you guys are overrating him he fumbled in this one game in 2007, everyone things James Jones is the best guy in the NFL" or some such comment.

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