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Offline steveishere  
#26 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:31:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Peppers had a 6 year $84 million contract with the Bears - $42 million guaranteed - presumably most of that bonus. I would think that amounts to a HUGE piece of "dead money" under the cap for the Bears.


He was in the last year of the deal and I think they reworked it once so instead of 7m they actually have 8.3m in dead money for him this year.
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#27 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:32:30 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 Go to Quoted Post
So basically packers traded eds for peppers


lol more like they traded MD Jennings to the Bears for Peppers.
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Offline rabidgopher04  
#28 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:41:43 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra Go to Quoted Post
Cutler's reaction to this signing

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Actually I am pretty sure it was this:

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Offline texaspackerbacker  
#29 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:47:47 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
now for jarius byrd

wait


It could be done.

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Offline DakotaT  
#30 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:56:17 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
Basically its a 1 year deal for 8.5 million with a friendly cap hit for the Packers in 2014 with limited dead money in 2015 and 2016. Unless part of the 30 million max is other bonuses (Pro Bowl, certain #sacks etc) or includes a really really huge 2016 base salary his cap hit will be well over 10 million in 2015 and 2016.

If he plays well he has already shown his willingness to restructure so I could see him agreeing to something else next season as well.

I guess you can consider this a blockbuster signing for the Packers simply because of the name alone but it is a short term fix. It may turn out to be a great short term fix as I do expect him to contribute a great deal to the Packers pass rush but we will be left with a similar situation next season. Hopefully by then Jones will have come on strong and we can make a seamless transition.

I'm excited because I have seen how disruptive he can be but my excitement is tempered by the fact that he is 34 years old and is pretty much a stopgap fill in. Regardless, I suspect for at least 2014 our pass rush just got a whole lot better.


There is another possible outcome that I will not go into details about until I see the details of this deal but suffice it to say it involves unclear (to me anyway) terminology a lot more than 3.5 million in cap hit this year.


I saw an article somewhere that the Packers are bringing back the elephant end position that Tim Harris use to play. Could it be that Peppers is being brought as D Jones' teacher on how to rush the passer and play the run tough?

I'm very skeptical about how many downs Peppers has in him per game at age 34, but if he can help bring along Jones, then this signing will be well worth it. Hopefully Big Julius will get to end his career with a championship.
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Offline warhawk  
#31 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:01:53 AM(UTC)
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I see it as a huge advantage to get a veteran like this that allows the Packers to draft a couple of players over the next two years with a lot of upside that needs that first year to develop.

I can see scratching off DE in the first couple of rounds now and nabbing a player with a ton of potential in a later round and concentrating on Safety, ILB, and depth at OLB.

There is more to this than Peppers giving us two good years.

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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#32 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:35:15 AM(UTC)
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Call me surprised, I didn't not believe Ted would bring in Peppers. I never thought he was a great fit for the defense, but I can see how he improves them as a whole. I could see Neal and Peppers side by side perhaps doing stunts. Or Raji Peppers and Matthews on a side, that would guarantee Peppers single blocking. Hopefully he is a good teammate and helps Datone, and Worthy with technique.
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Offline DarkaneRules  
#33 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:48:27 AM(UTC)
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Went over the numbers and this is a great damn deal we got for him. Say what you will about the brass but their contracts are usually pretty solid. Matthews needs to stay healthy though...
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Offline porky88  
#34 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 1:14:50 PM(UTC)
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The Packers are definitely going to a hybrid look this season. They’re looking to install an elephant package into their defense. These were rumors, but this signing confirms them. I thought Mike Neal was a great fit for this package, but I have to imagine they signed Peppers to play it. Sometimes he'll lineup as a 4-3 defensive end, other times he'll stand up and play outside linebacker. In the case of Peppers, it's obvious he'll lineup as a 4-3 defensive end most of the time, so he gives them more flexibility.
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Offline QCHuskerFan  
#35 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 1:37:17 PM(UTC)
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Can you imagine a LG & LT getting in their stance on 3rd & 12 and looking up to see Matthews stacked behind Peppers? Think they'd be screaming for TE and RB help????? It's got situational promise!!!!!
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#36 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:31:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
Can you imagine a LG & LT getting in their stance on 3rd & 12 and looking up to see Matthews stacked behind Peppers? Think they'd be screaming for TE and RB help????? It's got situational promise!!!!!


I think it would make more sense to have them opposite of one another. Otherwise you could use three two block the two quite easily. They kept Cullen Jenkins and Clay Matthews opposite for this reason. You can't double both sides of the line and still maintain solid protection play in play out.
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Offline wpr  
#37 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:54:18 PM(UTC)
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First reaction- HE"S TO OLD!
Second reaction- The numbers are pretty good.
Third reaction- Damn Uncle Teddy did it to us again. Even though most of us didn't expect him to go big.


Bring Peppers in on 2nd and long and 3rd down and he will get after the QB. He will be fresh for the whole game and still be able to do something when the game is on the line.

One thing is certain- JP is going to play balls out for at least 2 games a year. SWEET!!
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Offline steveishere  
#38 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:00:49 PM(UTC)
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Also since he was released we can still get a draft pick next year for EDS. Though it will probably be like a 6th or 7th.
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Offline sschind  
#39 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:05:50 PM(UTC)
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More good news (assuming you think the signing of Peppers is good news) he won't count against the Packers in any compensatory draft pick calculations for the 2015 draft even if he does light it up.


http://espn.go.com/blog/...d-give-packers-d-a-boost
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#40 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:16:54 PM(UTC)
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I heard that Julius Peppers will count twice as much on the Bears cap than the Packers.
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Offline nerdmann  
#41 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:15:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
He's played RE and LE in a 4 - 3 his career.

Two major questions

1. Where does he play? OLB or DE?

2. What number will he sport?
98 97 94 92 91 are the only 90's numbers left. I'm gonna guess 94


He's gonna be the elephant.

And he's gonna teach Datone Jones, Mike Neal and Nick Perry how to get it done.
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Offline The_Green_Ninja  
#42 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:25:10 PM(UTC)
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I think the fact that he is able to show the younger players how to really do it is almost a bigger asset then him just being on the team.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#43 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:51:41 PM(UTC)
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Something that probably only interests me...

Reggie White was signed at age 32 and started playing professional football when he was 22 years old.

Julius Peppers is 34 and also started playing professional football at age 22.


Four seasons after age 34, White registered 47 sacks. That man was amazing. I think if the Packers get half that production out of Peppers in three seasons it'll be a good signing.
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Offline DakotaT  
#44 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:03:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Something that probably only interests me...

Reggie White was signed at age 32 and started playing professional football when he was 22 years old.

Julius Peppers is 34 and also started playing professional football at age 22.


Four seasons after age 34, White registered 47 sacks. That man was amazing. I think if the Packers get half that production out of Peppers in three seasons it'll be a good signing.


That' pretty pompous of you! Big Grin

If our pass rush improves and our defense jumps up to the 10-15 ranked range, Peppers will be worth every penny. But to expect a Reggie-like impact would be wishful thinking.
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#45 Posted : Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:04:59 PM(UTC)
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Saw these in a thread on a different forum. Peppers sacks from 2012 and 2013

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After watching those all I can say is:
-MOARWeeeee!!
- I hope the 49ers or Seahawks sign Marshall Newhouse! Big Grin
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#46 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:39:23 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: The_Green_Ninja Go to Quoted Post
I think the fact that he is able to show the younger players how to really do it is almost a bigger asset then him just being on the team.

This is my thought as well. I am wondering if this is Ted Thompson wanting to get some veteran leadership and mentoring for our all our young guys.

That being said I do believe that Peppers still has some motivation as he lacks a Super Bowl ring and he is definitely a HOF candidate and a Ring would no doubt solidify his place in Canton.
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#47 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 5:24:25 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra Go to Quoted Post
Saw these in a thread on a different forum. Peppers sacks from 2012 and 2013


After watching those all I can say is:
-MOARWeeeee!!
- I hope the 49ers or Seahawks sign Marshall Newhouse! Big Grin
-Bacteria, hit the weight room!


After watching those clips JP we can see JP lined up all over the place including wide of the OT and even wide of the TE. He can play the Elephant position.
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#48 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:08:42 AM(UTC)
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It must feel weird for Peppers to actually have what we would call a real quarterback on his team now.
Offline Dulak  
#49 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:10:59 PM(UTC)
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Wow! - I never expected this ...

I bet they had to ask rodgers if it was ok they sign him; he used to go after rodgers big time.

I remember him blocking a was it a fg or a extra point last year?

He is a fast long armed sack machine.

To be honest I would of liked orakpo more - but perhaps peppers was the better signing.

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#50 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:45:57 PM(UTC)
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Last year the Bears had so many injuries he was the only threat on their D Line, even playing inside sometimes, and he still managed a statistically average season...certainly not what they were paying him for but he was still a viable player.

Now add him to a team with better talent all over the D and I think he will look better. In addition, Raji will look a lot better as well, since he won't be playing DE at all and will likely see fewer doubles. I

I see the biggest change being Peppers instead of Perry/Neal at nickel DE, a huge upgrade, and some immediate development with Darone Jones with the veteran presence.

Not the impact move it would have been 4 years ago, but I like fill-in moves leaving more flexibility in the draft...now go for a stud Safety or Center in rounds 1 and 2.
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