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Offline nerdmann  
#51 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:52:54 PM(UTC)
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Last year the Bears had so many injuries he was the only threat on their D Line, even playing inside sometimes, and he still managed a statistically average season...certainly not what they were paying him for but he was still a viable player.

Now add him to a team with better talent all over the D and I think he will look better. In addition, Raji will look a lot better as well, since he won't be playing DE at all and will likely see fewer doubles. I

I see the biggest change being Peppers instead of Perry/Neal at nickel DE, a huge upgrade, and some immediate development with Darone Jones with the veteran presence.

Not the impact move it would have been 4 years ago, but I like fill-in moves leaving more flexibility in the draft...now go for a stud Safety or Center in rounds 1 and 2.


Agreed. He was largely the only threat on that defense. Against us, teams will have to key on Clay, so they won't be able to triple team Peppers.
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#52 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:18:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 Go to Quoted Post
Last year the Bears had so many injuries he was the only threat on their D Line, even playing inside sometimes, and he still managed a statistically average season...certainly not what they were paying him for but he was still a viable player.

Now add him to a team with better talent all over the D and I think he will look better. In addition, Raji will look a lot better as well, since he won't be playing DE at all and will likely see fewer doubles. I

I see the biggest change being Peppers instead of Perry/Neal at nickel DE, a huge upgrade, and some immediate development with Darone Jones with the veteran presence.

Not the impact move it would have been 4 years ago, but I like fill-in moves leaving more flexibility in the draft...now go for a stud Safety or Center in rounds 1 and 2.


Hopefully with Peppers they can move Matthews around to get better matchups.
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#53 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:27:36 PM(UTC)
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question will be ... peppers or cm3 the better pass rusher this year?
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#54 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:26:13 PM(UTC)
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question will be ... peppers or cm3 the better pass rusher this year?


It all depends on if CM3 plays 10 or 16 games.
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#55 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:07:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dulak Go to Quoted Post
question will be ... peppers or cm3 the better pass rusher this year?


I know it sounds pessimistic, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it ends up being Peppers. If for no other reason, I feel like Peppers will be more available. Although it also wouldn't surprise me at all if things went the exact opposite way, lol.
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#56 Posted : Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:23:41 PM(UTC)
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I know it sounds pessimistic, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it ends up being Peppers. If for no other reason, I feel like Peppers will be more available. Although it also wouldn't surprise me at all if things went the exact opposite way, lol.


Who are you gonna double team? Probably Clay.

Also, the elephant may have freedom to line up wherever he wants. Either way, I'm kind of excited to see how this plays out.
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#57 Posted : Monday, March 17, 2014 6:30:42 AM(UTC)
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Something that probably only interests me...

Reggie White was signed at age 32 and started playing professional football when he was 22 years old.

Julius Peppers is 34 and also started playing professional football at age 22.


Four seasons after age 34, White registered 47 sacks. That man was amazing. I think if the Packers get half that production out of Peppers in three seasons it'll be a good signing.


Reggie was a little more dominant going into F.A. at that age Reggie Career Stats although remarkably had a great sack season at age 37.

Bruce Smith had a 14 sack season at the age of 34 too, so theoretically it can be done, I just have a hunch he will go more the way of Hard(l)y Nickerson.
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#58 Posted : Monday, March 17, 2014 8:37:32 AM(UTC)
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The problem for Peppers is that if he doesn't go nuts on his own numbers people will call him a failure. If Peppers has 0 sacks all season and because teams have to account for him on defense Clay ends up with 20 I'll say the Peppers signing was a huge success.
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#59 Posted : Monday, March 17, 2014 8:50:03 AM(UTC)
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96, Reggie, Sean Jones, And Eugene Robinson were all at Peppers age.
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#60 Posted : Monday, March 17, 2014 11:08:43 AM(UTC)
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@WesHod Three years, $26 million for Julius Peppers with an $7.5 million bonus. Counts $3.5 million against 14 cap, $12M against 15, $10.5M in 16
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#61 Posted : Monday, March 17, 2014 11:13:46 AM(UTC)
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To me there is a big difference with older free agents not based on how much they have left nut in how much they still want it. Bruce Smith was hanging on to get the sack record, not going to revitalize his career. More recently Osi U went to Atlanta to play near his home, not to show the Giants they made a mistake. Steve Smith wants to shove it down the Panthers' throats. Peppers seems, anyway to be more like the latter. I think he genuinely wants to compete and see what the challenge of a new defense brings.

In a year or two he may have nothing left but I bet he gives a short term boost much like Alan Page did going to Chicago years ago.
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#62 Posted : Monday, March 17, 2014 1:11:14 PM(UTC)
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What I see that Capers has now is a group of guys that will allow him to pull all stops with his schemes.

Daniels has been a blessing and now has two years under his belt. Datone Jones obviously is just learning the system but now has that first year behind him. Time to cut him loose. Jolly will hopefully be back but even he hadn't been in this system for years.

Now add Peppers into the mix.

The few interior Dlinemen that can rush the QB have been young along with OLB's that have missed far to many games being replaced by....young guys. Add Neal in there taking over a new position as well. This has had to put the clamps on many things Capers would have liked to be able to do.

With more experience and adding Peppers in there we are going to see all kinds of different ways Capers will come up with pressure. I can see this D consistently coming up with sacks and pressure in a wide variety of ways because there is finally the experience there that Capers needed to put his trust in.

This is going to be fun to watch.



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#63 Posted : Monday, March 17, 2014 1:39:21 PM(UTC)
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It's an improvement over last year. That's the big thing to me.

That's one UFA, Ted. Don't stop yet.

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#64 Posted : Monday, March 17, 2014 4:29:42 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
It's an improvement over last year. That's the big thing to me.

That's one UFA, Ted. Don't stop yet.



Yup, and any improvement in the pass rush should have a positive impact in the secondary as well. Our defense should be better. Of course they were so bad last year they could get better this year and still suck.
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#65 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2014 7:00:23 AM(UTC)
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I'm starting to feel this signing is equivalent to the Desmond Howard and Charles Woodson signings of years gone by.
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#66 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2014 7:26:15 AM(UTC)
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I can't believe Chicago let Peppers walk to replace him with washed up Jared Allen. I'd love for Peppers to give us 3 years, but I'll be happy with two.
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#67 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2014 7:35:33 AM(UTC)
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I was worried that this dude didn't have anything left in the tank. I was worried that his play would be inconsistent based on his reputation of taking plays off here and there. Now I'm starting to wonder how many INT TD returns this guy would have if he'd played as OLB in a 3-4 his whole career. All I got to say is use both hands when doing the Lambeau Leap Julius!
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#68 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2014 7:48:01 AM(UTC)
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I can't believe Chicago let Peppers walk to replace him with washed up Jared Allen. I'd love for Peppers to give us 3 years, but I'll be happy with two.


I think they actually cut him and are on the hook for several million this year because of it.
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#69 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2014 8:35:50 AM(UTC)
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I think they actually cut him and are on the hook for several million this year because of it.


Yeah it was a salary cap dump, but the guy can still play. A very poor lack of judgment on their, very happy to scoop up their crumbs.
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#70 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2014 9:25:44 AM(UTC)
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Allen 9 games 20 tackles 17 assists 2.5 sacks 1 fumble forced 1 pass defensed. He has a three-year, $24 million deal.

Peppers 10 games 17 tackles 12 assists 5 sacks 2 fumble forced 3 fumbles recovered 2 ints 2 tds 6 pass defensed. He has a 3 year up to $26 million.
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#71 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2014 11:36:44 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I think they actually cut him and are on the hook for several million this year because of it.


Did I read wrong when this deal was originally made, but I think The Bears are actually paying Peppers more than The Packers are this year.

Anybody know for sure?

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#72 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2014 11:50:57 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
Did I read wrong when this deal was originally made, but I think The Bears are actually paying Peppers more than The Packers are this year.

Anybody know for sure?

Ted doesn't jump in the pool often, but when he does he seems to make a big splash!!!!


Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I heard that Julius Peppers will count twice as much on the Bears cap than the Packers.


According the wise sage known as Zero2Cool, this is true!

Edit: Chicago Bears take salary cap hit for Julius Peppers
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#73 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2014 7:59:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
Did I read wrong when this deal was originally made, but I think The Bears are actually paying Peppers more than The Packers are this year.

Anybody know for sure?

Ted doesn't jump in the pool often, but when he does he seems to make a big splash!!!!


For the Bears the choices were keep him and count 18 million against the cap (he wasn't going to renegotiate) or cut him and count 8 million (I think those figures are about right) They had 8 million in dead money but they freed up 10 by letting him go. I don't think he actually got any salary from the Bears this season. I think it was his prorated signing bonus that hit the Bears cap but I could be wrong.

He won't be as cheap for us next year though and if we cut him we will be in a similar situation (though not quite as bad) If we keep him he will count 12 mill against the cap and if we cut him he will count 5 and whoever signs him will probably be saying the same thing about us that we are about the Bears right now.

Another good thing is that he won't count against the Packers when it comes time to figure compensatory picks. James Jones isn't having a terrible year in Oakland and I'd think he would net us a 4th.
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