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nerdmann  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 12:59:45 PM(UTC)
Darin Gantt said:
From the moment the Packers went against stereotype and signed former Bears defensive end Julius Peppers, the question became how they'd use him. That has been answered, for now. According to Jason Wilde of ESPNWisconsin.com, Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Peppers would work with the linebackers in practice, but would have multiple roles in the...
Laser Gunns  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:09:37 PM(UTC)
A "hand in the dirt" linebacker I hope."....
gbguy20  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:04:20 PM(UTC)
Clay and Julius coming off the same side would be a damn nightmare, coming off opposite sides they will be a damn nightmare. Peppers in coverage, probably not a nightmare, at least for the opponent.
steveishere  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:41:10 PM(UTC)
So something like we are replacing Neal with Peppers and Pickett/Wilson with Neal
steveishere  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:44:23 PM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
Clay and Julius coming off the same side would be a damn nightmare, coming off opposite sides they will be a damn nightmare. Peppers in coverage, probably not a nightmare, at least for the opponent.


The being in coverage thing gets pretty overblown I think. Even if one of the OLB is bad in coverage he's still not going to be doing it very often. The most targeted OLB last season was only thrown at 23 times and only 5 guys were thrown at at least 15 times. It's a pretty insignificant part of an OLB game for how much it gets talked about. One of those things where if you have one that can cover then great but if you don't then meh, who cares.
dhazer  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:55:10 PM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
Clay and Julius coming off the same side would be a damn nightmare, coming off opposite sides they will be a damn nightmare. Peppers in coverage, probably not a nightmare, at least for the opponent.


Well we won't see much of Matthews and Peppers together because at the going rate Matthews should miss around 8 games this year. We should really trade his injury prone ass. Maybe get a 1st rounder from oakland and draft mack or clowney.



Clay Matthews doing well and is ready for the regular season. head coach Mike McCarthy said LB Clay Matthews (thumb) broken thumb has knitted together nicely and he does not expect him to have any issues with it moving forward.
steveishere  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 3:50:46 PM(UTC)
dhazer said: Go to Quoted Post
Well we won't see much of Matthews and Peppers together because at the going rate Matthews should miss around 8 games this year. We should really trade his injury prone ass. Maybe get a 1st rounder from oakland and draft mack or clowney.



Clay Matthews doing well and is ready for the regular season. head coach Mike McCarthy said LB Clay Matthews (thumb) broken thumb has knitted together nicely and he does not expect him to have any issues with it moving forward.


Clay averages 14 games a season.
DoddPower  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:11:20 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
Clay averages 14 games a season.


What about the two most recent seasons?
dhazer  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:33:30 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
Clay averages 14 games a season.




Ok so a guy starts off with 2 games which he got 4 sacks each and the next 6 games he gets none, would he be an awesome pass rusher with an average of 1 a game or is it just an average player that got lucky?


Here is his games played starting from rookie year

2009 16 games played (only season he played every game)
2010 15 games
2011 15 games
2012 12 games
2013 11 games


to we see a bad trend here or is he worth the 22 million a year?



steveishere  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:37:46 PM(UTC)
DoddPower said: Go to Quoted Post
What about the two most recent seasons?


What about them? Guy broke his thumb and came back before it was fully healed and re broke it. The only real recurring injury he's had is the hamstrings and he's missed a whopping 5 games from them in 5 years. The injury prone thing is getting a bit overblown. Either way saying "the going rate" is he'll miss 8 games is just stupid.
steveishere  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:43:56 PM(UTC)
dhazer said: Go to Quoted Post
Ok so a guy starts off with 2 games which he got 4 sacks each and the next 6 games he gets none, would he be an awesome pass rusher with an average of 1 a game or is it just an average player that got lucky?


Here is his games played starting from rookie year

2009 16 games played (only season he played every game)
2010 15 games
2011 15 games
2012 12 games
2013 11 games


to we see a bad trend here or is he worth the 22 million a year?





He does a hell of a lot more during a game than get sacks. You are crying about plays that happen 10-15ish times a season that's with like 800-1000 defensive plays total. Do you understand how ridiculous that is? You are going to have to come with a hell of a lot more than just sack totals. He didn't miss any games from injury in 2011 so he really played every game that year.

You are so misinformed it's just ridiculous. You are only off on his yearly average salary by about 9m but hey nice try. Dude's costing us 11m this year. GTFO till you know what you are talking about.
steveishere  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:00:54 PM(UTC)
lol trading him is a genius idea as well ([sarcasm] ) considering not only would it not save money while taking the best player off an already not great defense but it would cost an extra 6m against the cap to do so.
User is suspended until 5/28/2018 11:54:40 AM(UTC) DakotaT  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:01:30 PM(UTC)
So if Peppers is going to play one of the OLB positions, where will they play Perry? I wonder if he could do some thumping in the middle? God knows we haven't had a linebacker know the snot out of a running in a long time.
Zero2Cool  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:01:36 PM(UTC)
dhazer said: Go to Quoted Post
Ok so a guy starts off with 2 games which he got 4 sacks each and the next 6 games he gets none, would he be an awesome pass rusher with an average of 1 a game or is it just an average player that got lucky?


Here is his games played starting from rookie year

2009 16 games played (only season he played every game)
2010 15 games
2011 15 games
2012 12 games
2013 11 games


to we see a bad trend here or is he worth the 22 million a year?





I didn't see where you mentioned that in 2011 he was a healthy scratch. Why is that? Why would you exclude that? Would it be due to you trying to slant the facts to your opinion?


You can quit trying to validate someone being worth 22 million dollars a year because NO ONE is worth that, period.


I'm also struggling to see where he is bringing home said 22 million dollars a year. Closest i found was his signing bonus which we all know those get spread out.

4/17/2013: Signed a six-year, $69.73 million contract. The deal included a $20.5 million signing bonus. Matthews is eligible for annual $500,000 workout bonuses throughout the contract's life. He can earn $500,000 in annual per-game roster bonuses in years two through six.
2014: $1 million (+ $5 million roster bonus due in March),
2015: $7.6 million,
2016: $8.65 million,
2017: $10.1 million,
2018: $10.4 million,
2019: Free Agent
gbguy20  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:02:17 PM(UTC)
Its been said Peppers will play fewer than 800 snaps this season. I assume that leaves Perry for the rest.
buckeyepackfan  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:11:33 PM(UTC)


Who wants to get back on topic?

I can't believe The Packers haven't laid the whole 2014 season defensive game plan out for the media, fans and OPPOSING teams to go over.


MIS-INFORMATION PEOPLE!!!!!

Peppers isn't going to be an every down player.

What he will be is a nightmare for opposing DC's, not knowing just when and where he will be lining up.

With the guys The Packers have signed now, and probably a couple more additions thru the draft or FA, if they stay relatively healthy, hell we could be seeing different looks from series to series.

What he will bring is great veteran knowledge and leadership(which will be needed if Pickett and Jolly are not back).

steveishere  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:11:14 AM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
So if Peppers is going to play one of the OLB positions, where will they play Perry? I wonder if he could do some thumping in the middle? God knows we haven't had a linebacker know the snot out of a running in a long time.


Perry will probably be the starter but there will be plenty of snaps for a 3rd olb. It might even be a good idea to have perry and peppers at olb and throw clay in the middle here and there.
play2win  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, March 26, 2014 5:11:39 AM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post

Peppers isn't going to be an every down player.

What he will be is a nightmare for opposing DC's, not knowing just when and where he will be lining up.

With the guys The Packers have signed now, and probably a couple more additions thru the draft or FA, if they stay relatively healthy, hell we could be seeing different looks from series to series.

What he will bring is great veteran knowledge and leadership(which will be needed if Pickett and Jolly are not back).



Yep. Spot on buckeye. The beauty of having Peppers will be a vastly improved rotation, along with the ability to disguise looks to an opposing O.

What I think is really cool is that Peppers has been wanting to play in a 3-4 for years. Who cares if he has to drop back occasionally? He will be very tough to throw over. To have a guy with his talents, excited to be in a new defense, that should be something special to see, even if it is in rotation. Fewer snaps for everybody, solid play throughout with improved talent across the board. This could mean quite a lot to guys like Datone Jones, BJ Raji, Josh Boyd, Mike Daniels, Mike Neal and Nick Perry, not to mention Clay Matthews.

Add to it Peppers' sure motivation to win a ring, and this could get really interesting. Figure, he is a year younger right now than Reggie was when he won his ring. Should be fun to watch.
QCHuskerFan  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:07:05 AM(UTC)
dhazer said: Go to Quoted Post

2009 16 games played (only season he played every game)
2010 15 games
2011 15 games
2012 12 games
2013 11 games


to we see a bad trend here?



If we employ 3rd grade math, we would see this is a trend. And not a positive one.

To further act like 3rd graders, we could make excuses for individual years. But excuses don't change the trend. They just make us feel better about it.

It's just a trend. Clay can change it. But I believe it was in the back of TT's mind that when he signed Peppers, it was to insure an impact player would be available if Clay went down. Again. (Or if Perry gets hurt again.)
Wade  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:10:01 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Yep. Spot on buckeye. The beauty of having Peppers will be a vastly improved rotation, along with the ability to disguise looks to an opposing O.

What I think is really cool is that Peppers has been wanting to play in a 3-4 for years. Who cares if he has to drop back occasionally? He will be very tough to throw over. To have a guy with his talents, excited to be in a new defense, that should be something special to see, even if it is in rotation. Fewer snaps for everybody, solid play throughout with improved talent across the board. This could mean quite a lot to guys like Datone Jones, BJ Raji, Josh Boyd, Mike Daniels, Mike Neal and Nick Perry, not to mention Clay Matthews.

Add to it Peppers' sure motivation to win a ring, and this could get really interesting. Figure, he is a year younger right now than Reggie was when he won his ring. Should be fun to watch.


I'd probably replace "vastly improved rotation" with a more modest "improved rotation." I like the signing of Peppers quite a bit, but I consider him a tier 2 signing at this point in his career. He might have a tier 1A year left in him, and compared to the rest of the alternatives at LB/DE not named Matthews he is an upgrade, but even with him the team is, IMO, at best a middle-of-the-pack defense.

And, more likely, still below average.



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