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Offline wpr  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, April 2, 2014 8:50:33 PM(UTC)
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LombardiAve wrote:
With the NFL Draft about a month away and free agency still dribbling bits and pieces of news our way, it's time we concentrate once more on the future exploits of the Green Bay Packers and even more specifically today — Aaron Rodgers. Sans his broken collarbone last season, Rodgers was probably on his


Better OL=less sacks= Aaron picking apart defenses= wins.

GB had the 9th most sacks. Need to improve it along with hits, pressures and hurries.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 2:10:47 AM(UTC)
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NOT by becoming a run first team, that's for sure. They need to use Lacy, Starks, etc. as change of paces and to run clock with big leads late in the game.

I don't think anything too drastic needs to be done with the O-Line - just good health and consistency of personnel will help a lot.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 4:48:35 AM(UTC)
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Inside his helmet, place a 4-second timer, if he still has the ball after 4 seconds, ZAP his ears. That should solve the holding the ball too long issue and improve his play dramatically. He might even win a few games.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 5:45:18 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
NOT by becoming a run first team, that's for sure. They need to use Lacy, Starks, etc. as change of paces and to run clock with big leads late in the game.

I don't think anything too drastic needs to be done with the O-Line - just good health and consistency of personnel will help a lot.


If we don't see our running game used the exact opposite of what you are proposing, we're in trouble, and so is Rodgers.

Running early establishes a legitimate threat to run on any play, forcing defenses to play more honest as opposed to an all-out air assault that primes defenses to pin their ears back and rush Rodgers exclusively.

A solid running game with Lacy and Starks, used effectively early and often, will open up a lot of options for Rodgers in the passing game. Defenses will have to honor the run, and will have great difficulty covering the play action pass.

Running early and often also helps to wear out the opposing front seven, and helps your OL play more effectively. This will all help us get the big leads, and then we can go to Lacy and Starks to close out games.

Not sure if you realize this, but we have two equally adept studs on offense now, Rodgers and Lacy. Both could carry a team, and together they will. No longer are we in need of Rodgers putting up career numbers in order to win.

Rodgers could very well have one of his best years yet with a balanced attack of pass and run. Less double coverage, more long, sustained drives, more TOP. More opportunities. More scoring.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 8:25:58 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Inside his helmet, place a 4-second timer, if he still has the ball after 4 seconds, ZAP his ears. That should solve the holding the ball too long issue and improve his play dramatically. He might even win a few games.


Common now Zero. Aaron needs an impenetrable wall of human flesh in front of him. Don't you know that Mike and he want Aaron to break every Favre record? How else can he stat whore if he is not given the chance to hold the ball forever?
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#6 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 10:14:52 AM(UTC)
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Make him stop holding the ball for eternity.

Call shorter developing plays.


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#7 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 10:21:24 AM(UTC)
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I get sick of this CRAP about Rodgers holding the ball too long. I call that good judgment/avoiding putting it up for grabs/making plays with his legs etc.

And as for you 3 yards and a cloud of dust guys, I am so thankful that the Packers do NOT have that kind of run first philosophy. Let the losers do that shit. If we can get things under control even a little bit with our D, just keeping on doing what we do with our offense will make the Packers virtually unbeatable.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 12:28:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
I get sick of this CRAP about Rodgers holding the ball too long. I call that good judgment/avoiding putting it up for grabs/making plays with his legs etc.

And as for you 3 yards and a cloud of dust guys, I am so thankful that the Packers do NOT have that kind of run first philosophy. Let the losers do that shit. If we can get things under control even a little bit with our D, just keeping on doing what we do with our offense will make the Packers virtually unbeatable.


Good judgement is passing up wide open guys underneath in order to throw deep?

Make Aaron adhere to fundamentals. High percentage plays. Add in some screens. Guys like Franklin and Harris have enough speed and elusiveness to turn any well blocked screen into a big play. And burn clock.

You can take your shots downfield when the D cheats up to nab screens and chuck our wideouts. Those opportunities will come.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 12:49:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Good judgement is passing up wide open guys underneath in order to throw deep?

Make Aaron adhere to fundamentals. High percentage plays. Add in some screens. Guys like Franklin and Harris have enough speed and elusiveness to turn any well blocked screen into a big play. And burn clock.

You can take your shots downfield when the D cheats up to nab screens and chuck our wideouts. Those opportunities will come.


He throws the short high percentage plays underneath as much as anyone else. What are you even talking about? On top of that they routinely have one of the most efficient deep passing attacks of any team int he league. Rodgers is fine how he is and the offense is fine how it is.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 1:09:58 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
He throws the short high percentage plays underneath as much as anyone else. What are you even talking about? On top of that they routinely have one of the most efficient deep passing attacks of any team int he league. Rodgers is fine how he is and the offense is fine how it is.


Watch the first Q of the playoff game this past year. Too many damn lulls.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 1:58:55 PM(UTC)
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Since the thread asks what the Green Bay Packers can do for Rodgers (rather than what Rodgers can do to be better) I will go with this:

OFFENSE
1) Get a good Center in the draft to create competition there and let the best man win. This also builds depth at the position rather than have to shuffle starters around due to injury.

2) Get a good TE in the draft that can both block and run the seam route. This opens things up for Arod and the WR's.

DEFENSE
1) Draft the best Safety and ILB they can get. Any other D players that are good would be a bonus.

2) Get more three and outs and create better field position so Arod has more chances to do what he does and not have to carry the team on his damn back.

When the Oline is in tune and blocking for Lacy and he's having a good game it helps Rodgers immensely. When the D is creating turnovers and getting the 3 and outs they win.

It's when there's no run game and the D can't make a damn stop on third down that Arod is forced to carry the team on his back. In these times if he doesn't make plays we lose.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 2:41:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Watch the first Q of the playoff game this past year. Too many damn lulls.


His 5th quarter of football in 9 weeks. That's not really a great segment to use as an example considering the circumstances. Not to mention that the offensive line play at the beginning of that game was just embarrassing.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 4:25:03 PM(UTC)
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I really really .... really*n want to see Rodgers come back in the 4th qtr and win a game by himself.
One of those scenarios where you are losing by 4 with 3 minutes left and he completes 8 of 9 passes for a game winning TD.

I think he has never done that in his life. And I think such an achievement will boost his game a lot.

So what can the Packers do? Easy, just make sure we are losing in the last 3 minutes!



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#14 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 4:42:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: luigis Go to Quoted Post
I really really .... really*n want to see Rodgers come back in the 4th qtr and win a game by himself.
One of those scenarios where you are losing by 4 with 3 minutes left and he completes 8 of 9 passes for a game winning TD.

I think he has never done that in his life. And I think such an achievement will boost his game a lot.

So what can the Packers do? Easy, just make sure we are losing in the last 3 minutes!





He did it in college.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 4:59:24 PM(UTC)
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How to make Rodgers better, put me as a CB on every team he faces.

On a serious note. Keep Lacy in the backfield with Rodgers under center. Play action is so much more effective than when in the short gun. Forces the LBers to play closer opening up the field for the WR. Can also get rid of the ball even quicker making slants more difficult to defend, also opening up the slugo.

And the better the run game, the better Rodgers will be.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 5:28:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: luigis Go to Quoted Post
I really really .... really*n want to see Rodgers come back in the 4th qtr and win a game by himself.
One of those scenarios where you are losing by 4 with 3 minutes left and he completes 8 of 9 passes for a game winning TD.

I think he has never done that in his life. And I think such an achievement will boost his game a lot.

So what can the Packers do? Easy, just make sure we are losing in the last 3 minutes!





You mean like the last game of the season when they were losing to Chicago and needed 3 4th down conversions in 1 drive ending with a TD pass with less than a minute left?
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#17 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 8:58:47 PM(UTC)
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I'm really not sure what the Packers can do to make Aaron a better quarterback. He is phenomenal. I am however, very curious to see if/how he scrambles this year. He was really timid after coming back from the broken collarbone, and honestly who can blame him for that? But I want to see if he is his same old self when September rolls around. I certainly hope so, because I really didn't like seeing Chicago send the house to take advantage of his fear of leaving the pocket.

...

As for this article: What on earth did it accomplish? Seriously, first it said the Pack NEED to resign at least one of Kuhn, Pickett, and Jolly. I don't see how that is essential, but whatever... we resigned Kuhn, so I guess I can put a check in that box.

Next they dropped this gem, "So, the Packers make Rodgers a better quarterback by improving its defense, special teams and running game. They control the line of scrimmage and they win. Sounds like a simple strategy … and it really is."

Apparently there is something I'm missing here. It's simple, all they have to do is be better in literally all phases! Additionally, succeed in the trenches and you've got it made.
It feels like the author told me that all we have to do to make Aaron better is eliminate any shortcomings and inadequacies of the team, and make sure to play great football.
Right.
I think I'm in the wrong profession... couldn't most of us write articles like this one?
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#18 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 11:35:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
You mean like the last game of the season when they were losing to Chicago and needed 3 4th down conversions in 1 drive ending with a TD pass with less than a minute left?


I was thinking this as well when I read that post. That was epic to see - I think I lost my voice on that one haha!
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#19 Posted : Friday, April 4, 2014 5:23:50 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: luigis Go to Quoted Post
I really really .... really*n want to see Rodgers come back in the 4th qtr and win a game by himself.
One of those scenarios where you are losing by 4 with 3 minutes left and he completes 8 of 9 passes for a game winning TD.

I think he has never done that in his life. And I think such an achievement will boost his game a lot.

So what can the Packers do? Easy, just make sure we are losing in the last 3 minutes!


The last drive against the Bears as others mentioned. Looks like he was 5 of 8, but the Packers were only down by one point at the time of the drive.

1st and 10 at GB 13 (Shotgun) E.Lacy right tackle to GB 15 for 2 yards (C.Wootton).
2nd and 8 at GB 15 (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to E.Lacy to GB 22 for 7 yards (L.Briggs; I.Frey).
3rd and 1 at GB 22 (Shotgun) E.Lacy left guard to GB 22 for no gain (J.Ratliff). Measurement.
4th and 1 at GB 22 J.Kuhn right tackle to GB 23 for 1 yard (Ja.Anderson). Measurement.
1st and 10 at GB 23 A.Rodgers pass short left to J.Jones to GB 30 for 7 yards (I.Frey).
2nd and 3 at GB 30 (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to J.Jones.
3rd and 3 at GB 30 (Shotgun) A.Rodgers scrambles left guard to GB 35 for 5 yards (L.Briggs).
1st and 10 at GB 35 (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to J.Nelson to GB 42 for 7 yards (M.Wright).
2nd and 3 at GB 42 (Shotgun) E.Lacy left tackle to GB 44 for 2 yards (L.Cohen).
3rd and 1 at GB 44 (Shotgun) E.Lacy left end to GB 44 for no gain (Ja.Anderson).
4th and 1 at GB 44 (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to J.Nelson to 50 for 6 yards (Z.Bowman).
1st and 10 at 50 (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep left to A.Quarless.
2nd and 10 at 50 (Shotgun) E.Lacy left end to CHI 48 for 2 yards (S.McClellin).
3rd and 8 at CHI 48 (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep right to J.Nelson (T.Jennings).
4th and 8 at CHI 48 (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass deep left to R.Cobb for 48 yards, TOUCHDOWN.





Another comeback late in the game against Bears opening season 2009. He was 4 of 5, but the Packers were only down by 2 points at the time of the drive.

1st and 10 at GNB 28 (Shotgun) R.Grant left tackle to GB 34 for 6 yards (A.Adams).
2nd and 4 at GNB 34 (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to G.Jennings to GB 41 for 7 yards (N.Vasher, A.Brown).
1st and 10 at GNB 41 (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to J.Nelson.
2nd and 10 at GNB 41 (Shotgun) A.Rodgers right end to 50 for 9 yards (D.Manning).
Timeout #1 by GB at 01:18.
3rd and 1 at 50 A.Rodgers pass deep left to G.Jennings for 50 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
TWO-POINT CONVERSION ATTEMPT. A.Rodgers pass to G.Jennings is complete. ATTEMPT SUCCEEDS.
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#20 Posted : Friday, April 4, 2014 5:25:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: StoicFire Go to Quoted Post
I'm really not sure what the Packers can do to make Aaron a better quarterback. He is phenomenal. I am however, very curious to see if/how he scrambles this year. He was really timid after coming back from the broken collarbone, and honestly who can blame him for that? But I want to see if he is his same old self when September rolls around. I certainly hope so, because I really didn't like seeing Chicago send the house to take advantage of his fear of leaving the pocket.

...

As for this article: What on earth did it accomplish? Seriously, first it said the Pack NEED to resign at least one of Kuhn, Pickett, and Jolly. I don't see how that is essential, but whatever... we resigned Kuhn, so I guess I can put a check in that box.

Next they dropped this gem, "So, the Packers make Rodgers a better quarterback by improving its defense, special teams and running game. They control the line of scrimmage and they win. Sounds like a simple strategy … and it really is."

Apparently there is something I'm missing here. It's simple, all they have to do is be better in literally all phases! Additionally, succeed in the trenches and you've got it made.
It feels like the author told me that all we have to do to make Aaron better is eliminate any shortcomings and inadequacies of the team, and make sure to play great football.
Right.
I think I'm in the wrong profession... couldn't most of us write articles like this one?


Your point is well taken. Keep in mind the writers at Lombardiave.com are not on the same level as ESPN or CBS Sports or the other major media outlets. It is a blog and I would not be surprised if they did not receive any compensation at all. They may since it it tied to SI and there are ads on the site but I am sure they have to have a real job as well. That doesn't mean they should not be held accountable at all. Don't look for a lot of substance you probably won't find it.
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#21 Posted : Friday, April 4, 2014 4:40:37 PM(UTC)
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Your point is well taken. Keep in mind the writers at Lombardiave.com are not on the same level as ESPN or CBS Sports or the other major media outlets. It is a blog and I would not be surprised if they did not receive any compensation at all. They may since it it tied to SI and there are ads on the site but I am sure they have to have a real job as well. That doesn't mean they should not be held accountable at all. Don't look for a lot of substance you probably won't find it.


Getting paid has very little to do with being a good writer or not. A lot of people in here and other forums have more to say and say it better than the overrated media types.

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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
He throws the short high percentage plays underneath as much as anyone else. What are you even talking about? On top of that they routinely have one of the most efficient deep passing attacks of any team int he league. Rodgers is fine how he is and the offense is fine how it is.


Rodgers does often hold on to the ball too long. He doesn't throw in to double coverage (good thing), but he's never been very fond of escaping trouble by dumping the ball of to a back (bad thing). As a result, he takes sacks while trying to buy time for one of his receivers to get open. On the play where he got hurt last year, he held on to the ball at least 4 seconds. That's too long.

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#24 Posted : Friday, April 4, 2014 6:59:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: joemailman Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers does often hold on to the ball too long. He doesn't throw in to double coverage (good thing), but he's never been very fond of escaping trouble by dumping the ball of to a back (bad thing). As a result, he takes sacks while trying to buy time for one of his receivers to get open. On the play where he got hurt last year, he held on to the ball at least 4 seconds. That's too long.



He holds the ball but not because he's always looking for a deep pass or some garbage. If nobody is open right away he looks to extend the play with his feet to either scramble or throw when someone is open. Rodgers throws the underneath passes as much as any other QB in the league that isn't a check down specialist. I don't think we would like the look of this offense if all he did after 3 seconds was throw it to someone who is covered or throw it away.
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I don't think that Rodgers doesn't like going with checkdowns to his RBs, it's just that RB has been so up and down the past few seasons he just doesn't have any confidence in the guys back there. He was more than willing to go to Benson, Lacy and Harris on checks once they showed they were reliable. But then Benson got hurt, the season ended with Harris and then he missed last year and Rodgers was out most of last season.
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