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Offline play2win  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 8, 2014 1:00:06 PM(UTC)
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R1 21. Kelvin Benjamin WR Florida State 6-5 235
R2 53. DaQuan Jones DT Penn State 6-4 322
R3 85. Jonathan Dowling FS Western Kentucky 6-3 190
R3 98. Telvin Smith ILB Florida State 6-3 218
R4 104. Bryan Stork OC Florida State 6-4 315 (trade with NYJ for pick 161, 236 and 2015 R3 selection)
R4 121. Ahmad Dixon SS Baylor 6-0 212
R5 161. (traded to NYJ)
R5 176. Beau Allen DT Wisconsin 6-3 334
R6 197. Jeremy Gallon WR/KR Michigan 5-8 184
R7 236. (traded to NYJ)

I would love to see this happen. Whoa man! Ride this sucker to the Super Bowl!

Alright! Let's see some more!!! It's all fun. It's all good! [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]
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R1 21. Kelvin Benjamin WR Florida State 6-5 235
R2 53. DaQuan Jones DT Penn State 6-4 322
R3 85. Jonathan Dowling FS Western Kentucky 6-3 190
R3 98. Telvin Smith ILB Florida State 6-3 218
R4 104. Bryan Stork OC Florida State 6-4 315 (trade with NYJ for pick 161, 236 and 2015 R3 selection)
R4 121. Ahmad Dixon SS Baylor 6-0 212
R5 161. (traded to NYJ)
R5 176. Beau Allen DT Wisconsin 6-3 334
R6 197. Jeremy Gallon WR/KR Michigan 5-8 184
R7 236. (traded to NYJ)

I would love to see this happen. Whoa man! Ride this sucker to the Super Bowl!

Alright! Let's see some more!!! It's all fun. It's all good! [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]


I like it!
The Dowling kid has great size but can he play right out the gate?
I'd love to get Gallon as a kick return specialist. When we have a Michigan Wolverine on the roster we are just about Guaranteed a Lombardi.

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I like it!
The Dowling kid has great size but can he play right out the gate?
I'd love to get Gallon as a kick return specialist. When we have a Michigan Wolverine on the roster we are just about Guaranteed a Lombardi.



Add to that the kid is one hell of a receiver too! He would make a great addition as Cobb's backup in the slot.

Jeremy Gallon
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four-year letterman ...appeared in 51 contests at wide receiver and kick and punt returner, making 25 starts ... holds the program record for receiving yards in a single season (1,373 yards) ... holds the Big Ten record for receiving yards in a single game (369) ... has recorded a reception in 39 consecutive games ... has recorded at least four receptions in 17 of his last 18 contests.

http://www.mgoblue.com/s...eremy_gallon_470873.html

BTW, i guess my wish list at SS could include Deone Bucannon 6-1 211 out of Washington State. Solid tackler, over 100 tackles 2 seasons in a row. 6 picks last year tied for Pac 12 lead. 3 FFs, 3 FRs. Seems like a real football player, with decent size.
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Okay, here's the one I'm going with. FWIW I used first-pick.com (after they tightened up the trade rules, but it is still too easy IMO to trade). But since anything I would come up would be even worse, and since I think this is a year for trading down from #21, here goes....

Your Picks:
Trade Round 1#21 to Tampa Bay for Round 2 #6 and Round 3 #5.
Trade Round 2 #6 to NYGiants for Round 2 #11 and Round 3 #10.
Trade Round 2 #11 to New Orleans for Round 2#26 and Round 3#27.
Round 2 Pick 21: Weston Richburg, C, Colorado State
Round 2 Pick 26 (N.O.): Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU
Trade Round 3 #5 to Dallas for Round 3 #7 and Round 7 #23.
Trade Round 3 #7 to St. Louis for Round 3 #11 and Round 7 #26.
Round 3 Pick 10 (NYG): Yawin Smallwood, ILB, Connecticut
Round 3 Pick 11 (STL): Telvin Smith, OLB, Florida State
Round 3 Pick 21: C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa
Round 3 Pick 27 (N.O.): Daniel McCullers, DT, Tennessee
Round 3 Pick 34 (COMP): Anthony Steen, OG, Alabama
Round 4 Pick 21: Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State
Round 5 Pick 21: Brent Urban, DE, Virginia
Round 5 Pick 36 (COMP): Nat Berhe, SS, San Diego State
Round 6 Pick 21: Nickoe Whitley, FS, Mississippi State
Round 7 Pick 21: Dri Archer, WR, Kent State
Round 7 Pick 23 (DAL): Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma
Round 7 Pick 26 (STL): De'Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon

My general strategy was driven by the following:
1. Most of the people penciled in as possible at 21 or later to fill GB needs (e.g. Nix) are overvalued. The one exception for me is Mosley, but in the end I gave up Mosley because...

2. I think the real wealth of this draft (not counting picks 1-15) is between mid-2nd and the end of the third. But I also think it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that given other teams competing for players between #21 and mid 2nd could if cards "fell right", #21 could be used to pick 2 or even 3 picks in this wealth range. (Though I'm skeptical of getting 4 extra as I got here).

3. I think FS (the biggest shortcoming of my draft here) is very thin after Clinton-Dix and Pryor, and I think Pryor belongs in the early 2nd. To my mind none of the rest of the FS represents enough on the "replace Nick Collins" scale to warrant anything before the 4th. (Indeed, the only safety I saw as 4th or better after those two is SS Dixon from Baylor.) There might be some small school guy I don't know about who is the Nick Collins of this draft (I never heard of Collins before he was drafted either), but of the usuals suspects people name, Bailey/Dowling/et al, I think they're late 5th quality or less.

4. I think the DTs/DEs that would go between #1 at 21 and #2 at 21 are also somewhat overrated (especially Nix, IMO), though there's a lot of mid- and late 2nd people there.

5. I ultimately ended up more "best available player" than I thought I would. I never expected to pick a WR in the second, but when Landry fell, I couldn't not go for it. (If he hadn't been available, I wouldn't have gone WR until late fourth or even fifth (would have aimed at Grant from Tulane or Jones from Notre Dame).

6. Biggest reach for me probably was Steen at OG. (No one should be surprised that I wanted two high OL picks, given my past advocacy.) If Mewhort had lasted, I might have foregone Landry in the 2nd; but the guy I really wanted was James from Tennessee.

7. My thought with getting the extra 7ths was to get a jump on the FA signings. I wanted to get some "change of pace" speed back/WR and so wanted either Archer or Thomas; but jumped on both when Archer fell that late.

8. I can't believe I didn't draft more than two OL, actually, especially with all the picks in rounds 2,3, and 4. But there was always a BPA when I came up. And the difference between my knowledge of 6th/7th OL and undrafted FA OL isn't enough to warrant a flyer in those rounds. So late I went with "bodies at position/role of need" or "left on board because of injury/character concerns".

9. FWIW, here is my draft with no trades at all (without the extra picks, more abandonment of BPA):

Round 1: Mosley, Alabama, ILB
Round 2: Richburg, Colo State, C
Round 3a: Smith, Florida State, OLB
Round 3b: McCullers, Tennessee, DT
Round 4: Dixon, SS, Baylor.
Round 5a: Jones, WR, Notre Dame.
Round 5b: Urschel, OG, Penn State. (I *really* didn't like the choices here -- everyone available looked like a reach -- but was stuck with the pick, so reverted to my "OL OL OL" knee jerking.)
Round 6: Whitley, FS, Mississippi State.
Round 7:Colvin, CB, Oklahoma.


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Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
Okay, here's the one I'm going with. FWIW I used first-pick.com (after they tightened up the trade rules, but it is still too easy IMO to trade). But since anything I would come up would be even worse, and since I think this is a year for trading down from #21, here goes....

Your Picks:
Trade Round 1#21 to Tampa Bay for Round 2 #6 and Round 3 #5.
Trade Round 2 #6 to NYGiants for Round 2 #11 and Round 3 #10.
Trade Round 2 #11 to New Orleans for Round 2#26 and Round 3#27.
Round 2 Pick 21: Weston Richburg, C, Colorado State
Round 2 Pick 26 (N.O.): Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU
Trade Round 3 #5 to Dallas for Round 3 #7 and Round 7 #23.
Trade Round 3 #7 to St. Louis for Round 3 #11 and Round 7 #26.
Round 3 Pick 10 (NYG): Yawin Smallwood, ILB, Connecticut
Round 3 Pick 11 (STL): Telvin Smith, OLB, Florida State
Round 3 Pick 21: C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa
Round 3 Pick 27 (N.O.): Daniel McCullers, DT, Tennessee
Round 3 Pick 34 (COMP): Anthony Steen, OG, Alabama
Round 4 Pick 21: Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State
Round 5 Pick 21: Brent Urban, DE, Virginia
Round 5 Pick 36 (COMP): Nat Berhe, SS, San Diego State
Round 6 Pick 21: Nickoe Whitley, FS, Mississippi State
Round 7 Pick 21: Dri Archer, WR, Kent State
Round 7 Pick 23 (DAL): Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma
Round 7 Pick 26 (STL): De'Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon

My general strategy was driven by the following:
1. Most of the people penciled in as possible at 21 or later to fill GB needs (e.g. Nix) are overvalued. The one exception for me is Mosley, but in the end I gave up Mosley because...

2. I think the real wealth of this draft (not counting picks 1-15) is between mid-2nd and the end of the third. But I also think it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that given other teams competing for players between #21 and mid 2nd could if cards "fell right", #21 could be used to pick 2 or even 3 picks in this wealth range. (Though I'm skeptical of getting 4 extra as I got here).

3. I think FS (the biggest shortcoming of my draft here) is very thin after Clinton-Dix and Pryor, and I think Pryor belongs in the early 2nd. To my mind none of the rest of the FS represents enough on the "replace Nick Collins" scale to warrant anything before the 4th. (Indeed, the only safety I saw as 4th or better after those two is SS Dixon from Baylor.) There might be some small school guy I don't know about who is the Nick Collins of this draft (I never heard of Collins before he was drafted either), but of the usuals suspects people name, Bailey/Dowling/et al, I think they're late 5th quality or less.

4. I think the DTs/DEs that would go between #1 at 21 and #2 at 21 are also somewhat overrated (especially Nix, IMO), though there's a lot of mid- and late 2nd people there.

5. I ultimately ended up more "best available player" than I thought I would. I never expected to pick a WR in the second, but when Landry fell, I couldn't not go for it. (If he hadn't been available, I wouldn't have gone WR until late fourth or even fifth (would have aimed at Grant from Tulane or Jones from Notre Dame).

6. Biggest reach for me probably was Steen at OG. (No one should be surprised that I wanted two high OL picks, given my past advocacy.) If Mewhort had lasted, I might have foregone Landry in the 2nd; but the guy I really wanted was James from Tennessee.

7. My thought with getting the extra 7ths was to get a jump on the FA signings. I wanted to get some "change of pace" speed back/WR and so wanted either Archer or Thomas; but jumped on both when Archer fell that late.

8. I can't believe I didn't draft more than two OL, actually, especially with all the picks in rounds 2,3, and 4. But there was always a BPA when I came up. And the difference between my knowledge of 6th/7th OL and undrafted FA OL isn't enough to warrant a flyer in those rounds. So late I went with "bodies at position/role of need" or "left on board because of injury/character concerns".

9. FWIW, here is my draft with no trades at all (without the extra picks, more abandonment of BPA):

Round 1: Mosley, Alabama, ILB
Round 2: Richburg, Colo State, C
Round 3a: Smith, Florida State, OLB
Round 3b: McCullers, Tennessee, DT
Round 4: Dixon, SS, Baylor.
Round 5a: Jones, WR, Notre Dame.
Round 5b: Urschel, OG, Penn State. (I *really* didn't like the choices here -- everyone available looked like a reach -- but was stuck with the pick, so reverted to my "OL OL OL" knee jerking.)
Round 6: Whitley, FS, Mississippi State.
Round 7:Colvin, CB, Oklahoma.



A mistake compounded by more mistakes to trade down. I'd expect that of Ted Thompson, but not of you, Wade.

As for your no trade version, a little bit better, but no more than a shot in the dark at solving the Safety problem, while picking up a lot that we really don't need IMO - Center, D-Line, WR, Corner.

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texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
A mistake compounded by more mistakes to trade down. I'd expect that of Ted Thompson, but not of you, Wade.

As for your no trade version, a little bit better, but no more than a shot in the dark at solving the Safety problem, while picking up a lot that we really don't need IMO - Center, D-Line, WR, Corner.



IMO we do need a center. Everyone is so convinced we have a potential late rounder who is the solution. I want more than that going in to the season. And IMO Richburg was the best center out there. I thought long and hard about taking him at both #11 and #6. He may bomb, but right now I think he's got "10-year starter" look all over him. Which, as you know, is not something I think of many of the current OL on the Packer roster.

I might have taken Mewhort at OT instead, but he was gone in the draft by #6, and that to me was too high for someone who had less upside than Richburg does.

And as for DL, Daniels is good, and then we have...unproven guys and BJ Raji. To me this is major need.

WR, I agree with you on, but IMO when you've got value at a position at a half round or perhaps more earlier than the pick is available, it was hard not to pull the trigger. And the other WR is a late 7th for someone who might offer speed the team doesnt have -- either at WR or KR/PR. A flyer.

As for the corner pick, its a 7th rounder on someone who before the season was talked of as first round potential. A pure flyer,essentially an unsigned FA.

I agree the lack of FS is a problem. But, IMO, Clinton-Nix is long gone before the Packers can get him without major sacrifice. And Pryor for me is a reach until the second. And, IMO, everyone after that is a reach until well past the third round. Even given the shjt that is the team at FS, I don't think anyone out there is substantially better than Berhe (who played both FS and SS)/Whitley possibilities. The last thing we need is spending a second or third or even a fourth on a guy who has two or more of the following: takes bad angles, lacks closing speed, and/or bad tackler. And from what I've read, all of the others do.

Now if you want to say Mosley is a better solution at ILB than Smallwood plus Jones, I can see that. But being able to have both of those plus a top WR and Telvin Smith or Fiedorwitz, I think the decision is pretty hard.

I was surprised myself at my trade down proclivities here. But, as I said, I think late 1st early 2nd in general, and especially in the draft, and there is amazing value out there between picks 45 and 100 or so this year. Given the number of team needs, being able to add four or more picks in that range I couldn't pass by.



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Having 9 picks in this draft I believe I am beginning to think less and less of us trading back in the first round
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Having 9 picks in this draft I believe I am beginning to think less and less of us trading back in the first round


I wouldn't be surprised to see them trade back, and I hope they do.

Load up on 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounders.

Package some later round picks to get into the 4th or some creative method.

Folks are saying this is one of the deepest drafts in a long time.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see them trade back, and I hope they do.

Load up on 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounders.

Package some later round picks to get into the 4th or some creative method.

Folks are saying this is one of the deepest drafts in a long time.


Even before they awarded a 3rd rounder, I figured we'd end up with 4 picks in the first three rounds this year. Now I'm starting to wonder if we'll end up with 5 or more.
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Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
Okay, here's the one I'm going with. FWIW I used first-pick.com (after they tightened up the trade rules, but it is still too easy IMO to trade). But since anything I would come up would be even worse, and since I think this is a year for trading down from #21, here goes....

Your Picks:
Trade Round 1#21 to Tampa Bay for Round 2 #6 and Round 3 #5.
Trade Round 2 #6 to NYGiants for Round 2 #11 and Round 3 #10.
Trade Round 2 #11 to New Orleans for Round 2#26 and Round 3#27.
Round 2 Pick 21: Weston Richburg, C, Colorado State
Round 2 Pick 26 (N.O.): Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU
Trade Round 3 #5 to Dallas for Round 3 #7 and Round 7 #23.
Trade Round 3 #7 to St. Louis for Round 3 #11 and Round 7 #26.
Round 3 Pick 10 (NYG): Yawin Smallwood, ILB, Connecticut
Round 3 Pick 11 (STL): Telvin Smith, OLB, Florida State
Round 3 Pick 21: C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa
Round 3 Pick 27 (N.O.): Daniel McCullers, DT, Tennessee
Round 3 Pick 34 (COMP): Anthony Steen, OG, Alabama
Round 4 Pick 21: Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State
Round 5 Pick 21: Brent Urban, DE, Virginia
Round 5 Pick 36 (COMP): Nat Berhe, SS, San Diego State
Round 6 Pick 21: Nickoe Whitley, FS, Mississippi State
Round 7 Pick 21: Dri Archer, WR, Kent State
Round 7 Pick 23 (DAL): Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma
Round 7 Pick 26 (STL): De'Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon

My general strategy was driven by the following:
1. Most of the people penciled in as possible at 21 or later to fill GB needs (e.g. Nix) are overvalued. The one exception for me is Mosley, but in the end I gave up Mosley because...

2. I think the real wealth of this draft (not counting picks 1-15) is between mid-2nd and the end of the third. But I also think it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that given other teams competing for players between #21 and mid 2nd could if cards "fell right", #21 could be used to pick 2 or even 3 picks in this wealth range. (Though I'm skeptical of getting 4 extra as I got here).

3. I think FS (the biggest shortcoming of my draft here) is very thin after Clinton-Dix and Pryor, and I think Pryor belongs in the early 2nd. To my mind none of the rest of the FS represents enough on the "replace Nick Collins" scale to warrant anything before the 4th. (Indeed, the only safety I saw as 4th or better after those two is SS Dixon from Baylor.) There might be some small school guy I don't know about who is the Nick Collins of this draft (I never heard of Collins before he was drafted either), but of the usuals suspects people name, Bailey/Dowling/et al, I think they're late 5th quality or less.

4. I think the DTs/DEs that would go between #1 at 21 and #2 at 21 are also somewhat overrated (especially Nix, IMO), though there's a lot of mid- and late 2nd people there.

5. I ultimately ended up more "best available player" than I thought I would. I never expected to pick a WR in the second, but when Landry fell, I couldn't not go for it. (If he hadn't been available, I wouldn't have gone WR until late fourth or even fifth (would have aimed at Grant from Tulane or Jones from Notre Dame).

6. Biggest reach for me probably was Steen at OG. (No one should be surprised that I wanted two high OL picks, given my past advocacy.) If Mewhort had lasted, I might have foregone Landry in the 2nd; but the guy I really wanted was James from Tennessee.

7. My thought with getting the extra 7ths was to get a jump on the FA signings. I wanted to get some "change of pace" speed back/WR and so wanted either Archer or Thomas; but jumped on both when Archer fell that late.

8. I can't believe I didn't draft more than two OL, actually, especially with all the picks in rounds 2,3, and 4. But there was always a BPA when I came up. And the difference between my knowledge of 6th/7th OL and undrafted FA OL isn't enough to warrant a flyer in those rounds. So late I went with "bodies at position/role of need" or "left on board because of injury/character concerns".

9. FWIW, here is my draft with no trades at all (without the extra picks, more abandonment of BPA):

Round 1: Mosley, Alabama, ILB
Round 2: Richburg, Colo State, C
Round 3a: Smith, Florida State, OLB
Round 3b: McCullers, Tennessee, DT
Round 4: Dixon, SS, Baylor.
Round 5a: Jones, WR, Notre Dame.
Round 5b: Urschel, OG, Penn State. (I *really* didn't like the choices here -- everyone available looked like a reach -- but was stuck with the pick, so reverted to my "OL OL OL" knee jerking.)
Round 6: Whitley, FS, Mississippi State.
Round 7:Colvin, CB, Oklahoma.




Wade, I was thinking more on the realist side vs. the crazy game approach, so I was glad to see your straight up picks.

I agree with you on many team needs, and especially like the idea of adding WR as insurance should we suffer an injury there.

C is super important too for the same reason.

Then at S we have differing opinions. I happen to think Ha-Ha and Pryor may be overhyped, and like some of the other Safeties better. Except Ahmad Dixon. I hope like hell we draft him!
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