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mi_keys  
#21 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 10:10:48 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, I've seen him in the 10-15 range. But, stocks do fall, and maybe his does. I still question whether or not he is all of that. Is it his SEC experience that is driving up his stock? Because, to me, there are a handful more guys playing the position with equal or better skills/measureables. Pure, layman's fan perspective though. Sure, he is a good player and I would't mind at all if he were our pick. Not one bit.

Agree on the mocks. I haven't seen him falling.


I don't watch enough college football outside of the Badgers to claim to be anything approaching an expert. So we're discussing layman to layman.

I'm curious who you look at with equal or better skills/measurables. Pryor is two inches shorter and ran the same 40 time. He looks and tested stronger. I love his hits but despise that he never appears to wrap up. We've seen enough missed tackles the past few years. Maybe that could be fixed with coaching, though. I'd be happy with Pryor as well.

Terrence Brooks looks like he has fantastic speed and range. He's two inches shorter but tested much better in the vertical. I read he had trouble catching the ball and also doesn't like to wrap up. He'd probably be a good shout on the second day.

Maybe you mean some of the guys that are projected a little bit later?

In any event, he seems like a good all-around safety prospect. I like his pedigree and what I read about him. Then again, it would be fair to say some of the Alabama and other SEC prospects have been overhyped coming out (thankfully, that wasn't the case with Lacy).

I actually like Mosley and would hope to get one of the other guys later but I am a little worried about Mosley's injury history.
play2win  
#22 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:49:32 PM(UTC)
mi_keys said: Go to Quoted Post
I don't watch enough college football outside of the Badgers to claim to be anything approaching an expert. So we're discussing layman to layman.

I'm curious who you look at with equal or better skills/measurables. Pryor is two inches shorter and ran the same 40 time. He looks and tested stronger. I love his hits but despise that he never appears to wrap up. We've seen enough missed tackles the past few years. Maybe that could be fixed with coaching, though. I'd be happy with Pryor as well.

Terrence Brooks looks like he has fantastic speed and range. He's two inches shorter but tested much better in the vertical. I read he had trouble catching the ball and also doesn't like to wrap up. He'd probably be a good shout on the second day.

Maybe you mean some of the guys that are projected a little bit later?

In any event, he seems like a good all-around safety prospect. I like his pedigree and what I read about him. Then again, it would be fair to say some of the Alabama and other SEC prospects have been overhyped coming out (thankfully, that wasn't the case with Lacy).

I actually like Mosley and would hope to get one of the other guys later but I am a little worried about Mosley's injury history.


Yeah mi_keys, I like SS Deone Bucannon 6-1 211 out of Washington State, FS Jonathan Dowling 6-3 198 out of Western Kentucky, FS Ed Reynolds 6-1 207 out of Stanford, and SS Ahmad Dixon 6-0 212 out of Baylor - all of them as much or more than Clinton-Dix or Pryor. I would say Reynolds if only for the size in projecting him to the NFL and what we are seeing today. The others, Bucannon, Dowling and Dixon are all super solid tacklers and have a knack for picking the ball or forcing TOs.

Clinton-Dix is a 4.54-4.58 guys speed wise, had 56 tackles, 2 INTs last season and 6 passes defended. Was also suspended for 2 games. That gives me some pause, when we are talking top 10-15 in draft order.

Compare to Bucannon's 4.49 40 time, 78 solo tackles (114 total), 6 INTs (15 on his career), 3 FFs, has a larger presence about him. I consider him the #1 S in this draft.


Dowling's 40 time was 4.52, 67 tackles, 3 INTs (9 on career), 6 FFs 7 passes defended. Watch the hit on this QB, The 3 picks, the strip from behind on a jail break play, then skip the last video and erase it from your memory! [laughing]
http://www.arrowheadprid...ling-fs-western-kentucky

Dixon posted a 4.64 40 time, but he ran a 4.48 in his workout and has run a 4.39. 81 tackles (288 career), 1 INT (4 career) and 1 FF. This guy is just super strong at sniffing out run plays and crushing them. Solid, fast, willing tackler with an attitude.


BTW, don't get me wrong. I will be happy to get any of the guys we've mentioned, as I believe we will improve greatly having just one of these players added to our D. I'd love for us to add two.
Wade  
#23 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:19:18 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Buckeye, since Clinton-Dix actually DID last until #21 in your stand pat draft, why would you say you don't think he will last that long? In most of the mock drafts I've seen, he is still there. I like that one of yours mainly because you went back for another Safety in the 3rd round too.

Wade, as I have said, with the Packer propensity to cross-train O-Linemen to play Center and to not do a lot of sophisticated stuff from the Center position, I really don't think they should or will draft a Center until very late if at all.


Well, I wasn't trying to predict what they will do, only my particular version of what I would do (or, maybe, what I want them to do).

The only time I correctly predicted one of TT's draft pick's was A J Hawk.

(And it wasn't the one I wanted/argued for either.)

I do like first-pick.com, though. Obviously it makes trades too easy, but for some reason I like it better than the usual "here's my mock" approach. More interactive/participatory/detailed/constrained-by-something-other-than-the-mocker's-own-opinions.

Actually, IMO, its damnably addictive for me....I think I've already done at least twenty iterations with different strategies....how a "need-based" works out differently than a "pure BPA", how "trade down for value" might take one in different directions, how the draft tactics and strategy evolve on the fly as other team's picks vary from the last iteration.

IMO whoever thought it up is a genius, and as soon as I have a few bucks (next paycheck), I'm going to donate to the site.

buckeyepackfan  
#24 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 4:02:19 PM(UTC)
There are 16 Offensive players who are rated high enough to be drafted in the 1st rnd.

What I hope happens is the teams drafting ahead of The Packers draft these players.

The Packers could use a TE(Ebron) or O-lineman(Martin), even one of the top WR's would be nice, but if Offensive players go high and often, that leaves plenty of defensive players for Ted to pick and choose from.

01 Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida QB
02 Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M OT
03 Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M QB
04 Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson WR
05 Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville QB
06 Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn OT
07 Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame OT
08 Odell Beckham, WR, LSU WR
09 Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State
10 Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
11 Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina TE
12 Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M WR
13 Tre Mason, RB, Auburn RB
14 Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State WR
15 Marcus Martin, C, Southern California C
16 Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State QB

Here is a list of 22 Defensive players which Ted should be able to grab at least 2 of them without trading up.

01 Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina DE
02 Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh DT
03 Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
04 Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo OLB
05 Hasean Clinton-Dix, FS, Alabama FS
06 Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
07 Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
08 Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
09 Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
10 Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame
11 Kyle Van Noy, OLB, Brigham Young
12 Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
13 Calvin Pryor, FS, Louisville
14 Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State
15 Kelcy Quarles, DT, South Carolina
16 Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
17 Jason Verrett, CB, TCU
18 Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
19 Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
20 Carl Bradford, OLB, Arizona State
21 C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama
22 Terrence Brooks, FS, Florida State

One thing I have learned is there are plenty of high rated DT's in this draft, a really good one (Anthony Johnson) always seems to still available late into the 3rd rnd.

Ted could grab a TE or WR in the 1st or 2nd and still have a shot at D-line help in the 3rd.
play2win  
#25 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 4:21:42 PM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
There are 16 Offensive players who are rated high enough to be drafted in the 1st rnd.

What I hope happens is the teams drafting ahead of The Packers draft these players.

The Packers could use a TE(Ebron) or O-lineman(Martin), even one of the top WR's would be nice, but if Offensive players go high and often, that leaves plenty of defensive players for Ted to pick and choose from.

01 Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida QB
02 Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M OT
03 Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M QB
04 Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson WR
05 Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville QB
06 Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn OT
07 Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame OT
08 Odell Beckham, WR, LSU WR
09 Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State
10 Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
11 Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina TE
12 Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M WR
13 Tre Mason, RB, Auburn RB
14 Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State WR
15 Marcus Martin, C, Southern California C
16 Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State QB

Here is a list of 22 Defensive players which Ted should be able to grab at least 2 of them without trading up.

01 Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina DE
02 Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh DT
03 Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
04 Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo OLB
05 Hasean Clinton-Dix, FS, Alabama FS
06 Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
07 Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
08 Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
09 Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
10 Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame
11 Kyle Van Noy, OLB, Brigham Young
12 Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
13 Calvin Pryor, FS, Louisville
14 Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State
15 Kelcy Quarles, DT, South Carolina
16 Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
17 Jason Verrett, CB, TCU
18 Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
19 Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
20 Carl Bradford, OLB, Arizona State
21 C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama
22 Terrence Brooks, FS, Florida State

One thing I have learned is there are plenty of high rated DT's in this draft, a really good one (Anthony Johnson) always seems to still available late into the 3rd rnd.

Ted could grab a TE or WR in the 1st or 2nd and still have a shot at D-line help in the 3rd.


I agree buckeye. That is a boatload of defensive talent up top, the majority of which should push down our way. The best part about that is we need exactly that. As much as I would like for Ted to pop on one of the big WRs early should one fall. We should fare pretty well in this draft.

One of the guys I'm not too thrilled about from your list is Brooks the FS. He doesn't have the speed or the physical presence to get the job done.

Another is Roby the CB (not because he's from Ohio State!). This is a bit of a concern with Roby:
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Out for Orange Bowl with knee injury. Third year junior that has already declared. Came in to 2013 as one of the top CBs in the nation but I have been unimpressed all year. Roby has elite movement skills with legit sub 4.4 speed. He can turn his hips and change direction with ease. My issues with him are the extreme lack of ball skills. He is struggles badly in deep coverage when it comes to locating the ball and making a play. In addition, he doesn’t always make the effort I want to see against the run. Dave Syvertsen, Ourlads' Draft Analyst


Now, just so you know I'm playing completely fair... another one that I question is Carl Bradford from ASU, and I'm an ASU Alumni! I just wonder if he can make that big of a difference on our D:
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Fourth year junior that has already graduated and is seeking a grade from the advisory board. Most think he will leave early. Bradford is a hybrid DE/OLB that has had a nice two year run since the start of 2012 (39.5 TFL and 20 sacks). He is another fun player to watch because of his overly aggressive style. He is an all out hustler that wears a lot of hats for this team. When it comes to a tool set and overall ability, I think he is average across the board. A lot of his production comes from pure hustle and that’s not a bad thing at all, but it is something to consider. Can he, at this size, be a factor at the 3-4 OLB role? I see him as a solid contributor that can backup multiple spots and see some spot duty in pass rush situations. But as an every down player, I don’t see a difference maker. I’ll likely have him graded in the 3rd/4th round area but I think he goes higher. Dave Syvertsen, Ourlads' Draft Analyst


Fuller and Varrett are great calls at CB.
Wade  
#26 Posted : Thursday, April 10, 2014 4:40:09 PM(UTC)
Which of the defensive players on that list do you think has a reasonable chance of falling to the 21st pick in the second round, buckeye?

Oh, I'm sure there will be a one that surprises everyone by falling, but other than that, here's how I see the likelihood of each actually falling that far.


01 Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina DE No way.
02 Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh DT No way.
03 Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State No way.
04 Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo OLB No way.
05 Hasean Clinton-Dix, FS, Alabama FS No way.
06 Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State No way.
07 Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA No way.
08 Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State No way.
09 Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA Er, listed him twice, but still no way.
10 Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame Should, but won't.
11 Kyle Van Noy, OLB, Brigham Young No way.
12 Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State No way.
13 Calvin Pryor, FS, Louisville No way.
14 Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State Most likely.
15 Kelcy Quarles, DT, South Carolina Small chance.
16 Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech No way.
17 Jason Verrett, CB, TCU No way.
18 Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri No way.
19 Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State Should, but won't.
20 Carl Bradford, OLB, Arizona State Maybe.
21 C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama No way.
22 Terrence Brooks, FS, Florida State Long shot.

Which would you say?

warhawk  
#27 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 6:27:52 AM(UTC)


Easley, Ford, Hagemann?

mi_keys  
#28 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 4:42:42 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Yeah mi_keys, I like SS Deone Bucannon 6-1 211 out of Washington State, FS Jonathan Dowling 6-3 198 out of Western Kentucky, FS Ed Reynolds 6-1 207 out of Stanford, and SS Ahmad Dixon 6-0 212 out of Baylor - all of them as much or more than Clinton-Dix or Pryor. I would say Reynolds if only for the size in projecting him to the NFL and what we are seeing today. The others, Bucannon, Dowling and Dixon are all super solid tacklers and have a knack for picking the ball or forcing TOs.

Clinton-Dix is a 4.54-4.58 guys speed wise, had 56 tackles, 2 INTs last season and 6 passes defended. Was also suspended for 2 games. That gives me some pause, when we are talking top 10-15 in draft order.

Compare to Bucannon's 4.49 40 time, 78 solo tackles (114 total), 6 INTs (15 on his career), 3 FFs, has a larger presence about him. I consider him the #1 S in this draft.


Dowling's 40 time was 4.52, 67 tackles, 3 INTs (9 on career), 6 FFs 7 passes defended. Watch the hit on this QB, The 3 picks, the strip from behind on a jail break play, then skip the last video and erase it from your memory! [laughing]
http://www.arrowheadprid...ling-fs-western-kentucky

Dixon posted a 4.64 40 time, but he ran a 4.48 in his workout and has run a 4.39. 81 tackles (288 career), 1 INT (4 career) and 1 FF. This guy is just super strong at sniffing out run plays and crushing them. Solid, fast, willing tackler with an attitude.


BTW, don't get me wrong. I will be happy to get any of the guys we've mentioned, as I believe we will improve greatly having just one of these players added to our D. I'd love for us to add two.


Bucannon:
I'd only read a little bit on Bucannon til this pint but, ah, someone who can hit AND wraps up. That's nice to see. He did get dragged on a couple of his tackles but he at least wrapped the guy up. Some of the interceptions/pass defenses were in cases where the coverage was beat but the throw was horrible. That said, he at least showed good ball skills to make the offense pay on those mistakes. The two interceptions against Oregon were solid. I trust you've seen him a fair bit of him in the Pac 12 being an ASU fan. Where I've seen him projected (4th round, maybe 5th), I think that would be a great pick.

Dowling:
Lol, I'd seen his videos and that last one is pathetic. Great game against Kentucky. He's interesting.

Dixon:
Dixon is someone I really like too. Some of the projections have him in the 4h-5th round too, which I think would be a steal.

One other note: you mention Brooks doesn't have the physical presence or speed to get the job done. He ran a 4.42 40 at the combine. I agree that he's on the small side though.
play2win  
#29 Posted : Saturday, April 12, 2014 10:32:55 AM(UTC)
mi_keys, I believe I was wrong for the same reasons with Brooks - as I was looking more for stature - my bad. Terrence Brooks looks to be just the kind of player Ted Thompson would add to his roster. Super smart, instinctive, effective student of the game... Maybe he's the choice in place of either Pryor or Bucannon here.

Thought I would throw another mock down, this time straight up with no trades:

R1 21. FS Calvin Pryor Louisville 5-11 207
R2 53. DE Kareem Martin North Carolina 6-6 272
R3 85. SS Deone Bucannon Washington 6-1 211
R3 98. ILB Telvin Smith Florida State 6-3 218
R4 121.CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste Nebraska 6-3 220
R5 161. C Bryan Stork Florida State 6-4 315
R5 176. WR Cody Hoffman BYU 6-4 223
R6 197. WR Devin Street Pitt 6-3 198
R7 236. TE Justin Jones East Carolina 6-8 277

Besides my pick of Pryor, it is go big or go home... I think Martin is too good to pass up at DE in R2. Bucannon is a solid addition in R3, and Smith is a smart choice being taller and better in coverages with our 2nd pick in R3. Jean-Baptiste is a freak at CB with that size, and maybe the picks 98 and 121 interchange due to this freakish size at CB. Stork is a God-send find in R5. Both Hoffman and Street are too good to pass up in R5 and R6, and Jones could turn into something special with his size in R7.

Here's to the biggest draft class ever in Green Bay.

BTW, wanted a NT in the worst way, but we can re-sign Pickett for 1 season with the sole intent to rotate him with Raji at the NT. you don't think Pickett wants back in with the signing of Peppers? [laughing] I bet he'd love it. He could do one more year, but I would want him rotating with Raji, not side by side.
play2win  
#30 Posted : Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:19:35 AM(UTC)
Thought I'd pop another one in there...

R1 21. ILB Ryan Shazier Ohio State 6-2 237
R2 53. CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste Nebraska 6-3 220
R3 85. FS Terrence Brooks Florida State 5-11 198
R3 98. SS Ahmad Dixon Baylor 6-0 212
R4 121.C Bryan Stork Florida State 6-4 315
R5 161. WR Devin Street Pitt 6-3 198
R5 176. TE Joe Don Duncan Dixie State 6-3 268
R6 197. WR Jeremy Gallon Michigan 5-7 185
R7 236. DT Beau Allen Wisconsin 6-3 325

buckeye, I like Shazier a lot with our first pick. This is one fast kid who is exceptional in both run D and in coverage - phenomenal tackler. Super, super fast. It would be interesting to see what a player like him could do alongside Hawk, another former buckeye. Something tells me that drafting this player will be a big help in the middle of our D, and he has size at 6-3 with room to grow. I think both Clinton-Dix and Pryor will be off the board by 21, and we need ILB nearly as much as S. The thing I like about Shazier over Borland and Skov is this kid has speed. The other two do not. And, he can cover the pass. The other two struggle. All three have equal instincts.

I know Stanley Jean-Baptiste is a bit of a reach in R2, but maybe not. He displays some uncanny skills to go along with exceptional size at CB, 6-3 220 and 4.61 speed. This is a kid that will fly off the board to someone, why not us? Jumping on this kid early could prove masterful.

I like bookend Safeties with our next two picks of Brooks and Dixon - both highly capable and huge upgrades over what we have currently, then hoping to land Stork. I like this kid and think he would be a great C for us. Devin Street in R5 is a super solid pick at WR - tall with speed, broke nearly all the Pitt WR records held by Antonio Bryant. This next kid, Joe Don Duncan is a piece of work. HUGE kid who knows how to block and catch equally well. Had over 1000 yds receiving last year. Gallon makes my list again as I think we would be smart to draft a backup to Cobb, and a KR. Beau Allen is a late round throw in at NT, but he could be good for us. Not sure if he will last that long.
Wade  
#31 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 11:07:33 AM(UTC)
Okay, this is my new favorite from first-pick.com. Parentheses represents that sites grades, not mine.

(And, yes, I'm trading down....multiple times. So those of you who object to multiple trade down scenarios can skip...[grin1] )

Your score is: 5101 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 3 Pick 2 (WASH): Tre Mason, RB, Auburn (A) As far from need as it is possible to be, except for QB. But IMO one goal of this draft should be to add real speed on offense. Real good receiver, has it all. With Lacy/Mason as one/two RB punch, plus the usual passing excellence.....this offense can be sickening, unprecedentedly dominant. And when Attachou went in first half of 2nd (15 or 17, I think), I traded a 2nd I hadnt originally thought I'd trade and drop out of the second entirely. A third on a running back isn't that bad IMO.

Round 3 Pick 8 (MINN): Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame (A).
My number two TE after Ebron, and no way did I think TE needed either first or second round attention. I've sad many times that I don't want the Packers to be the ones willing to risk Finley's health, and IMO this guy may be better than an uninjured Finley.

Round 3 Pick 21: Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (A). Not as a big favorite with me as with others (I like Dixon better at SS, but this is too early for him). But also didn't expect him to last to here.

Round 3 Pick 22 (PHI): Weston Richburg, C, Colorado State (A). Really like this guy, think he's mid-second talent at least. Ten-year starter potential. Only reason he falls here is the "don't draft centers early" prejudice.

Round 3 Pick 32 (MINN): Daniel McCullers, DT, Tennessee (A-).
Absolutely, positively love this guy. If there is one draft pick that will make me happy its "Shade Tree" McCullers. I almost picked him at 21. I don't think he's available at 34, even though in this online picker he usually ends up being there. If he falls to 34, though, I'm screaming "McCullers" at the TV at the top of my voice in hopes of influencing Ted Thompson to pick him. I guarantee that if he's picked, the only way Raji gets significant reps is if he is full-time where he was for the last third of 2010.

Round 3 Pick 34 (COMP): Rashaad Reynolds, CB, Oregon State (B+).
Not need, but real value for the position IMO. And as they say, cant ever have enough good corners. If Stanley-Baptiste lasts this long, it would be a tougher choice, but I probably go with Reynolds regardless.

Round 4 Pick 2 (WASH): Joel Bitonio, OT, Nevada (B). Either him or JuWan James from Tennessee, and Bitonio has the "multiple positions" ability. James probably requires an earlier pick, too. (I have them tied for third in my choice of all tackles that might be available at round 1#21 or later Packer picks (after Lewan and Mewhort).

Round 4 Pick 5 (JAX): Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State (B). My biggest disappointment in this draft was not getting Yawin Smallwood at ILB, but he went 13th in the 2nd, which is earlier than he should. At the very least offers an upgrade over the current Jones on the Packer LB roster. A significant one, IMO.

Round 4 Pick 14 (JAX): Ed Stinson, DE, Alabama (C).
Bit of a reach, but I really like this guy, too. I think between now and the draft you will see him moving up perhaps as early as first few picks in 4th.

Round 4 Pick 21: Anthony Steen, OG, Alabama (B-)
You know me, I want three OL in every draft. Didnt think he'd be available at 4 in the 5th round. Was either him or Trai Turner, and I have Steen a bit higher. Plus SS Dixon, the pick I was planning went two picks earlier, annoyingly. Might have gone ILB again with Zumwalt, but he was gone, too.

Round 5 Pick 4 (JAX): Nat Berhe, SS, San Diego State (D+)
Really under-rated IMO. Wanted both him and Jones or Grant (see later), but since was easily best safety left, didn't want to gamble. Plays both SS and FS. Between him and Bucannon (or Dixon, who I would start considering at 34 in the fourth if Bucannon is gone) and Burnett -- going to be some real competition for starting and playing time IMO.

Frankly, once I get Berhe, I have everything I wanted in this draft except Clinton-Dix (who isn't worth the trade-up price he would take to get in the top 12-14 of round) and improvement at OLB, and Stinson may provide depth even there. Two starting quality safeties, NT to replace Raji, ILB improvement, speed on offense, a second starting-quality TE, and of, course, "OLOLOL." Plus I've managed to get the speed in a starting-quality RB package and add a really good corner to push Hayward and the others.

So everything else from here on is gravy:


Round 5 Pick 19 (JAX): TJ Jones, WR, Notre Dame (A)
Cannot believe this guy falls this far. I know people are sold on WRs we have, but this guy runs great routes. Third-round quality IMO. He will push instantly for #3 spot if Mike McCarthy lets him. If he or Ryan Grant falls to the Packers, I'm all of a sudden much less concerned with the loss of Jennings and Jones to FA in consecutive years.

Round 5 Pick 21: Ryan Carrethers, DT, Arkansas State (C-)
Another DL a bit early, but was "best-on-board." He won't last to 21st pick of round 6, but might last to the first third of that round. More incentive for Raji, too. And cheaper.

Round 5 Pick 36 (COMP): Ryan Grant, WR, Tulane (A).
Started picks late, and ending them early. Tough choice here. Had several possibles for this pick (Urschel at OG, Bullough at ILB, Whitley at FS, Whitlock and Gardner at DE, Archer at speed WR/returner, Colvin at S/CB, Blanchflower/Breen/Navjar at TE), but they were all major reaches for the draft position, and at least a couple of them are likely to be available as FA after the draft. Grant, on the other hand, is like Jones at #19 -- great route runner, great maturity in set of moves. Between him and Jones, this would be a set of WR *better* than the Packers had in 2010/2011.


6 picks in the top 98, 4 more in the fourth, and 4 more in the fifth. That, IMO, would be a major cool draft.
Pack93z  
#32 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 11:23:40 AM(UTC)
Any combination of Borland.. Abbracadabra and James White will do a ton for me in this draft.

Borland for as much as his heart and drive than his talent.. personally he is the type of infectious player we have been missing on this defense. Heart and soul type player.. athletic as they come.. maybe a little short but ask Carlos Hyde about his leverage.

Abby is the type of cerebral receiver that will develop with Rodgers and give us another productive target.. his durability is my question.

Do we need another running back.. no.. but White is the type of space player that can throw in wrinkles to the offense.. plus I think he could be utilized effectively in special team. Unselfish player and from all accounts very fine person.
play2win  
#33 Posted : Monday, May 5, 2014 7:09:36 PM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Any combination of Borland.. Abbracadabra and James White will do a ton for me in this draft.

Borland for as much as his heart and drive than his talent.. personally he is the type of infectious player we have been missing on this defense. Heart and soul type player.. athletic as they come.. maybe a little short but ask Carlos Hyde about his leverage.

Abby is the type of cerebral receiver that will develop with Rodgers and give us another productive target.. his durability is my question.

Do we need another running back.. no.. but White is the type of space player that can throw in wrinkles to the offense.. plus I think he could be utilized effectively in special team. Unselfish player and from all accounts very fine person.


Draftek.com has a new mock with our first 3 picks being Shazier, Bucannon and Borland. Imagine how that would completely change our defense for the better.
http://www.drafttek.com/...FL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp
play2win  
#34 Posted : Tuesday, May 6, 2014 9:33:37 AM(UTC)
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
Okay, this is my new favorite from first-pick.com. Parentheses represents that sites grades, not mine.

(And, yes, I'm trading down....multiple times. So those of you who object to multiple trade down scenarios can skip...[grin1] )

Your score is: 5101 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 3 Pick 2 (WASH): Tre Mason, RB, Auburn (A) As far from need as it is possible to be, except for QB. But IMO one goal of this draft should be to add real speed on offense. Real good receiver, has it all. With Lacy/Mason as one/two RB punch, plus the usual passing excellence.....this offense can be sickening, unprecedentedly dominant. And when Attachou went in first half of 2nd (15 or 17, I think), I traded a 2nd I hadnt originally thought I'd trade and drop out of the second entirely. A third on a running back isn't that bad IMO.

Round 3 Pick 8 (MINN): Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame (A).
My number two TE after Ebron, and no way did I think TE needed either first or second round attention. I've sad many times that I don't want the Packers to be the ones willing to risk Finley's health, and IMO this guy may be better than an uninjured Finley.

Round 3 Pick 21: Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (A). Not as a big favorite with me as with others (I like Dixon better at SS, but this is too early for him). But also didn't expect him to last to here.

Round 3 Pick 22 (PHI): Weston Richburg, C, Colorado State (A). Really like this guy, think he's mid-second talent at least. Ten-year starter potential. Only reason he falls here is the "don't draft centers early" prejudice.

Round 3 Pick 32 (MINN): Daniel McCullers, DT, Tennessee (A-).
Absolutely, positively love this guy. If there is one draft pick that will make me happy its "Shade Tree" McCullers. I almost picked him at 21. I don't think he's available at 34, even though in this online picker he usually ends up being there. If he falls to 34, though, I'm screaming "McCullers" at the TV at the top of my voice in hopes of influencing Ted Thompson to pick him. I guarantee that if he's picked, the only way Raji gets significant reps is if he is full-time where he was for the last third of 2010.

Round 3 Pick 34 (COMP): Rashaad Reynolds, CB, Oregon State (B+).
Not need, but real value for the position IMO. And as they say, cant ever have enough good corners. If Stanley-Baptiste lasts this long, it would be a tougher choice, but I probably go with Reynolds regardless.

Round 4 Pick 2 (WASH): Joel Bitonio, OT, Nevada (B). Either him or JuWan James from Tennessee, and Bitonio has the "multiple positions" ability. James probably requires an earlier pick, too. (I have them tied for third in my choice of all tackles that might be available at round 1#21 or later Packer picks (after Lewan and Mewhort).

Round 4 Pick 5 (JAX): Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State (B). My biggest disappointment in this draft was not getting Yawin Smallwood at ILB, but he went 13th in the 2nd, which is earlier than he should. At the very least offers an upgrade over the current Jones on the Packer LB roster. A significant one, IMO.

Round 4 Pick 14 (JAX): Ed Stinson, DE, Alabama (C).
Bit of a reach, but I really like this guy, too. I think between now and the draft you will see him moving up perhaps as early as first few picks in 4th.

Round 4 Pick 21: Anthony Steen, OG, Alabama (B-)
You know me, I want three OL in every draft. Didnt think he'd be available at 4 in the 5th round. Was either him or Trai Turner, and I have Steen a bit higher. Plus SS Dixon, the pick I was planning went two picks earlier, annoyingly. Might have gone ILB again with Zumwalt, but he was gone, too.

Round 5 Pick 4 (JAX): Nat Berhe, SS, San Diego State (D+)
Really under-rated IMO. Wanted both him and Jones or Grant (see later), but since was easily best safety left, didn't want to gamble. Plays both SS and FS. Between him and Bucannon (or Dixon, who I would start considering at 34 in the fourth if Bucannon is gone) and Burnett -- going to be some real competition for starting and playing time IMO.

Frankly, once I get Berhe, I have everything I wanted in this draft except Clinton-Dix (who isn't worth the trade-up price he would take to get in the top 12-14 of round) and improvement at OLB, and Stinson may provide depth even there. Two starting quality safeties, NT to replace Raji, ILB improvement, speed on offense, a second starting-quality TE, and of, course, "OLOLOL." Plus I've managed to get the speed in a starting-quality RB package and add a really good corner to push Hayward and the others.

So everything else from here on is gravy:


Round 5 Pick 19 (JAX): TJ Jones, WR, Notre Dame (A)
Cannot believe this guy falls this far. I know people are sold on WRs we have, but this guy runs great routes. Third-round quality IMO. He will push instantly for #3 spot if Mike McCarthy lets him. If he or Ryan Grant falls to the Packers, I'm all of a sudden much less concerned with the loss of Jennings and Jones to FA in consecutive years.

Round 5 Pick 21: Ryan Carrethers, DT, Arkansas State (C-)
Another DL a bit early, but was "best-on-board." He won't last to 21st pick of round 6, but might last to the first third of that round. More incentive for Raji, too. And cheaper.

Round 5 Pick 36 (COMP): Ryan Grant, WR, Tulane (A).
Started picks late, and ending them early. Tough choice here. Had several possibles for this pick (Urschel at OG, Bullough at ILB, Whitley at FS, Whitlock and Gardner at DE, Archer at speed WR/returner, Colvin at S/CB, Blanchflower/Breen/Navjar at TE), but they were all major reaches for the draft position, and at least a couple of them are likely to be available as FA after the draft. Grant, on the other hand, is like Jones at #19 -- great route runner, great maturity in set of moves. Between him and Jones, this would be a set of WR *better* than the Packers had in 2010/2011.


6 picks in the top 98, 4 more in the fourth, and 4 more in the fifth. That, IMO, would be a major cool draft.


Wade, Nat Behre is small for a S at 5-10, but I love watching him tackle. This kid has a nose for the ball. I don't see him making it in the NFL, as other WRs will scale over him to make catches, but he is clearly a good player who likes and knows the game. http://www.mwcconnection...diego-state-ss-nat-berhe
mi_keys  
#35 Posted : Tuesday, May 6, 2014 10:50:51 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Draftek.com has a new mock with our first 3 picks being Shazier, Bucannon and Borland. Imagine how that would completely change our defense for the better.
http://www.drafttek.com/...FL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp


All we'd need is someone to dominate at nose tackle (either added or on our roster already), freeing up Shazier to go hunting and I'd expect that defense to take a huge step forward.
buckeyepackfan  
#36 Posted : Tuesday, May 6, 2014 2:54:01 PM(UTC)

Did the trade down thing, then traded back up into the 3rd rnd. Seems to be a lot of solid players available late rnd 2 through rnd 4.

I like the results

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 12 (STL): Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech (A)
Round 2 Pick 28 (CAR): Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (A-)
Round 3 Pick 7 (CLE): Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (A)
Round 3 Pick 8 (MINN): Ed Reynolds, FS, Stanford (A-)
Round 3 Pick 21: Jordan Zumwalt, ILB, UCLA (B)
Round 3 Pick 22 (PHI): Paul Richardson, WR, Colorado (A)
Round 3 Pick 34 (COMP): Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford (C+)
Round 4 Pick 22 (PHI): Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida (A)
Round 4 Pick 28 (CAR): Devonta Freeman, RB, Florida State (A)
Round 5 Pick 22 (PHI): Xavier Grimble, TE, Southern California (A-)
Round 5 Pick 28 (CAR): Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (A)
Round 5 Pick 30 (S.F.): David Fales, QB, San Jose State (B+)
Round 5 Pick 36 (COMP): Nat Berhe, SS, San Diego State (B+)
Wade  
#37 Posted : Tuesday, May 6, 2014 5:56:16 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Wade, Nat Behre is small for a S at 5-10, but I love watching him tackle. This kid has a nose for the ball. I don't see him making it in the NFL, as other WRs will scale over him to make catches, but he is clearly a good player who likes and knows the game. http://www.mwcconnection...diego-state-ss-nat-berhe


I'd take a small guy if it meant we finally had a guy who knew how to tackle. In that whole video I saw maybe four cases of substandard tackling technique....and at least two of them were cases where most wouldn't even be in the neighborhood. He isn't as good as Pryor, but he is, IMO, has substantially better tackling technique. And every time I watch his video he seems to have more closing acceleration.

I have two guys I would really like to see in Green and Gold more than just about anyone available at their drafting positions: one everyone knows; Berhe is the other.

I think this guy is going to surprise people. Probably not for GB, since Ted likes short DBs even less than most GMs, but for someone.

WRs may be able to go higher for the ball than he can, but will they come down with it?

I want Bucannon, but if they can't get him, I'd be cool with putting the pressure on Berhe.

He's gonna make it somewhere. And I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting in year one.
Mucky Tundra  
#38 Posted : Tuesday, May 6, 2014 6:02:42 PM(UTC)
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
I'd take a small guy if it meant we finally had a guy who knew how to tackle. In that whole video I saw maybe four cases of substandard tackling technique....and at least two of them were cases where most wouldn't even be in the neighborhood. He isn't as good as Pryor, but he is, IMO, has substantially better tackling technique. And every time I watch his video he seems to have more closing acceleration.



This is precisely why I'm high on Ward: he may not be as fast, athletic or deliver the same big hits as some of the other S in the draft, but rarely do you see him completely out of position and whiffing on plays.
play2win  
#39 Posted : Tuesday, May 6, 2014 9:05:03 PM(UTC)
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
I'd take a small guy if it meant we finally had a guy who knew how to tackle. In that whole video I saw maybe four cases of substandard tackling technique....and at least two of them were cases where most wouldn't even be in the neighborhood. He isn't as good as Pryor, but he is, IMO, has substantially better tackling technique. And every time I watch his video he seems to have more closing acceleration.

I have two guys I would really like to see in Green and Gold more than just about anyone available at their drafting positions: one everyone knows; Berhe is the other.

I think this guy is going to surprise people. Probably not for GB, since Ted likes short DBs even less than most GMs, but for someone.

WRs may be able to go higher for the ball than he can, but will they come down with it?

I want Bucannon, but if they can't get him, I'd be cool with putting the pressure on Berhe.

He's gonna make it somewhere. And I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting in year one.


Well, size does not indicate real NFL ability in a total sense. And, man, can Behre tackle. Dude takes all the right angles, and he is fast. Hits like a ton.
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