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Offline play2win  
#51 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2014 7:32:24 PM(UTC)
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We'll, I like what DoddPower had to say and I feel pretty much the same. This is one of those instances where we could possibly witness a top player drop in our laps like Rodgers did, and I could see where the pick is made.

Mark Brunnell. Ty Detmer. Matt Hasselbeck. Aaron Brooks. While they are not first rounders, Wolf always took one because he knew the value of a QB, and Holmgren developed them into valuable trade assets.

I would rather get top defenders early in this draft. Would love to add 3 in the first two rounds. But, I'll understand, somewhat, if Ted drafts a top QB that falls into his lap. We say we don't need one, but sure as hell could have used one last season.
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#52 Posted : Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:26:39 AM(UTC)
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The problem with the back-up QB draft scenario as our team stands now is he does shit for us unless Rodgers gets hurt. Showing off the kid's talent only in the pre-season and mop-up duty will be hard to get other GMs to part ways with top draft picks. I would rather draft a Fales in that scenario as I can possibly see him compete and the risk is far less.
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#53 Posted : Tuesday, April 22, 2014 7:57:46 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla Go to Quoted Post
The problem with the back-up QB draft scenario as our team stands now is he does shit for us unless Rodgers gets hurt. Showing off the kid's talent only in the pre-season and mop-up duty will be hard to get other GMs to part ways with top draft picks. I would rather draft a Fales in that scenario as I can possibly see him compete and the risk is far less.


I totally agree. But just for the sake of argument, could you, as a general manager pass on a QB if you thought he could potentially be another Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, or maybe even Russell Wilson? It's obviously never that clear, but another elite QB like that would be a better pick than a Brian Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Nick Perry, Justin Harrell, et al. The only way a general manager should pull the trigger when in a situation like the Packers is if they were CONVINCED the QB was going to be an elite player. If there's much uncertainly, then I think they gotta pass.
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#54 Posted : Tuesday, April 22, 2014 9:03:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DoddPower Go to Quoted Post
I totally agree. But just for the sake of argument, could you, as a general manager pass on a QB if you thought he could potentially be another Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, or maybe even Russell Wilson? It's obviously never that clear, but another elite QB like that would be a better pick than a Brian Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Nick Perry, Justin Harrell, et al. The only way a general manager should pull the trigger when in a situation like the Packers is if they were CONVINCED the QB was going to be an elite player. If there's much uncertainly, then I think they gotta pass.


If we were talking about an Andrew Luck falling to us, then yes, I'd take him. I don't think any of these guys coming out are on that level as a prospect. Bortles is raw and I have an inherent mistrust of the run first quarterbacks given their track record in the NFL (if we end up with enough on par with Russell Wilson or RGIII that stay healthy I might change my mind but to this point I don't think the hit percentage has been high enough).

When you're talking about some of the teams at the top of the draft who desperately need a quarterback not wanting to take these guys in the first round it gives me the impression that we're not really talking about bona fide top 10-15 prospects, in which case, I don't really see it as falling to us.
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#55 Posted : Tuesday, April 22, 2014 9:21:20 AM(UTC)
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Those QB needy teams at the top 10-15 of this draft may be playing some high stakes poker this year if they pass on the QBs and select other positions first.

Wouldn't you love to know what Ted's plan is should a big name or two drops?

I'm still of the mindset that taking one of those guys is a luxury we might not be able to afford. Not at this time, with a healthy, capable Flynn behind Rodgers, and Tolzien, who they like, battling for the #2 QB... I want Ted to maximize GB's opportunities with Aaron Rodgers at the helm. Give him the defense this team needs to be a more complete team overall.

Unless he could work out a trade with one of the QB needy teams that would turn more in our favor.

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#56 Posted : Tuesday, April 22, 2014 9:42:33 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DoddPower Go to Quoted Post
I totally agree. But just for the sake of argument, could you, as a general manager pass on a QB if you thought he could potentially be another Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, or maybe even Russell Wilson? It's obviously never that clear, but another elite QB like that would be a better pick than a Brian Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Nick Perry, Justin Harrell, et al. The only way a general manager should pull the trigger when in a situation like the Packers is if they were CONVINCED the QB was going to be an elite player. If there's much uncertainly, then I think they gotta pass.


I guess my concern is how would the other teams learn about his eliteness unless through a Rodgers injury? Hell most of us were not aware of how good Rodgers was. He played pretty good filling in for Brett against Dallas, but in fairness their Defense did not practice with the mindset of playing him and they had a pretty decent lead when Rodgers came in. The guys in the locker room were convinced that Rodgers had the ability to start, but when Brett left I think a great many of us were not convinced we wouldn't see a huge step down at the position. Luckily we were wrong and we actually stayed level and in many ways went up.

I like Fales as the back-up of the future that we could flip for picks. I think the NFL Network has helped his stock. I don't think he is going in the 6th round like all the Mocks people are doing recently.

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#57 Posted : Tuesday, April 22, 2014 9:46:41 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla Go to Quoted Post
I guess my concern is how would the other teams learn about his eliteness unless through a Rodgers injury? Hell most of us were not aware of how good Rodgers was. He played pretty good filling in for Brett against Dallas, but in fairness their Defense did not practice with the mindset of playing him and they had a pretty decent lead when Rodgers came in. The guys in the locker room were convinced that Rodgers had the ability to start, but when Brett left I think a great many of us were not convinced we wouldn't see a huge step down at the position. Luckily we were wrong and we actually stayed level and in many ways went up.

I like Fales as the back-up of the future that we could flip for picks. I think the NFL Network has helped his stock. I don't think he is going in the 6th round like all the Mocks people are doing recently.



I don't know, I can confidently say I was convinced Aaron Rodgers was going to be a very good QB by about his 3rd preseason, and definitely after the Dallas game. I was amazed how so many doubted him at that point. The guy was obviously a baller. I wasn't concerned at all and I'm glad he took over when he did. Of course, I do generally give Packer players the benefit of the doubt due to my bias as a fan, but still. There were plenty of signs there for Rodgers after a couple seasons, imo.
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#58 Posted : Tuesday, April 22, 2014 10:37:44 AM(UTC)
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Personally, I don't like any of the quarterbacks likely to go in the first few rounds.

I might spend a 5th on Logan Thomas, or a 6th on Garrett Gilbert or Tahj Boyd. But that's about it.

As for trading up generally, I see total of 8 players worth considering:
1. To earlier than #15 (would cost minimum of next year's first rounder and a second-day pick): Clinton-Dix, Robinson, Mack, Watkins, Barr. IMO, all five will be gone by #10, but if they last to 11-15, maybe.
2. To #16-#21: Donald, Lewan, Z. Martin.

If no one offered a trade to later in the 1st or the first five picks of the second, my top 10 at #21 (after the above) would be:
1.Pryor,
2. Ebron,
3. Jernigan,
4. Lee,
5. Shazier,
6. Mosley,
7. Ealy,
8. Verrett,
9. Fuller
10. Cooks.
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#59 Posted : Thursday, May 1, 2014 4:00:40 PM(UTC)
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Get him in the 3rd, Ted.
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#60 Posted : Thursday, May 1, 2014 4:10:18 PM(UTC)
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Bridgewater still there at 85? snerk.
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#61 Posted : Thursday, May 1, 2014 5:23:06 PM(UTC)
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Maybe, Pack and Vikes can deal? Rolling Eyes

From rotoworld.com:

Appearing on SportsCenter Thursday, ESPN's Adam Schefter called the Vikings "a team to watch" for Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater.

Schefter indicated he wouldn't necessarily expect Minnesota to draft Teddy at No. 8 overall, but they could be willing to trade back into the end of round one to secure him. The Vikings made a similar move to land Cordarrelle Patterson last April. In other Bridgewater news, Schefter stated NFL teams never viewed him as a truly elite prospect "behind closed doors," despite media speculation to the contrary. "I don't know that he was ever viewed as a No. 1 overall pick," Schefter stated. We expect Teddy's "sweet spot" to be in the 24-39 pick range.
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#62 Posted : Thursday, May 1, 2014 5:40:25 PM(UTC)
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Queens get a QB, they could take a step forward from total shit suckage.
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#63 Posted : Thursday, May 1, 2014 6:01:00 PM(UTC)
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Queens get a QB, they could take a step forward from total shit suckage.


If you think Bridge"not over troubled"water is the guy they want and you think he sucks and will cripple them until AD's tires fall off, I'd serve him up on a platter for them. Perhaps, a Vikings trade down, and a Packers trade up to 8 instead of the traditional thinking of them trading up with us from 2nd back into 1st. Would be pretty exciting thought if one of the studs is still left there at 8, and they only reason Ted Thompson would do it.

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#64 Posted : Thursday, May 1, 2014 7:04:12 PM(UTC)
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While I like it uff, I just can't see it. Would take quite a lot to move up that high.
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#65 Posted : Thursday, May 1, 2014 8:29:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
While I like it uff, I just can't see it. Would take quite a lot to move up that high.


Well we are talking about an organization that in back to back years failed to make its first round pick in time... maybe they'll do something utterly incompetent and trade back for next to nothing. One can hope, right? Pray
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#66 Posted : Thursday, May 1, 2014 9:08:27 PM(UTC)
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TT has traded up into Round 1 before giving up his two 3rd rounders to get Clay.

Just for hypothetical speculative banter... WHO would it take being there at 8 for Ted to make one of those types of moves way up there? There's gotta be a guy he would deal a bunch of picks and or player(s) for. I wonder who that would be? Khalil Mack, perhaps?
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#67 Posted : Friday, May 2, 2014 4:08:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mi_keys Go to Quoted Post
Well we are talking about an organization that in back to back years failed to make its first round pick in time... maybe they'll do something utterly incompetent and trade back for next to nothing. One can hope, right? Pray


So true!!!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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#68 Posted : Friday, May 2, 2014 5:19:38 AM(UTC)
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In all seriousness, if Khalil Mack fell to 8 I think that would be worth considering. We'd be so loaded at pass rushers and we'd have the heir apparent to Peppers. Going forward, Neal and Perry as your backups would look pretty damn good.

Anthony Barr would be another one worth considering at the back end of the top 10. Otherwise, I just don't see a lot that would tempt me to move up to that spot considering what it would likely cost to get there.
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#69 Posted : Friday, May 2, 2014 5:23:56 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
TT has traded up into Round 1 before giving up his two 3rd rounders to get Clay.

Just for hypothetical speculative banter... WHO would it take being there at 8 for Ted to make one of those types of moves way up there? There's gotta be a guy he would deal a bunch of picks and or player(s) for. I wonder who that would be? Khalil Mack, perhaps?


If Uncle teddy did trade up he could not give up 2 3rd rounders for him. At least not 2 2014 3rd round picks. The second 3rd round pick is a comp and is not tradeable.

That said Mack may be the guy.
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#70 Posted : Friday, May 2, 2014 5:30:42 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Last year, and I can prove this, because I posted it on my blog, I said: IF GENO SMITH FALLS, TAKE HIM!

What would that have looked like after Aaron went down? NERD=GENIUS.

Proof that I'm smarter than Ted Thompson!

I say, trust your scouts. If you have a QB as a clear BPA, take him.


I would rather have Datone Jones and Matt Flynn (backup) than just Geno Smith (backup).

Rodgers sat for three years. He has anywhere between 5 - 8 really really good years left in him.
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#71 Posted : Friday, May 2, 2014 10:48:17 AM(UTC)
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Trading up to number 8 would require a Lawrence Welk trade.
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#72 Posted : Friday, May 2, 2014 11:23:35 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I would rather have Datone Jones and Matt Flynn (backup) than just Geno Smith (backup).

Rodgers sat for three years. He has anywhere between 5 - 8 really really good years left in him.


You're getting slow on the draw. That post was almost 3 weeks old!
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#73 Posted : Friday, May 2, 2014 12:01:42 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
If Uncle teddy did trade up he could not give up 2 3rd rounders for him. At least not 2 2014 3rd round picks. The second 3rd round pick is a comp and is not tradeable.

That said Mack may be the guy.


No way they can get to 8th with two 3rd round picks anyhow.
The cost would be steep and a move like this ignores issues at positions where not adding talent would be a mistake.

It would easily take out or 2nd and 3rd round picks other than the 3rd round comp pick. I see no team changing player at 8 worth passing on the talent that's in this draft.



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#74 Posted : Friday, May 2, 2014 1:54:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: warhawk Go to Quoted Post
No way they can get to 8th with two 3rd round picks anyhow.
The cost would be steep and a move like this ignores issues at positions where not adding talent would be a mistake.

It would easily take out or 2nd and 3rd round picks other than the 3rd round comp pick. I see no team changing player at 8 worth passing on the talent that's in this draft.





I am not saying they could get the #8 for 2 3rd round picks. Simply that GB does not have 2 3rd round picks to give. At least not at this time.

Everyone hates the Value Calculators but the #8 is rated higher than the 21,53 and 85 spots combined. Still and all I would make the move if I could get three picks in the first 85 if I were the vikies. Thing is why would Uncle Teddy EVER make a deal with them and give them so many players?
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#75 Posted : Friday, May 2, 2014 1:56:48 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: warhawk Go to Quoted Post
No way they can get to 8th with two 3rd round picks anyhow.
The cost would be steep and a move like this ignores issues at positions where not adding talent would be a mistake.

It would easily take out or 2nd and 3rd round picks other than the 3rd round comp pick. I see no team changing player at 8 worth passing on the talent that's in this draft.





Throw in AJ Hawk. lol
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