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Offline uffda udfa  
#51 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2014 9:19:12 PM(UTC)
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I already pointed out Dez Bryant but instead we took Bulaga one pick before him.
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#52 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2014 10:07:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
Nope...sizzle can be any round. I was lamenting that our franchise, and that includes TT's tenure, seems to pass on guys who can change games.


First sizzle, now change games.

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Raji had similar maturity concerns as a guy like Dez Bryant...I realize different drafts. Raji was not known as a pass rusher nor as a guy who went full tilt on every play.


Yet you cite Dez Bryant as having "sizzle" or "game changing ability" and that such "sizzle" or "game changing ability" is why we didn't take Dez. Then why did we take Raji? He was highly touted as a top 10 pick and a dominant player. He was supposed to be a game changer for us (and was in 2010).

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I would just like to see us grab someone who can change a game...really change it. I like Attaochu from G Tech. The guy looks like he could be a JPP type coming off the edge. Tons of upside.


Game changers like Matthews and Peppers?

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Yes, WR's are the guys who change games in a passing league.


Receiver is one potential position that can change a game. If it were the only position, then Seattle wouldn't have won the Super Bowl this past year; New Orleans would probably have a dynasty going right now.

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We've had all world QB play for decades. It makes it harder to notice what a truly skilled WR looks like.


Yes, and Rodgers and Favre have helped their receivers look better. Good players make their teammates look better. But don't insinuate Jennings, Nelson and Cobb aren't skilled receivers. They may not be Megatron or Andre Johnson or Julio Jones or, to concede the point, Dez Bryant; but they have been very good receivers for us and have made a ton of plays.

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Just because you have what we've had doesn't mean you shouldn't have tried for a Harvin type. Cobb is our closest to that. I LOVED when we took him.


Not tried for a Harvin type? That's exactly what Cobb is. We've had a steady stream of receiver talent come through over the years. It's not like we've neglected the position. The bottom line is that receiver is one of the last positions Packer fans should be bitching about.

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Lacy I wasn't so sure about but he looks like he's going to work out well.


And thank god for it too. It's nice to have a game changer at the running back position when we haven't had that for years.

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I've watched this team for almost 35 years. I just want to see a few more hits in the first round. That shouldn't be too much to ask as the purple have done well up top vs. Green Bay.


We've had mostly good drafts under Thompson. Much better than most of the league during his tenure.

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Thankfully, Green Bay seems to do well mid and late as well as UDFA and has that stud QB that changes the game. We're a QB removed from being Jacksonville...we all saw that last season. So fortunate Rodgers fell in our laps. Now, that is a game changer... a franchise changer.


That's just gross hyperbole. It wasn't like Rodgers was the only one out hurt; we were riddled with injuries across the board. At one point we had Seneca Wallace completing a pass to Myles White and it wasn't the preseason.

I'll put it this way, at the height of our injury problems in the middle of the season (week 9-10 or so), if you took the equivalent injuries and applied it to the Denver Broncos they would have trotted out the following:

QB:
Brock Osweiler (backup)

WR:
Demaryius Thomas
Eric Decker (normally 3rd wr)
Andre Caldwell (normally 4th wr)

TE:
Jacob Tamme (backup)

RB:
Knowshon Moreno

OL:
LT - Chris Clark (backup who actually did play most of the year)
LG - Quentin Saulsberry (backup)
C - Steve Vallos (backup)
RG - Louis Vasquez
RT - Vinston Painter (backup)


Wouldn't exactly strike fear into the hearts of defenses league-wide and this is a team that set the record for most points in a season.
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#53 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2014 10:34:16 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, I don't get the recent discussion at all. Overall, I'm OK with the decisions Thompson has made. I still think Bulaga is a really good player if he could just stay healthy. I'm glad the Packers didn't draft Harvin. I like Datone Jones. I think he's going to be a solid player, too. There is always going to be better players drafted. I fully understand the decisions Ted Thompson has made, for the most part, except Justin Harrell. I never bought into that one.
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#54 Posted : Monday, April 28, 2014 11:19:41 PM(UTC)
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The discussion has focused, for me, on 1st round draft choices...not 2nd rounders, not Julius Peppers signing as a FA. Minnesota has landed far more 1st round sizzle/game changers whatever you'd like to say. I linked sizzle and game changer from the outset. There was nothing said, negatively, about TT's drafting other than Round 1, and it was more of the organization over the years not just TT's tenure. There was praise for our drafting after Round 1. I'm lamenting the lack of hits in Round 1, only. I never insinuated RC18 and the gang weren't fine WR's...they are not, however, and nowhere close to a Randy Moss or a Dez Bryant. The New Orleans Saints do not have a great stable of WR's. The TE is the best thing going there by a mile. Colston has been their bellcow for years, and he's not all that impressive. I would take Cobb, Nelson and James Jones would've been close to what Colston is as a WR. Matthews was outstanding... it cost us two extra picks in the 3rd round to get him but he turned out to be a game changer that is what I'm saying I want them to do more of. Clay was what? A late 1st rounder. A high rising prospect after his Sr. Bowl and the numbers for his 10 yard split being as impressive as they were. We seem to get guys who are busts in Round 1 way more than we should. No team is going to hit an insanely high percentage of 1st rounders, but you should hit some home runs every now and then. This would be a good year to do just that.

I think most non-Packers fans/objective NFL fans would tell you Green Bay is Jax without Rodgers. They were painful to watch when Aaron was no longer in the huddle with them. The Bears were as good or better without Cutler...the same was not true for Green Bay.
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#55 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:22:14 AM(UTC)
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I think it is pretty clear where uffda is coming from.

We need immediate impact from our 1st Round pick. It has been 5 years since we have had that. We need that player who can step in and make a difference for us every single game.

These are the players who I believe will be available to us when we pick who can make that difference and impact:

Ryan Shazier
CJ Mosley
Deone Buccanon
Kelvin Benjamin

The last two according to recent mocks may seem a bit of a reach, but who cares? I would love for Ted to add one or more of these 4 players. All of them could step right in and immediately make us a better team.
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#56 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 6:21:49 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
The discussion has focused, for me, on 1st round draft choices...not 2nd rounders, not Julius Peppers signing as a FA.


Two posts earlier...

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Nope...sizzle can be any round. I was lamenting that our franchise, and that includes TT's tenure, seems to pass on guys who can change games.


It is then pointed out that we have quite a few players with "sizzle" or that can "change a game" and then it's back to the 1st round focus.

And if Ted is willing to take a risk in free agency to bring in a "sizzle player," or is willing to do it in early round 2 and everywhere else in the draft, and, hell, even does it with Raji and Matthews in round 1; then I don't see how one can continue to make the assertion that they are willfully avoiding "game changers."

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Minnesota has landed far more 1st round sizzle/game changers whatever you'd like to say. I linked sizzle and game changer from the outset. There was nothing said, negatively, about TT's drafting other than Round 1, and it was more of the organization over the years not just TT's tenure. There was praise for our drafting after Round 1. I'm lamenting the lack of hits in Round 1, only. I never insinuated RC18 and the gang weren't fine WR's...they are not, however, and nowhere close to a Randy Moss or a Dez Bryant. The New Orleans Saints do not have a great stable of WR's. The TE is the best thing going there by a mile. Colston has been their bellcow for years, and he's not all that impressive. I would take Cobb, Nelson and James Jones would've been close to what Colston is as a WR. Matthews was outstanding... it cost us two extra picks in the 3rd round to get him but he turned out to be a game changer that is what I'm saying I want them to do more of. Clay was what? A late 1st rounder. A high rising prospect after his Sr. Bowl and the numbers for his 10 yard split being as impressive as they were. We seem to get guys who are busts in Round 1 way more than we should. No team is going to hit an insanely high percentage of 1st rounders, but you should hit some home runs every now and then. This would be a good year to do just that.


And if you wanted to have an honest discussion about 1st round picks, then fine. I said in my first post you can make that point; but then why all this dancing around "sizzle."

After we won Super Bowl 45, we would have looked at TT's first round history and saw:

'05: Rodgers - grand fucking slam
'06: Hawk - has been a steady player for us
'07: Harrell - bust (injury w/ injury history in college)
'08: N/A (traded out)
'09: Raji - home run (at the time, this has since changed)
'09: Matthews - home run
'10: Bulaga - good pick

At the time, his first round record looked pretty good with really only one miss. Now we look at it and have to make some earlier revisions to get:

'05: Rodgers - grand fucking slam
'06: Hawk - has been a steady player for us
'07: Harrell - bust (injury w/ injury history in college)
'08: N/A (traded out)
'09: Raji - flash in the pan
'09: Matthews - home run (with recent injury problems)
'10: Bulaga - good pick (held back by injuries)
'11: Sherrod - injured (w/ no significant injury history in college)
'12: Nick Perry - injured (w/ no significant injury history in college)
'13: Datone Jones - hasn't played much, slowed by preseason injury

It would be nice if one of our first round picks could stay healthy.

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I think most non-Packers fans/objective NFL fans would tell you Green Bay is Jax without Rodgers. They were painful to watch when Aaron was no longer in the huddle with them. The Bears were as good or better without Cutler...the same was not true for Green Bay.


No, they wouldn't. Going into last season, would you have traded any of our position groups for Jacksonville's?

And of course it hurt the Packers more to lose Rodgers than the Bears to lose Cutler. Rodgers is actually good. That would be like expecting losing Dujuan Harris to hurt the Packers as much (pre-Lacy) as losing Peterson hurt the Vikings.
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#57 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:57:31 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
I already pointed out Dez Bryant but instead we took Bulaga one pick before him.


I don't see Bryant as a "game changer", he might have been touted that as a rookie, but with all the baggage and him being a "head case", I am sure glad Ted passed on him.

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#58 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:35:36 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
I don't see Bryant as a "game changer", he might have been touted that as a rookie, but with all the baggage and him being a "head case", I am sure glad Ted passed on him.

No room for Divas in Green Bay.


I certainly don't mind that the Packers didn't draft Bryant. He's a perfect fit in Dallas. The Packers are just fine with the receiving core they have had and will continue to have, especially with the addition of the Eddie Lacy/James Starks combination.

The discussion seems silly to me, really. I don't care if every first round pick sucks as long as the team is continually good, always in the playoffs, and wins the occasional Super Bowl. What more can a fan ask for? It'd be great to have more success out of the first round picks, but many contributed to the 2010 Championship. Attempting to use the Vikings of an example of anything is laughable. So they have drafted a few good players. Good for them. I would take the Packers team every time. Most teams would be totally different without their elite franchise quarterback. Denver is a good example of that, among others. I think the Packers could still win 7-9 games if they stayed relatively healthy without Aaron Rodgers. That's not too bad for 7th round pick quarterbacks or UDFAs. The Packers are not the Jaguars. Another silly sentiment.

Moving on.
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#59 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:06:56 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DoddPower Go to Quoted Post
I certainly don't mind that the Packers didn't draft Bryant. He's a perfect fit in Dallas. The Packers are just fine with the receiving core they have had and will continue to have, especially with the addition of the Eddie Lacy/James Starks combination.

The discussion seems silly to me, really. I don't care if every first round pick sucks as long as the team is continually good, always in the playoffs, and wins the occasional Super Bowl. What more can a fan ask for? It'd be great to have more success out of the first round picks, but many contributed to the 2010 Championship. Attempting to use the Vikings of an example of anything is laughable. So they have drafted a few good players. Good for them. I would take the Packers team every time. Most teams would be totally different without their elite franchise quarterback. Denver is a good example of that, among others. I think the Packers could still win 7-9 games if they stayed relatively healthy without Aaron Rodgers. That's not too bad for 7th round pick quarterbacks or UDFAs. The Packers are not the Jaguars. Another silly sentiment.

Moving on.


One of the biggest concerns here that I believe is being overlooked, is the importance of that R1 slotting with regards to landing prospective top, Pro Bowl-level talent on your team. The percentages for landing those real game changers and top talents are abnormally skewed into the very top of the draft, and trickle down significantly from there.

We can't afford missing in this area, but reality is this is not an exact science, and every GM makes a mistake or two along the way.

Ted and his staff really do pretty well early, especially picking so late in each round. I believe they could look to try to improve their work in the 1st and 2nd rounds just by avoiding the dud picks, but those seem to have tapered off of late. I would say Worthy, Perry and Jones have been my biggest disappointments recently, and Jones really didn't get much of a chance last year. Sherrod was just plain bad luck on the injury front. I've never fully reconciled Mike Neal and his wasted first 3 seasons, but I'm holding out hope he can make good on that this season, just like I am for the others who haven't shown well to this point, for whatever reason.

Our BIG hits:
Round 1: Rodgers 2005, Hawk 2006, Raji 2009, Matthews 2009, Bulaga 2010
Round 2: Collins 2005, Jennings 2006, Nelson 2008, Cobb 2011, Hayward 2012, Lacy 2013

Our BIG misses:
Round 1: Harrell 2007
Round 2: Colledge 2006, Jackson 2007, Brohm 2008, Lee 2008, Worthy 2012

Evaluation Incomplete:
Round 1: Sherrrod 2011, Perry 2012, Jones 2013
Round 2: Neal 2010

Keeping our players healthy would be a big step in the right direction. Here's to GB landing a real superstar this draft in R1.
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#60 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:51:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
One of the biggest concerns here that I believe is being overlooked, is the importance of that R1 slotting with regards to landing prospective top, Pro Bowl-level talent on your team. The percentages for landing those real game changers and top talents are abnormally skewed into the very top of the draft, and trickle down significantly from there.

We can't afford missing in this area, but reality is this is not an exact science, and every GM makes a mistake or two along the way.

Ted and his staff really do pretty well early, especially picking so late in each round. I believe they could look to try to improve their work in the 1st and 2nd rounds just by avoiding the dud picks, but those seem to have tapered off of late. I would say Worthy, Perry and Jones have been my biggest disappointments recently, and Jones really didn't get much of a chance last year. Sherrod was just plain bad luck on the injury front. I've never fully reconciled Mike Neal and his wasted first 3 seasons, but I'm holding out hope he can make good on that this season, just like I am for the others who haven't shown well to this point, for whatever reason.

Our BIG hits:
Round 1: Rodgers 2005, Hawk 2006, Raji 2009, Matthews 2009, Bulaga 2010
Round 2: Collins 2005, Jennings 2006, Nelson 2008, Cobb 2011, Hayward 2012, Lacy 2013

Our BIG misses:
Round 1: Harrell 2007
Round 2: Colledge 2006, Jackson 2007, Brohm 2008, Lee 2008, Worthy 2012

Evaluation Incomplete:
Round 1: Sherrrod 2011, Perry 2012, Jones 2013
Round 2: Neal 2010

Keeping our players healthy would be a big step in the right direction. Here's to GB landing a real superstar this draft in R1.


#1 lookout Mrs. Colledge is gonna come looking for you!!!!! Laughing maybe a friend or 2 will be with her. Colledge wasn't a big miss, he was a solid starter, when with The Packers and after he left.

#2 Why isn't Worthy listed with Sherrod, Perry and Jones? Injuries have slowed his progress, IMHO. to call him a big miss after just 2 years is a mistake.

#3 Brandon Jackson was pretty damn good RB, just not an every down back, when James Starks came on late in 2010, Jackson was able to show he could be that "change of pace" guy, that helped The packers to a SB.
Wouldn't call him a big miss, not a big hit either, but he contributed much more than he gets credit for.

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#61 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:47:59 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, I wouldn't call College a miss at all let alone a BIG miss he was a decent starter and got paid bigtime when he left which netted us a 4th rounder we used on Mike Daniels. You can't really compare a guy who though he was up and down was an overall solid starter for 5 straight seasons to someone like Brian Brohm or Pat Lee who both just plain sucked.

Worthy also has to be incomplete, he had pretty much an entire year lost to an injury and has only gotten 1 healthy (mostly) rookie season to go off of.
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#62 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 3:33:31 PM(UTC)
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Me and mi_keys are going to be fast friends. Sizzle can be found in any round. I'm disappointed we haven't sought it in Round 1 where there is more of it to be found. I'm not sure why you keep insisting my comments are inconsistent?

To be clear, I'm disappointed when we're in Round 1, we don't go for a certain type player. None of this excludes getting one in Round 2 or even Round 7. We miss often on guys who have no sizzle at all so why not take a shot on sizzle? The potential in missing on a sizzle guy seems to be at least equally proportionate to one who has little to none.
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#63 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:41:04 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, well at least I remembered what a complete disappointment he was through most of his tenure... Wow. How easy many forget.

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Daryn Colledge: Scouts say he lacks toughness, athleticism and strength. There's no question that he ranked fifth best on a five-man unit. Nevertheless, he lined up for every game and just about every practice, trimmed his sack total from seven to three and his "pressures" from an abominable 40½ to 23½. As a pass blocker, he reacts pretty well against speed, is less effective against power and struggles picking up stunts. Led the club in "bad" runs with 25, a career high. Unable to sustain run blocks against better players and is too often late to the second level. Had a career-high eight penalties. Every team wants better than Colledge, but until the Packers find that man they at least know they can survive with him. Grade: C-minus.

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And, that SB winning season was indeed his best in a GB uniform. So, his end of season grade was a C- I would be shocked if he hadn't earned D or F in his previous seasons.

Well, what do you know? Thought I'd look it up for 2009:

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Daryn Colledge: Didn't play with strength, athleticism or savvy. Allowed an astronomical 40½ pressures, 10 more than the previous leader (RG Will Whitticker, 2005) in the last 10 seasons. Not only that, but he was the runaway leader in bad runs with 18½. Four of his 7½ sacks allowed came at LT, where he was like a fish out of water. Falls off too many blocks at LB level. Just not a tough guy. His awful overtime holding penalty in the playoffs might have cost him a contract offer. Grade: D-minus

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#64 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:23:24 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, well at least I remembered what a complete disappointment he was through most of his tenure... Wow. How easy many forget.



And, that SB winning season was indeed his best in a GB uniform. So, his end of season grade was a C- I would be shocked if he hadn't earned D or F in his previous seasons.


Forget what?

The Packers had Ryan Grant in 2007(955 yds), 2008(1203 yds), 2009(1255yds),

Jackson's 1st 3 yrs, it wasn't until Grant got hurt in 2010 did Jackson get a chance to play.

He was always going to be the 3rd down guy until he was forced to be the #1 guy in 2010.

If you remember, there was a lot of shuffling around in 2010, as the Packers tried to figure out how to replace Grant.

Jackson was never meant to be an every down back, that was proven when Starks came on and he was able to go back to being the 3rd down, change of pace guy.

Now what am I forgetting?


To call Brandon Jackson "a big miss" is innacurate at best.


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#65 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:30:30 PM(UTC)
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Forget what?

The Packers had Ryan Grant in 2007(955 yds), 2008(1203 yds), 2009(1255yds),

Jackson's 1st 3 yrs, it wasn't until Grant got hurt in 2010 did Jackson get a chance to play.

He was always going to be the 3rd down guy until he was forced to be the #1 guy in 2010.

If you remember, there was a lot of shuffling around in 2010, as the Packers tried to figure out how to replace Grant.

Jackson was never meant to be an every down back, that was proven when Starks came on and he was able to go back to being the 3rd down, change of pace guy.

Now what am I forgetting?


To call Brandon Jackson "a big miss" is innacurate at best.




I think it is pretty clear I was talking about Colledge asshole, before you deleted your post which I was answering.

Why do you have to be such a complete dick?

But, since you insist on now changing the subject completely, here is the way I recall Brandon Jackson as well in this 2009 review:
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Brandon Jackson: Made an amazing transformation in blitz pickup from his rookie year of 2007 to now. Needed to carve out a niche as a reliable pass blocker because he's so pedestrian with the ball in his hands. Once described by a scout as a "meat and potatoes" runner. For their third-down back the Packers need someone with more speed. Grade: C-minus

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You're going to tell me I can't be disappointed with an R2 RB who is performing at that level in his 3rd season?

Sure, he played better in his 4th season in GB, but never earned a higher grade than C+. I expected more from the pick/player.

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#66 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:34:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
Forget what?

The Packers had Ryan Grant in 2007(955 yds), 2008(1203 yds), 2009(1255yds),

Jackson's 1st 3 yrs, it wasn't until Grant got hurt in 2010 did Jackson get a chance to play.

He was always going to be the 3rd down guy until he was forced to be the #1 guy in 2010.

If you remember, there was a lot of shuffling around in 2010, as the Packers tried to figure out how to replace Grant.

Jackson was never meant to be an every down back, that was proven when Starks came on and he was able to go back to being the 3rd down, change of pace guy.

Now what am I forgetting?


To call Brandon Jackson "a big miss" is innacurate at best.




We drafted a guy in the 2nd round to be a 3rd down back to a guy who was a UDFA and only added to the roster a week before the season started?Think
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#67 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:39:33 PM(UTC)
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I think it is pretty clear I was talking about Colledge asshole, before you deleted your post which I was answering.

Why do you have to be such a complete dick?


Wasn't clear to me, and I never deleted anything, and "sticks and stone".

Oh hell, doesn't really matter, Ted will draft 9- 11 guys this year, they all will become starters, and The Packers will win the next 10 SB's.

That doesn't happen, well we can say ted had 9-11 misses in 2014.
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#68 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:43:03 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
Wasn't clear to me, and I never deleted anything, and "sticks and stone".

Oh hell, doesn't really matter, Ted will draft 9- 11 guys this year, they all will become starters, and The Packers will win the next 10 SB's.

That doesn't happen, well we can say ted had 9-11 misses in 2014.


My mistake buckeye. You didn't delete your post. I just feel very differently about Colledge, Jackson and Worthy.

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#69 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 6:22:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
You're going to tell me I can't be disappointed with an R2 RB who is performing at that level in his 3rd season?

Sure, he played better in his 4th season in GB, but never earned a higher grade than C+. I expected more from the pick/player.


Deshawn Wynn, a 7th rounder from the same draft class, was getting more carries by the 5th week of the season in 07. Hell, even after Wynn went down Jackson only ended up with 25 more carries for the season.
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#70 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 6:31:47 PM(UTC)
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I thought Brandon Jackson was a colossal bust. I recall Ted Thompson saying they had studied every single play he'd ever run. He was drafted to be the answer. He was not.

Eddie Lacy was drafted to be the answer...he was.

Colledge was one of the worst lineman we've ever had in Green Bay and that miss was magnified due to his lofty draft status. How and why the Cardinals gave him that money is more baffling than the Colts giving that contract they gave to Walden.

I almost feel sorry that Brandon Jackson had to run behind the line we trotted out there for him.





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#71 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:23:07 PM(UTC)
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LOL, Buckeye still having trouble having anybody negatively critique a Packer. Brandon Jackson was a bust for the Packers, but he sure juked Brian Urlacher in that NFC championship game, nearly breaking his ankles. It seems like even our suckiest players seem to have a memorable moment or two. You don't draft a running back in the second round to be a 3rd down back. That is what the later rounds are for.

I sure hope Lacy hit the condition this off season, he came into camp kind of doughboyish last year, but looked pretty toned up by season's end.
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#72 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:41:52 PM(UTC)
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I think I said, Brandon Jackson was not a "big miss", he wasn't a "big hit", he wasn't drafted to be the every down back, that was Ryan Grants job.

He wasn't built to pound the ball and wear down a defense, he was by far the best The Packers had after Grant went down.

When Starks came on in the playoff run, he showed exactly what he was in Green bay for.

His only mistake was thinking he was an every down back and darted to Cleveland signed the big contract and almost immediately was injured and never returned to form.

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Brandon Jackson.....190.....703
John Kuhn...............84......281
Aaron Rodgers.........64......356
Dimitri Nance...........36.......95
James Starks...........29.....101
Matt Flynn................9.......26
Ryan Grant...............8.......45
Greg Jennings...........1.........1
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#73 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:50:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
I think I said, Brandon Jackson was not a "big miss", he wasn't a "big hit", he wasn't drafted to be the every down back, that was Ryan Grants job.

He wasn't built to pound the ball and wear down a defense, he was by far the best The Packers had after Grant went down.

When Starks came on in the playoff run, he showed exactly what he was in Green bay for.

His only mistake was thinking he was an every down back and darted to Cleveland signed the big contract and almost immediately was injured and never returned to form.

2010 regular season rushing stats

Brandon Jackson.....190.....703
John Kuhn...............84......281
Aaron Rodgers.........64......356
Dimitri Nance...........36.......95
James Starks...........29.....101
Matt Flynn................9.......26
Ryan Grant...............8.......45
Greg Jennings...........1.........1


Ryan Grant wasn't even on the roster when Jackson was drafted! The only other back on the roster when the 07 draft came around was Vernand Morency. Jackson was upstaged by a 7th rounder from the same draft class (Wynn), an UDFA who was on a practice squad for two years (Grant) and a 6th rounder (Starks). Like I said before, Wynn was getting more carries then Jackson before he got hurt in 07. Notice how once Starks and Grant showed they were legit runners they IMMEDIATELY got all the carries? No 50-50, no platoon approach or anything. It took until year 3 for Jackson to carve out a niche for himself. If getting upstaged by late round/undrafted talent and only excelling in a narrow role isn't disappointing, I'm not sure what is.
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#74 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:07:01 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra Go to Quoted Post
Ryan Grant wasn't even on the roster when Jackson was drafted! The only other back on the roster when the 07 draft came around was Vernand Morency. Jackson was upstaged by a 7th rounder from the same draft class (Wynn), an UDFA who was on a practice squad for two years (Grant) and a 6th rounder (Starks). Like I said before, Wynn was getting more carries then Jackson before he got hurt in 07. Notice how once Starks and Grant showed they were legit runners they IMMEDIATELY got all the carries? No 50-50, no platoon approach or anything. It took until year 3 for Jackson to carve out a niche for himself. If getting upstaged by late round/undrafted talent and only excelling in a narrow role isn't disappointing, I'm not sure what is.


I forgot EVERY FRICKIN' DRAFT PICK IS SUPPOSED TO COME TO THE PACKERS AND IMMEDIALTY BECOME A SUPERSTAR OR HE IS A BUST.

ONE MORE TIME, BRANDON JACKSON WAS NOT A "BIG MISS", HE WASN'T A "BIG HIT".



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#75 Posted : Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:07:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra Go to Quoted Post
Ryan Grant wasn't even on the roster when Jackson was drafted! The only other back on the roster when the 07 draft came around was Vernand Morency. Jackson was upstaged by a 7th rounder from the same draft class (Wynn), an UDFA who was on a practice squad for two years (Grant) and a 6th rounder (Starks). Like I said before, Wynn was getting more carries then Jackson before he got hurt in 07. Notice how once Starks and Grant showed they were legit runners they IMMEDIATELY got all the carries? No 50-50, no platoon approach or anything. It took until year 3 for Jackson to carve out a niche for himself. If getting upstaged by late round/undrafted talent and only excelling in a narrow role isn't disappointing, I'm not sure what is.


267 yds in 2007
248 yds in 2008
111 yds in 2009
703 yds in 2010

Sure, he came around to contribute in his 4th season in GB, and did little to nothing in his first 3 years. We should all be expecting more from a valuable 2nd round pick, and that is entirely the point.

I had already said how well Thompson had actually done for us, and was simply mentioning if they could stay away from the few dud picks we would be in really good shape.

Some people just have to be contradictory, regardless of facts. As previously mentioned the picks don't always work out. But, it would be smart of this staff to do more to try to avoid early misses.
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