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Offline uffda udfa  
#1 Posted : Friday, June 6, 2014 3:34:33 PM(UTC)
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Packers.com's Cliff Christl did a nice retrospective piece on: WHO ARE THE GREATEST PACKERS WHO NEVER WERE?

He listed 5 guys. I only recall seeing two of them... Eddie Lee Ivery and Lynn Dickey. As Christl said, both would've been greats but Lynn Dickey wasn't too shabby even as a parking meter in the pocket.

There have been many guys over the years I've felt cheated out of seeing blossom with the Packers over the years.

Eddie Lee Ivery was a guy I wrote a song about back when I was a kid... Ellis and Ivery side by side in the Packers backfield. Pure cheese, but I was living in Wisconsin and but a wee lad.

Tim Lewis, Jermichael Finley, Terrence Murphy, Nick Collins, Sterling Sharpe, LeRoy Butler(wanted all the years we could get), Justin Harrell, Mark D'Onofrio, Robbie Bosco, Jeremy Thompson, Desmond Bishop are just some of the names that come to mind. I would've added Sherrod but hoping we finally get a chance at seeing him this season.
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#2 Posted : Friday, June 6, 2014 5:11:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
Packers.com's Cliff Christl did a nice retrospective piece on: WHO ARE THE GREATEST PACKERS WHO NEVER WERE?

He listed 5 guys. I only recall seeing two of them... Eddie Lee Ivery and Lynn Dickey. As Christl said, both would've been greats but Lynn Dickey wasn't too shabby even as a parking meter in the pocket.

There have been many guys over the years I've felt cheated out of seeing blossom with the Packers over the years.

Eddie Lee Ivery was a guy I wrote a song about back when I was a kid... Ellis and Ivery side by side in the Packers backfield. Pure cheese, but I was living in Wisconsin and but a wee lad.

Tim Lewis, Jermichael Finley, Terrence Murphy, Nick Collins, Sterling Sharpe, LeRoy Butler(wanted all the years we could get), Justin Harrell, Mark D'Onofrio, Robbie Bosco, Jeremy Thompson, Desmond Bishop are just some of the names that come to mind. I would've added Sherrod but hoping we finally get a chance at seeing him this season.


I remember Mark D'Onofrio. Tore his hammy. Second rounder.

I'd have to say Eddie Lee Ivery, although he did have a pretty good career. Tim Lewis, Sterling Sharpe. Terrence Murphy was lost before he did anything. With him, we didn't even know what we missed.

I was REALLY excited about Robbie Bosco as a kid. But we'd have never had him if he hadn't already shredded his shoulder. I think we got him in the third. Dude dislocated his shoulder in college, kept playing all year with it. At QB. Great player, just didn't have an arm left by the time we got him.

Gerry Berry was another one with the neck thing. He was another Darren Sharper, as far as skill set.
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#3 Posted : Friday, June 6, 2014 5:42:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
Terrence Murphy


Terrence Murphy was one that I remember really getting excited about only for it to come crashing to an end on that neck injury/discovery of spinal stenosis in Carolina.

I'm pretty sure the week before he had scored his first NFL touchdown only to have it called back on some bullshit penalty; I think it was illegal man down field on Tauscher.
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#4 Posted : Friday, June 6, 2014 5:47:59 PM(UTC)
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Definitely Eddie Lee Ivery.

He was something special.

I admire him also for making a career despite the killer injury.

(And, though he's not a Packer, Gale Sayers. I'm convinced that, had he not blown out the knee, he would have been the greatest ever.)
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Offline mi_keys  
#5 Posted : Friday, June 6, 2014 6:02:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
Eddie Lee Ivery was a guy I wrote a song about back when I was a kid...



This it?
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Offline dfosterf  
#6 Posted : Friday, June 6, 2014 6:37:02 PM(UTC)
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Sterling Sharpe was our number one highlight for 28 friggin' years. (This is known as the "drought") He was AWESOME, imo.
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Offline OlHoss1884  
#7 Posted : Friday, June 6, 2014 7:39:25 PM(UTC)
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Sterling Sharpe may still make the HOF depite the shortened career...had he not gotten hurt he would have ended up with Rice-Like numbers.
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Offline Jacob  
#8 Posted : Friday, June 6, 2014 8:40:00 PM(UTC)
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I dont know, I think nick collins was shaping out to be pretty beastly....kind of miss him.
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#9 Posted : Friday, June 6, 2014 9:01:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 Go to Quoted Post
Sterling Sharpe may still make the HOF depite the shortened career...had he not gotten hurt he would have ended up with Rice-Like numbers.


Sadly, for Sterling's sake, he was known as a first class prick so the odds he's voted in aren't real strong. That shouldn't play a role in voting, but it does.

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#10 Posted : Friday, June 6, 2014 9:08:03 PM(UTC)
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For me it's Sterling Sharpe, LeRoy Butler and Terrence Murphy the most... Nick Collins probably should be there as well, but I don't know... I guess I'm just at peace with that one for some strange reason. I think Sharpe, Butler and Collins could of become locks for the NFL HOF, but aren't because of their injuries.


Murphy is a guy I barely ever hear about because Jennings was able to come in and play with away, which made people forget about Murphy.... but when Murphy came in, he seemed extremely raw talent... I think it would of taken him at least 3 years to get everything down and I might even guess they full break out might not come until year four... but his raw physical potential... it was a lot higher than any of these other WRs we have gotten, higher than Jennings, Nelson and Cobb. I felt like the kid had a ton of potential, if he was a hard worker and stayed out of trouble he was a lock for being a future #1 no questions asked type WR and feel like that was all taken away from the Packers.


I don't know I kind of disagree with Jermichael Finley and Jeremy Thompson being on this list... I guess Finley the first time because he was amazing before his first injury, but he also had a season where he was mentally off, and wasn't on the same page with Rodgers and other off the field drama stuff, so I guess I feel like it wasn't all injury with him.

Thompson, when healthy, had amazing movement skills for his size... and looked like an all star in shorts and then disappeared when the pads came on... I think that was simply not being mentally physical/tough... and injury did take him, but even if he stayed healthy, I'm not sure he would of become more than a ST/back-up guy.
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Offline nerdmann  
#11 Posted : Friday, June 6, 2014 9:11:45 PM(UTC)
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I was high on Jeremy Thompson. I thought he would have been a very good OLB for the new Capers system. Never proved it though.

As for Butler, he was great, but his career wasn't shortened appreciably. He was already getting up there.
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Offline Dulak  
#12 Posted : Saturday, June 7, 2014 5:40:39 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
I was high on Jeremy Thompson. I thought he would have been a very good OLB for the new Capers system. Never proved it though.

As for Butler, he was great, but his career wasn't shortened appreciably. He was already getting up there.


ya I remember thompson also = never got the chance ... lump him collins and now finley into the neck injury - writing them off and making money
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#13 Posted : Saturday, June 7, 2014 6:10:53 AM(UTC)
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I really miss Bishop. For a couple years there if we needed a big play or a big stop the guy was always there. He's as much the reason we won the Superbowl as anyone else on that team. Even the years we had a bad D he never let up like the players did last year. Dude was always 100%. He's about the only guy on either side of the ball who came to play against the Giants in the 2011 playoffs. Funny thing is he's a FA but I think that hamstring injury basically ended his career.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, June 7, 2014 6:37:33 AM(UTC)
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Javon Walker. I think quite a few of us do not appreciate the true talent that kid had. Favre recognized it and said he was the best WR except Sharpe.


The injury, plus (this is speculation on my end) having an agent ruining his mind is what ruined his career with the Packers. Then when he was traded to the Broncos he was inches away from a tragedy and i think that pretty much says it all for him.
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#15 Posted : Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:16:19 AM(UTC)
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Javon Walker is a good one... He was mega talented but he was dumb as gum. A wonderlic 7...and I happened to cross his path long ago and had a conversation with him. What a nice but not real bright guy.

I do think that is right on...the best we've had since Sharpe.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, June 8, 2014 8:00:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
Sadly, for Sterling's sake, he was known as a first class prick so the odds he's voted in aren't real strong. That shouldn't play a role in voting, but it does.



Are you sure you're not confusing him with his brother?

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#17 Posted : Sunday, June 8, 2014 8:03:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
Javon Walker is a good one... He was mega talented but he was dumb as gum. A wonderlic 7...and I happened to cross his path long ago and had a conversation with him. What a nice but not real bright guy.

I do think that is right on...the best we've had since Sharpe.


I got him to sign a frisbee golf disc of mine at a bar in Green Bay once. As you said, nice enough guy, all the talent in the world, but lacking a bit between the ears.

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#18 Posted : Sunday, June 8, 2014 11:05:34 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: musccy Go to Quoted Post
Are you sure you're not confusing him with his brother?



Positive. Sterling Sharpe embargoed the media as a rookie. He never spoke to them.

EDIT: Here's a little taste of just how bad Sterling Sharpe was perceived...I have to type it out because I can't cut and paste from the link... From:

Packers by the Numbers: Jersey Numbers and the Players who Wore Them
By John Maxymuk

When Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Columnist Bud Lea was asked who were the biggest jerks he dealt with in his nearly 50 years covering the Packers, he rated Sterling Sharpe number one.

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#19 Posted : Sunday, June 8, 2014 11:36:21 AM(UTC)
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http://leftoverhotdog.co...sharpe-ass-of-asses.html

"To say former USC and NFL standout wide receiver Sterling Sharpe is a jerk is like saying New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick is curt. It’s accurate, but it doesn’t begin to describe the depths of self-righteousness their egos have plumbed."

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#20 Posted : Sunday, June 8, 2014 11:43:09 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
http://leftoverhotdog.com/articles/football/sterling-sharpe-ass-of-asses.html

"To say former USC and NFL standout wide receiver Sterling Sharpe is a jerk is like saying New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick is curt. It’s accurate, but it doesn’t begin to describe the depths of self-righteousness their egos have plumbed."

check this out


LOL! I read that piece! Also, I read an excerpt from another book... it said Sterling who was famous for being a dick when approached for an autograph would come in every week to bags full of mail and post cards. He would sit at his locker and sign every single request he received. The writer of that book said... "That was the enigma that was Sterling Sharpe."

A media member once saw Sterling Sharpe at the SuperBowl and put someone up to saying HEY, THAT'S STERLING SHARPE just so he could say loudly back where Sterling could hear it... WHO CARES? Not a nice thing to do but it shows the level of hatred Sterling inspired.
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#21 Posted : Sunday, June 8, 2014 11:46:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
LOL! I read that piece! Also, I read an excerpt from another book... it said Sterling who was famous for being a dick when approached for an autograph would come in every week to bags full of mail and post cards. He would sit at his locker and sign every single request he received. The writer of that book said... "That was the enigma that was Sterling Sharpe."

A media member once saw Sterling Sharpe at the SuperBowl and put someone up to saying HEY, THAT'S STERLING SHARPE just so he could say loudly back where Sterling could hear it... WHO CARES? Not a nice thing to do but it shows the level of hatred Sterling inspired.


hauahuaha. if this guy really was such an asshole that he deserved this kind of treatment, then awesome.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, June 8, 2014 3:56:54 PM(UTC)
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and Ty Cobb was as bad a human being as ever wore cleats but he was a helluva player.
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#23 Posted : Sunday, June 8, 2014 6:09:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: musccy Go to Quoted Post
Are you sure you're not confusing him with his brother?



Being a dick to the media isn't the same thing as being a dick to the fans.

Probably because he wouldn't give them their free sound bites. The media doesn't like to get off their jelly doughnut filled asses and actually work for a real story. Anyone who makes them do that instead of being human microphone stands is vilified.

He could be the greatest guy in the world, but if he doesn't spoon feed the media their stories for them, we wouldn't know. Because the media would be to busy grinding their axes to tell anyone the truth.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.

Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
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#24 Posted : Sunday, June 8, 2014 6:15:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
Being a dick to the media isn't the same thing as being a dick to the fans.

Probably because he wouldn't give them their free sound bites. The media doesn't like to get off their jelly doughnut filled asses and actually work for a real story. Anyone who makes them do that instead of being human microphone stands is vilified.

He could be the greatest guy in the world, but if he doesn't spoon feed the media their stories for them, we wouldn't know. Because the media would be to busy grinding their axes to tell anyone the truth.



As I recall, Sterling felt that the local media had douchebagged him as a rookie, so he only spoke to national media after that.
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#25 Posted : Sunday, June 8, 2014 6:24:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
As I recall, Sterling felt that the local media had douchebagged him as a rookie, so he only spoke to national media after that.


That is they way I understood it.

I never heard a fan say he was a jerk. Only the media.
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Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
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