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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Monday, June 9, 2014 10:43:07 AM(UTC)
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Offline Pack93z  
#2 Posted : Monday, June 9, 2014 11:26:03 AM(UTC)
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The candy asses known as Quarterbacks are already overpaid.. no raises needed. Beating Deadhorse
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#3 Posted : Monday, June 9, 2014 11:30:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
The candy asses known as Quarterbacks are already overpaid.. no raises needed. Beating Deadhorse


Candy asses they may be but they sure are damn important as we unfortunately saw last year lol.
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#4 Posted : Monday, June 9, 2014 1:05:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Candy asses they may be but they sure are damn important as we unfortunately saw last year lol.
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I agree, but that is only because the game of football has been altered to make the passing game more "exciting" for the fans.. the NFL wants scoring in bunches.. letting receivers run unscathed accomplishes this. Hence the QB because more vital to keep up with the Jones.. unless you have a elite defense, you better be able to score in bunches.

So they have now over protected the QB.. made their jobs easier due to lax coverages because of a myriad of rules to benefit the offenses, and now we want to prop them up even further in terms of glory and money. U-rah-rah-rah... puke my guts out.

Green Bay was been too dependent on the QB to cover other aspects of the football team.. hence when we lost our elite QB.. the entire team suffered.. hell it would have been worse if they hadn't committed to the run last season more. I love we have had back to back elite QB's, don't get me wrong, but at the same time we covered alot of our warts because of them as well. Complacent if you will.. from failing to stock the offensive line or receiver positions at times to accepting mediocrity on the defensive side of the ball and forgetting that running the ball at times and balance helps the entire freaking team.

Anyway.. I know that it is not popular, but the QB position is given way to much credit to the wins and equally to much blame to the losses. You can have an average QB and still win in this league if you take care of the other facets of the game.. but everyone wants to air it out and have "that guy" on the face of the franchise. Screw it.. build a team and then if you want prop up your token pretty boy QB... knock yourself the F&^$ out. lol.

Ahh... that feels better now. Big Grin
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#5 Posted : Monday, June 9, 2014 1:38:08 PM(UTC)
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Quarterback and Center touch the ball every single offensive play. That makes them the most important players. Most QB's have to make reads and know when to throw it, when to hold it, when to toss it out of bounds. The game rides solely on the play of the QB, that is why they are the most important player in the game. Some rules over protect the QB, no argument there. A lot of rules favor the offense, no argument there. It is something that should be fixed or corrected. Although, as long as we continue to go to the games, watch the games, buy everything we can with our teams logo on it, it will not change.

Saying QB is given too much credit is like saying a General doesn't deserve any credit after winning a battle.

The true candy asses in the NFL are WR and CB's.

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#6 Posted : Monday, June 9, 2014 1:45:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post


Saying QB is given too much credit is like saying a General doesn't deserve any credit after winning a battle.


Some credit is deserved just as any other player upon that field.. but just like a General.. he will not win any damn thing without the troops.. and those that execute his play. And honestly.. the HC is the general, or should be, for each team.

And per my limited knowledge of the game of football.. I don't see many QB's play a freaking snap of defense. Hell.. they barely play special teams.Big Grin

I am all for giving the QB is due.. no problem.. but trying to give them 20 % of every teams due.. come the hell on now.. lol.
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#7 Posted : Monday, June 9, 2014 3:11:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post

I am all for giving the QB is due.. no problem.. but trying to give them 20 % of every teams due.. come the hell on now.. lol.


I don't see any problem at all with the amount of pay for guys like Rodgers, Brees, Manning. The problem is when teams pay similar money to guys like Ryan, Flacco, Kaepernick who cannot actually carry a team like the elite QBs do but get the huge pay day like they do. Though that doesn't bother me either because it makes those teams weaker. I think people are getting too carried away with the numbers though, QBs have always been paid the largest % of a teams cap money, nothing is really changed as far as that's concerned.
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#8 Posted : Monday, June 9, 2014 3:56:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
I don't see any problem at all with the amount of pay for guys like Rodgers, Brees, Manning. The problem is when teams pay similar money to guys like Ryan, Flacco, Kaepernick who cannot actually carry a team like the elite QBs do but get the huge pay day like they do. Though that doesn't bother me either because it makes those teams weaker. I think people are getting too carried away with the numbers though, QBs have always been paid the largest % of a teams cap money, nothing is really changed as far as that's concerned.


Sure.. they may or may not have always been the highest paid.. but in the course of just over 13 years.. the top of the scale has increased by just over 4% of the total cap number...which is equivalent to what ~ 5 million a year.. that is a nice player in today's market that is not a QB.

Now factor in the winning QB's from 2000 to 2012 have amassed an average of 7.49% of the SB winning teams cap. The top five QB's are now above 16% of their teams caps. And yes... I was wrong on the percentage... shoot me.. lol.

The owners took steps to protect their clubs from overpaying players in the last CBA.. apparently they need more protection.... lol.

QB inflation.
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Quarterback and Center touch the ball every single offensive play. That makes them the most important players. Most QB's have to make reads and know when to throw it, when to hold it, when to toss it out of bounds. The game rides solely on the play of the QB, that is why they are the most important player in the game. Some rules over protect the QB, no argument there. A lot of rules favor the offense, no argument there. It is something that should be fixed or corrected. Although, as long as we continue to go to the games, watch the games, buy everything we can with our teams logo on it, it will not change.

Saying QB is given too much credit is like saying a General doesn't deserve any credit after winning a battle.

The true candy asses in the NFL are WR and CB's.


Well, Foster can correct me on this, but IMO generals *do* get too much credit. Stars are primary evidence of political skills, not military skills.

Don't get me wrong, there are great generals. But battles are won by sergeants, corporals, and privates. Or, if you must credit officers, by captains and colonels.

IMO.

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#10 Posted : Monday, June 9, 2014 4:35:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Sure.. they may or may not have always been the highest paid.. but in the course of just over 13 years.. the top of the scale has increased by just over 4% of the total cap number...which is equivalent to what ~ 5 million a year.. that is a nice player in today's market that is not a QB.

Now factor in the winning QB's from 2000 to 2012 have amassed an average of 7.49% of the SB winning teams cap. The top five QB's are now above 16% of their teams caps. And yes... I was wrong on the percentage... shoot me.. lol.

The owners took steps to protect their clubs from overpaying players in the last CBA.. apparently they need more protection.... lol.

QB inflation.


Unfortunately now some of these guys are leading their team on their rookie contracts and only getting 1% of their team cap. I think some of these guys are deeming it a bit of payback for being underpaid in their rookie deals.

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#11 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 6:04:37 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla Go to Quoted Post
Unfortunately now some of these guys are leading their team on their rookie contracts and only getting 1% of their team cap. I think some of these guys are deeming it a bit of payback for being underpaid in their rookie deals.



Agreed, and I get why teams do that, I think the Packers overpaid some of their own like Finley and CM3 maybe for similar reasons, I don't know.

Bottom line is you earn what a team is willing to pay you. If we wanted to retroactively compensate fairly for every snap of the ball it'd be a nightmare. Jemarcus Russel and Albert Haynesworth would owe some $ while the Packers would owe Jordy quite a bit. We're over analyzing.
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