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Offline uffda udfa  
#1 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 2:13:11 PM(UTC)
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The rumblings are out there that Murphy wants to extend TT. Do you want to see this happen?

There are various ways to go with this one and hopefully we can get into all of the offshoots of what deciding to or not means for this organization.

My initial reaction is NO. I don't want to see him extended. He seems tired and past his expiration date. The NFL is a horrible grind even for the single.

I would be invigorated by a new direction. Ted Thompson is so robotic that he's a hard guy to warm up to as one of the faces of our franchise. It'd be nice to see our franchise go for it a little bit more. I'm not talking becoming the Redskins or Raiders, just a little more urgency to win it every year instead of trying to keep the team above .500 for the long haul. A down year, or two, is worth winning one every once in awhile.

No more, TT. Thank you for your years of service and making the one pick that defined your tenure...Aaron Rodgers. Enjoy retirement, or maybe we could retain you in some kind of scouting consultant role.

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Offline Yerko  
#2 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 2:18:20 PM(UTC)
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I am a huge believer in what Ted Thompson does and what he has done for this organization. He's a straight-shooter and sticks to his beliefs on what makes a successful football team.
He just did an interview recently asking about how long he wants to do this (or something along those lines) and he said he was not done. No retirement needed.

Extend him.
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Offline DakotaT  
#3 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 2:44:40 PM(UTC)
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Uffda really like to stir the pot, gotta love it. Uncle Ted stays for as long as we have Rodgers, then after that we can have our huge shake-up.

BUT, for being a former NFL linebacker, he sure is having a hard time finding quality linebackers to play a 3-4 defence. Epic fail in my opinion.
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#4 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 3:12:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Uffda really like to stir the pot, gotta love it. Uncle Ted stays for as long as we have Rodgers, then after that we can have our huge shake-up.

BUT, for being a former NFL linebacker, he sure is having a hard time finding quality linebackers to play a 3-4 defence. Epic fail in my opinion.


Elliot Wolf isn't ready yet.
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Offline sschind  
#5 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 3:47:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
The rumblings are out there that Murphy wants to extend TT. Do you want to see this happen?

There are various ways to go with this one and hopefully we can get into all of the offshoots of what deciding to or not means for this organization.

My initial reaction is NO. I don't want to see him extended. He seems tired and past his expiration date. The NFL is a horrible grind even for the single.

I would be invigorated by a new direction. Ted Thompson is so robotic that he's a hard guy to warm up to as one of the faces of our franchise. It'd be nice to see our franchise go for it a little bit more. I'm not talking becoming the Redskins or Raiders, just a little more urgency to win it every year instead of trying to keep the team above .500 for the long haul. A down year, or two, is worth winning one every once in awhile.

No more, TT. Thank you for your years of service and making the one pick that defined your tenure...Aaron Rodgers. Enjoy retirement, or maybe we could retain you in some kind of scouting consultant role.



Unless he trades for Jimmy Graham right?Big Grin

I don't care if our GM is a guy you can warm up to. I don't need to warm up to him, he is not my friend. All I ask of him is to build a competitve team year in and year out and for the most part he has done that. Do I like everything he has done? Of course not but there are few teams that have had what the Packers have had inthe time that Ted has been our GM and I feel he has done a superior job.

As fans we tend to see things a little more strongly one way or the other. We love him and he can do no wrong or we hate him and he screws everything up. That is why listening to fans is probably not the best way to get an accurate assesment. if you ask those people who have no vested interest in the Packers but still know a lot about football (yeah, I mean the experts) they will probably put Thompson in the top 5 of GMs and I agree

To piggyback on your question though if I may. If Thompson is extended chances are almost certain that McCarthy will be as well. If you don't like McCarthy perhaps you would be willing to sacrifice Thompson to get rid of him.

I guess the question is do you want to go with the devil you know or the devil you don't know. There is no guarantee that whoever replaces him will be as effective (even his last name is Wolf) and IMO odds are he won't be as successfull so I say keep him around.
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Offline uffda udfa  
#6 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 4:08:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
Unless he trades for Jimmy Graham right?Big Grin

I don't care if our GM is a guy you can warm up to. I don't need to warm up to him, he is not my friend. All I ask of him is to build a competitve team year in and year out and for the most part he has done that. Do I like everything he has done? Of course not but there are few teams that have had what the Packers have had inthe time that Ted has been our GM and I feel he has done a superior job.

As fans we tend to see things a little more strongly one way or the other. We love him and he can do no wrong or we hate him and he screws everything up. That is why listening to fans is probably not the best way to get an accurate assesment. if you ask those people who have no vested interest in the Packers but still know a lot about football (yeah, I mean the experts) they will probably put Thompson in the top 5 of GMs and I agree

To piggyback on your question though if I may. If Thompson is extended chances are almost certain that McCarthy will be as well. If you don't like McCarthy perhaps you would be willing to sacrifice Thompson to get rid of him.

I guess the question is do you want to go with the devil you know or the devil you don't know. There is no guarantee that whoever replaces him will be as effective (even his last name is Wolf) and IMO odds are he won't be as successfull so I say keep him around.


Oh, how the drafting of Aaron Rodgers has covered a multitude of sins. The mileage Ted Thompson has gotten out of one draft pick has masked multiple failings of his. We all saw last year what our franchise is minus a superstar QB and it isn't pretty at all. The unprecedented run of QB brilliance is nearing it's end. I'm sure Ted Thompson is well aware of that. If he agrees to an extension I'm sure it will align with the end of Aaron Rodgers time here.

The Packers cupboard is a lot more bare than anyone here would ever want to let on. Last year was a real wake up call as an in season return to what life before Brett and Aaron was on full display.

I'm not a big Mike McCarthy fan although he's grown on me a little. I find him to possess a false toughness trying hard to exude the Pittsburgh vibe we were promised when we "stole" him as O. Coord of the 32nd ranked offense in the NFL.

Oh, yes, the TT/MM pairing has been successful in gigantic part to Aaron Rodgers. My 2nd favorite Ted Thompson move since coming aboard was his slamming the door on our egomaniacal former QB. He made a very tough PR move for the good of this franchise. I applaud and will always admire that.

The big mistake this franchise made was the exit plan after Holmgren's exodus. If I get my wish and Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy go I hope we bring in a big time coach and GM. Another Mike Sherman type hire and I will go insane. You could point to Sherman years as successful going by overall record, but, again, like TT/MM Sherman was propped up by Brett Favre. No doubt Wolf and Holmgren were by Brett as well, but Wolf added key pieces via FA that brought us to back to back SB's which is a very difficult feat especially in this cap era.

I'd love to see a tough fiery HC like a Jim Harbaugh and a passionate personality plus type for GM ala Ron Wolf that likes to go for it when he smells blood. The combo now thinks good enough is good enough. I want the type that realizes good enough is not good enough unless we win it all and everything revolves around that not just trying to be "competitive" year after year. I believe it was Ted Thompson who said years ago he was trying to provide a winning foundation year after year and if they could get one every once in awhile that would be great. The goal was to be consistently competitive not to win it all. Our Packer tradition once was and should be all about: Winning isn't everything it's the only thing. That sadly seems to apply to the regular season only in Green Bay. Just be above .500 and take your chances with your star QB in the playoffs. Not good enough for me.

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Offline StarrMax1  
#7 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 7:59:53 PM(UTC)
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Ted Thompson deserves an extension if he wants one.

His record speaks for itself.

I'm gonna need someone to post a 9 year study by a reputables source, along with 7 - 10 articles spelling out how Ted Thompson has left the cupboard bare, and at least 5 quotes from the "Talking head " so -called experts that Ted should not be extended.

Until I see these things, since nobody but huffy duffy's opinion matters anymore, I am going to stay with my already stated opinion that Yes Ted Thompson deserves to be extended.

Can't wait to see how many pages it takes for me too change my opinion, but one thing I am sure of, it will happen!!!!!
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Offline uffda udfa  
#8 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 8:38:19 PM(UTC)
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If you don't feel wrong, already, I have failed. :(

What is interesting to me is Mike Sherman had a better winning percentage as GM vs. TT. The real differentiator between the two is Sherman never drafted a star like Rodgers and Ted Thompson did.
I don't think Ted Thompson would be in Green Bay, today, minus that Rodgers selection, but the fact is he made the pick and is entitled to all the credit.

I think the winning % speaks to the idea that both Sherman and Ted Thompson were benefactors of having star QB's. The Packers are a well below .500 team minus Aaron Rodgers. 2-5-1 without him...but I realize other key guys were hurt, too. Point is we could put Mike Sherman back as GM and get the same results we're getting with TT. I want a GM and a HC who can make our Aaron Rodgers led team great a juggernaut, not just competitive. To have Rodgers and Favre all these years and to have only been competitive and have 2 rings is not enough for having two guys like that for those years.





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Offline DakotaT  
#9 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 9:19:51 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
If you don't feel wrong, already, I have failed. :(

What is interesting to me is Mike Sherman had a better winning percentage as GM vs. TT. The real differentiator between the two is Sherman never drafted a star like Rodgers and Ted Thompson did.
I don't think Ted Thompson would be in Green Bay, today, minus that Rodgers selection, but the fact is he made the pick and is entitled to all the credit.

I think the winning % speaks to the idea that both Sherman and Ted Thompson were benefactors of having star QB's. The Packers are a well below .500 team minus Aaron Rodgers. 2-5-1 without him...but I realize other key guys were hurt, too. Point is we could put Mike Sherman back as GM and get the same results we're getting with TT. I want a GM and a HC who can make our Aaron Rodgers led team great a juggernaut, not just competitive. To have Rodgers and Favre all these years and to have only been competitive and have 2 rings is not enough for having two guys like that for those years.







OMFG STFU, now! At the end of Sherman's reign of terror we had cap hell with major contracts due to our LT, LG, and RG and had absolutely no depth anywhere on the roster. And do we need to be reminded of the Joe Johnson/Cletidus Hunt/Mike McKenzie horror stories?

I appreciate you trying to interject some life into this forum but the difference between Uncle Ted and Mike Sherman is obvious and this is going to hit you right between eyes: was Mike Sherman ever offered another GM job or even a major coaching job in the NFL again? Uncle Ted would write his own ticket if we were stupid enough to get rid of him.

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#10 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 9:37:58 PM(UTC)
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I'm dissapointed, I thought by now, there would at least be 1 or 2 "Expert quotes" posted.

Guess I'll check back tomorrow.

See what kind of minutia has been written on the subject.

Ted Thompson has succeeded wherever he has been, would be a really dumb idea to not extend him.

He may have a change of heart and decide to move on, but from his comments from a couple of weeks ago, don't think that's going to happen.
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#11 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 10:14:51 PM(UTC)
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So, we get rid of Thompson and replace him with whom exactly?
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#12 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 11:24:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
OMFG STFU, now! At the end of Sherman's reign of terror we had cap hell with major contracts due to our LT, LG, and RG and had absolutely no depth anywhere on the roster. And do we need to be reminded of the Joe Johnson/Cletidus Hunt/Mike McKenzie horror stories?

I appreciate you trying to interject some life into this forum but the difference between Uncle Ted and Mike Sherman is obvious and this is going to hit you right between eyes: was Mike Sherman ever offered another GM job or even a major coaching job in the NFL again? Uncle Ted would write his own ticket if we were stupid enough to get rid of him.


The fact remains, Mike Sherman the GM, left Green Bay with a better winning % than Ted Thompson currently has. Joe Johnson got injured. Is that his fault? Were you upset that Sherman dealt a 2nd for Al Harris? Javon Walker was as talented, if not more talented than any WR Ted Thompson drafted. When you come to grips as to why Sherman has a better winning % than Ted Thompson you'll be on the right path as to why Ted Thompson needs to go. It's the QB, man. The quarterback. Sherman wasn't all that outstanding but he rode Brett's coattails. The exact same way Ted Thompson is riding Aaron's. Aaron goes down, and we went right back the quarter century of garbage football we had to endure before Brett and Aaron.

Who would replace him? A man who is obsessed with winning WORLD championships, not divisional titles. There are few things I find funnier than when I see a shirt, hat, etc. proclaiming "X" NFL team won a divisional championship. Are you kidding me? That is for people who relish small goals while neglecting the bigger ones.

Do you guys really enjoy watching one and dones at the expense of a real shot at a championship run? OR...have you bought the myth the org wants you to that says... If we have Aaron Rodgers we always have a chance just like it was...if you have Brett Favre you always have a chance. As a fan, I want to see the ultimate goal. Losing in the 1st round of the playoffs is no better than going 4-12. I'd rather go 4-12 to get higher picks in each round of the draft than to continue exiting in Round 1. How many years would you like to be the Niners beyotch? Had enough yet? The D has been a huge problem... let's just keep Dom. Status quo...winning the division and losing in round 1 is fine because the typical Packer fan is happy he can brag to his Bear and Viking fan buddies that his team won the division. Pathetic.

Take me back to what happened the year before we won the SB. We went through major changes because not winning it all wasn't good enough. Enter many new coaching faces pumping new fire and direction into this organization. We rode it to a SB Championship. This team was fat dumb and happy after that. If ever there was an offseason for a major shake up it was after Kaepernick ran wild on us ending our season in embarrassing fashion. We comeback the next year and lose the opener to them..again...and they end our season...again. What huge changes are made on the coaching staff... a couple of guys claim they want to spend more time with their families and Mike McCarthy says he's going to be more involved with the D? Scheme is going to be fitted better? Huh? You had to lose year after year after year due to your defense and you're going to adjust things? That is the solution? Definition of insanity almost... just that we're doing these minor tweaks thinking they'll bring major changes. Ted Thompson is the head of this org and he just watches this go on? His solution to things is to leave things the same and add a 34 year old DE and position switch him in the twilight of his career? That is our solution?

Tick, tick, tick another year off Aaron Rodgers career not sold out to win another championship but Packer fans are still content. They can talk about the one from 2010 as if it was yesterday. They'll also be content when Aaron is finished to look back on almost 30 years of HOF QB play and say, well, at least we made it to 3 SB's...that's one per each decade.

Meanwhile, in Seattle...
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Still patiently waiting for any verification that Ted Thompson has left the cupboard bare, and that he doesn't deserve to have his contract extended.

I'm ready to change my opinion, just need one article from "an NFL expert" talking head.

1 story that there have been "grumblings" from The Organization.

1 mention from from ESPN, CBS, FOX, NBC, that The Packers are in real trouble because of the way Ted Thompson has put together the team.

1 Tweet? There has to be one out there somewhere.

How about a FB post?

This is really frustrating, I can't be right that Ted Thompson deserves an extension if he wants one.

Somebody please send out a negative tweet about Ted Thompson, I will be able to rest better after I read it.


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#14 Posted : Saturday, July 12, 2014 9:22:28 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
The fact remains, Mike Sherman the GM, left Green Bay with a better winning % than Ted Thompson currently has. Joe Johnson got injured. Is that his fault? Were you upset that Sherman dealt a 2nd for Al Harris? Javon Walker was as talented, if not more talented than any WR Ted Thompson drafted. When you come to grips as to why Sherman has a better winning % than Ted Thompson you'll be on the right path as to why Ted Thompson needs to go. It's the QB, man. The quarterback. Sherman wasn't all that outstanding but he rode Brett's coattails. The exact same way Ted Thompson is riding Aaron's. Aaron goes down, and we went right back the quarter century of garbage football we had to endure before Brett and Aaron.

Who would replace him? A man who is obsessed with winning WORLD championships, not divisional titles. There are few things I find funnier than when I see a shirt, hat, etc. proclaiming "X" NFL team won a divisional championship. Are you kidding me? That is for people who relish small goals while neglecting the bigger ones.

Do you guys really enjoy watching one and dones at the expense of a real shot at a championship run? OR...have you bought the myth the org wants you to that says... If we have Aaron Rodgers we always have a chance just like it was...if you have Brett Favre you always have a chance. As a fan, I want to see the ultimate goal. Losing in the 1st round of the playoffs is no better than going 4-12. I'd rather go 4-12 to get higher picks in each round of the draft than to continue exiting in Round 1. How many years would you like to be the Niners beyotch? Had enough yet? The D has been a huge problem... let's just keep Dom. Status quo...winning the division and losing in round 1 is fine because the typical Packer fan is happy he can brag to his Bear and Viking fan buddies that his team won the division. Pathetic.

Take me back to what happened the year before we won the SB. We went through major changes because not winning it all wasn't good enough. Enter many new coaching faces pumping new fire and direction into this organization. We rode it to a SB Championship. This team was fat dumb and happy after that. If ever there was an offseason for a major shake up it was after Kaepernick ran wild on us ending our season in embarrassing fashion. We comeback the next year and lose the opener to them..again...and they end our season...again. What huge changes are made on the coaching staff... a couple of guys claim they want to spend more time with their families and Mike McCarthy says he's going to be more involved with the D? Scheme is going to be fitted better? Huh? You had to lose year after year after year due to your defense and you're going to adjust things? That is the solution? Definition of insanity almost... just that we're doing these minor tweaks thinking they'll bring major changes. Ted Thompson is the head of this org and he just watches this go on? His solution to things is to leave things the same and add a 34 year old DE and position switch him in the twilight of his career? That is our solution?

Tick, tick, tick another year off Aaron Rodgers career not sold out to win another championship but Packer fans are still content. They can talk about the one from 2010 as if it was yesterday. They'll also be content when Aaron is finished to look back on almost 30 years of HOF QB play and say, well, at least we made it to 3 SB's...that's one per each decade.

Meanwhile, in Seattle...


What a joke. Sherman? Give me a break man. You know better, too. Mike Sherman took over a team Wolfe had loaded up. Those teams, without question, should have won more than 1 SB, but the personnel side of that had nothing to do with Sherman. He rode Wolfe's roster until they were all old and done and brought in virtually nothing. You want to talk depleted player quality. After a few short years under Sherman the team went from loaded to crap. Sherman's draft record, ability to find undrafted players, however you want to judge, stunk. Half the players on his last team didn't even belong in the NFL (a comment Wolfe made by the way) and that proved true because after Thompson purged the roster most never started a game for anybody.
Sherman's last years team had 0 chance of winning a division, making the playoffs, or, getting a whiff of a shot at a SB.
All things today within reach.

I guess you could always argue the point about all the teams lined up to grab Sherman after GB canned his ass. Oh, that's right there weren't any. EVER. It has probably never dawned on you that the only reason Sherman has a better winning percentage is because they got rid of his ass when they did? If they had kept him around another couple of years the team would have been a total disaster and thank God Murphy pulled the plug when he did. It was a mercy killing for Sherman. The evil side of me says they should have kept him and let the world see how pathetic he was.

Mike Sherman. Jesus. Like comparing Heidi Klum to freaking Rosie O'Donnell.

I will finish with a comment about your Javon Walker statement. WHAT? He essentially played 6 seasons ( a 7th lost to injury) had 4000 yards receiving and 31 TDs. In six seasons Jordy Nelson has had 4600 yards receiving and 36 TD's. Jennings had 6500 yards and 53 TD's over 7 years. But somehow here, you have it figured, Walker is better than any receiver Thompson has brought in. I mean the guy had ONE good year for the Packers. C'mon man. You can do better than that, or then again, maybe not. Sherman's list of quality players is pretty damn thin.


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#15 Posted : Saturday, July 12, 2014 9:27:20 AM(UTC)
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Mike Sherman only has a better regular season record in Green Bay if you lay no blame on him for 2005, a year in which he was still the head coach and most of the team was still pieces built by either him or a few layaways from Wolfe.
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