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Offline packerfanoutwest  
#1 Posted : Saturday, July 12, 2014 7:23:44 AM(UTC)
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Over the course of the past couple of days you've heard the news out of the Green Bay Packers camp about the decision not to retire Brett Favre's jersey number this year — for a number of vague and innocuous reasons — with the most mentioned being that everyone's afraid the fans will boo. What?
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#2 Posted : Saturday, July 12, 2014 7:28:12 AM(UTC)
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I haven't thought of it as an excuse, more so a valid reason. I'd say the best solution is to do it at Lambeau Field before the season starts. Pack the stands. Then play 20 minutes of Brett's best moments on an off the field to pump up the crowd and then have Brett come running out of the tunnel raising his helmet high with one hand.

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#3 Posted : Saturday, July 12, 2014 9:42:34 AM(UTC)
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I think I heard Favre might still come up for a game this year. I think that would be a good first step. There's no rush in retiring his number. We all know it's going to happen and more likely sooner rather than later. In the meantime, why not come back up for a game and during warmups or half time he can come out and wave to the fans and all that jazz.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, July 12, 2014 12:20:57 PM(UTC)
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He needs to come back a few times before they retire the jersey. Otherwise he looks a little mercenary. Be a friend first before the marriage so to speak.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, July 12, 2014 1:40:37 PM(UTC)
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I think it's time. I have moved on and forgiven the guy. Just like a bitter break up, I'm not going to dwell on the past. I'd rather focus on the great moments, and there were MANY. I understand why both sides did what they did. They both made some mistakes in how they went about it, but I can understand why the Packers wanted to move on, and I can understand why Favre wanted to keep playing. Everything else is just immature crap that I don't care about anymore. I'd love for Favre to be welcomed back into the "Packers family," so to speak. As I have said multiple times before, it would be good for everyone. And I was as pissed at Favre as anyone. I pretty much "hated" the guy for a while. But I get over things, as should Favre, the Packers organization, and Packers fans, imo. But I know a bunch of idiots are going to still hate on the guy and boo him. But from my perspective, they are only making themselves look silly and small, no one else.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 8:39:14 AM(UTC)
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I wonder if LeBron will be booed in Cleveland? I think every Cavaliers fan wanted to lynch him when he left. How much you want to bet they all got over it yesterday?
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#7 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 8:52:17 AM(UTC)
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Fuck Favre.

If anything, he's gonna have to come out in the press and say great things about Aaron and Ted for a whole year before he even thinks about showing his face.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 6:52:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Fuck Favre.

If anything, he's gonna have to come out in the press and say great things about Aaron and Ted for a whole year before he even thinks about showing his face.


I don't really care that Favre played for the Vikings. It king of turned out exactly like I thought it would. They were welcomed to it.

But I very much disagree with Favre getting his jersey retired. He wasn't the 6th best Packer player ever. I think he doesn't deserve it any more than William Henderson or LeRoy Butler would.

He is not responsible for turning the team around. That was happening before he got here. He really didn't do much until Reggie and the D were great. Wolf, Harlan, Holmgren and White were more responsible for the mid '90s than Favre.

When they left, Favre didn't take the team anywhere and basically became an average QB. If Favre was the one responsible for getting them to the top, they should have stayed on top after the ones I think are responsible left.

I do think Favre was a very good QB. I think he was a HOF QB and belongs on the Ring Of Honor. I just don't think he was a good enough player or a good enough person.

After all he did run to the rest of the NFCN and decode his playbook to sabotage the team after he left.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 7:18:02 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post


I do think Favre was a very good QB. I think he was a HOF QB and belongs on the Ring Of Honor. I just don't think he was a good enough player or a good enough person.

After all he did run to the rest of the NFCN and decode his playbook to sabotage the team after he left.


He really did do some despicable things, as any petulant athlete diva would. I don't think egotistical people can ever really be sorry for anything because they don't think they did anything wrong in the first place. The NFL is going to force this little retirement thing down the throats of the Packers before he is inducted into the Hall of Fame. I just as soon wait until the year before he goes in. If Favre wasn't such a doucebag in his private life, I might think a little differently about him. But then I didn't demigod the guy like some other posters have, so my opinion is a little different then theirs would be.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 7:21:17 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
I do think Favre was a very good QB. I think he was a HOF QB and belongs on the Ring Of Honor. I just don't think he was a good enough player or a good enough person.

After all he did run to the rest of the NFCN and decode his playbook to sabotage the team after he left.


You're willing to chastise Brett Favre for things that you don't know if they happened to previous players? You're okay with that bias? What I'm getting at is, other players certainly did far worse and went under the radar due to pre-Twitter, pre-Facebook, pre-Social Media and certainly pre-Internet.

Imagine the stories about say Babe Ruth, or Paul Hornung if in today's world. Would you and do you hold them equally accountable?

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#11 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 7:35:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
You're willing to chastise Brett Favre for things that you don't know if they happened to previous players? You're okay with that bias? What I'm getting at is, other players certainly did far worse and went under the radar due to pre-Twitter, pre-Facebook, pre-Social Media and certainly pre-Internet.

Imagine the stories about say Babe Ruth, or Paul Hornung if in today's world. Would you and do you hold them equally accountable?



Curly Lambeau did the same kinds of things.

Look how long it took honor him. And he founded, played on, coached and owned the team. Favre was just a good QB on a great team.

His behavior is only half of it. I don't think Favre was good enough or important enough.

That is also a weak argument. I don't know what they did, so in case they did sabotaged their teams, walk out on them 3 times and tried to force them over the salary cap and roster limit, we should give Favre a pass.

My oldest kid might have gotten away with sneaking out with the car when he was 15, so I should just tell my youngest that it is OK for him to do it? Even though I have no reason to think he actually did.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 7:40:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
Curly Lambeau did the same kinds of things.

Look how long it took honor him. And he founded, played on, coached and owned the team. Favre was just a good QB on a great team.

His behavior is only half of it. I don't think Favre was good enough or important enough.

That is also a weak argument. I don't know what they did, so in case they did sabotaged their teams, walk out on them 3 times and tried to force them over the salary cap and roster limit, we should give Favre a pass.

My oldest kid might have gotten away with sneaking out with the car when he was 15, so I should just tell my youngest that it is OK for him to do it? Even though I have no reason to think he actually did.


You don't know that Brett Favre sabotaged the Packers either, yet you condemn him for it.
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#13 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 5:40:26 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
You're willing to chastise Brett Favre for things that you don't know if they happened to previous players? You're okay with that bias? What I'm getting at is, other players certainly did far worse and went under the radar due to pre-Twitter, pre-Facebook, pre-Social Media and certainly pre-Internet.

Imagine the stories about say Babe Ruth, or Paul Hornung if in today's world. Would you and do you hold them equally accountable?



Favre is worse than Ruth and Hornung combined. The internet says so and the internet is never wrong.
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#14 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 5:58:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
Favre is worse than Ruth and Hornung combined. The internet says so and the internet is never wrong.


The internet says you owe me $3,104.27 - you know my paypal, send transfer soon, k thanks.
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#15 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 6:22:42 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
You don't know that Brett Favre sabotaged the Packers either, yet you condemn him for it.


Favre was blackmailed to take a dive for the Strahan record and for ALL THOSE PLAYOFF GAMES. We know now how blackmailable he was.



That looks about as real as this:

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#16 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 6:51:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
The internet says you owe me $3,104.27 - you know my paypal, send transfer soon, k thanks.


well if the internet says so, it must be true. I am old so the check is in the mail.
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#17 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 8:12:26 AM(UTC)
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Here is my take on the whole thing. I was never that big of a Favre fan even when he was on the Packers. He made a lot of spectacular plays but he made a lot of bonehead plays as well. I was glad we had him as I think his good outweighed his bad but I never really bought into the whole aw shucks good old boy routine. Even at his peak when he was getting so much praise for being the Packers I kind of had a feeling that eventually the whole thing would crumble. That's why when he left it didn't bother me at all. He was no longer a Packer so I no longer cared about him. I didn't watch a single Jets game when he was the QB and the only vikings games I watched was when they played the Packers. He was just another player on another team to me and the only thing I cared about was how his performance affected the Packers.

Having said all that I do understand what he meant to the franchise. He may not have been the reason for the turnaround but he was the face of the turnaround and he will get a lions share of the credit and I am fine with that. In fact the more I hear people still pissing and moaning about him the more I like the guy. I used to collect Packers cards pretty heavily and I got any and all I could, Favre included, but now pretty much the only guy I actively seek out is Favre. I just think is weird that some people still hold that much of a grudge against him.

I have two favorite memories of Favre. The Raider game after his father passed away and the fact that I was at his very first start at Lambeau Field against the Steelers and I was at his very last start at Lambeau Field when the vikings visited the Packers.

If for some reason I happen to be at the game where the number retirement takes place I will cheer as my guess is 95% of the Packers fans will. The other 5%, to paraphrase nerdman in a previous post, "fuck them"
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#18 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 9:07:12 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
Here is my take on the whole thing. I was never that big of a Favre fan even when he was on the Packers. He made a lot of spectacular plays but he made a lot of bonehead plays as well. I was glad we had him as I think his good outweighed his bad but I never really bought into the whole aw shucks good old boy routine. Even at his peak when he was getting so much praise for being the Packers I kind of had a feeling that eventually the whole thing would crumble. That's why when he left it didn't bother me at all. He was no longer a Packer so I no longer cared about him. I didn't watch a single Jets game when he was the QB and the only vikings games I watched was when they played the Packers. He was just another player on another team to me and the only thing I cared about was how his performance affected the Packers.

Having said all that I do understand what he meant to the franchise. He may not have been the reason for the turnaround but he was the face of the turnaround and he will get a lions share of the credit and I am fine with that. In fact the more I hear people still pissing and moaning about him the more I like the guy. I used to collect Packers cards pretty heavily and I got any and all I could, Favre included, but now pretty much the only guy I actively seek out is Favre. I just think is weird that some people still hold that much of a grudge against him.

I have two favorite memories of Favre. The Raider game after his father passed away and the fact that I was at his very first start at Lambeau Field against the Steelers and I was at his very last start at Lambeau Field when the vikings visited the Packers.

If for some reason I happen to be at the game where the number retirement takes place I will cheer as my guess is 95% of the Packers fans will. The other 5%, to paraphrase nerdman in a previous post, "fuck them"



I still can't understand why local channels were so eager to carry Jets games. It seemed so stupid to me. In retrospect I can't blame them for wanting to cash in on the favreites worship services.

Without trying to make this political, That is what is wrong these days. Way to much time is spent worry about the 5%. Who cares anyway? Did Braun get some boos when he came back? Sure he did. Did it die out after the people had a chance to express themselves? Yep. Did the world come to an end? Nope.

Some will cheer. Some will boo. It changes nothing. Let's move on.

If it is Brett that is waiting until everyone loves him again he will have a long wait.
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#19 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 10:43:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
You don't know that Brett Favre sabotaged the Packers either, yet you condemn him for it.


http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31964349.html

The sabotage deal was broken by Jay Glazer of Fox Sports.

Several sources have told FOX Sports that Favre earlier this year phoned the Detroit Lions prior to their battle versus Favre's old team, the Green Bay Packers, and gave them a rundown of the nuances of what Green Bay does on offense. According to the sources, Favre actually spent over an hour on the phone with Lions coaches, who were connected with Favre by then-team president Matt Millen. Favre has allegedly done this with a number of teams.

My guess is that since he was talking with the Vikings at the time, by their own admission. They would beon of the "other teams". It isn't much of a stretch to say the Bears were offered a peak at the playbook also. But they probably turned him down.

Confirmed by Mike Florio and Jason Wilde. Reprinted by many news outlets.
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#20 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 11:00:30 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31964349.html

The sabotage deal was broken by Jay Glazer of Fox Sports.

Several sources have told FOX Sports that Favre earlier this year phoned the Detroit Lions prior to their battle versus Favre's old team, the Green Bay Packers, and gave them a rundown of the nuances of what Green Bay does on offense. According to the sources, Favre actually spent over an hour on the phone with Lions coaches, who were connected with Favre by then-team president Matt Millen. Favre has allegedly done this with a number of teams.

My guess is that since he was talking with the Vikings at the time, by their own admission. They would beon of the "other teams". It isn't much of a stretch to say the Bears were offered a peak at the playbook also. But they probably turned him down.

Confirmed by Mike Florio and Jason Wilde. Reprinted by many news outlets.


So, that is what you're saying is sabotage? How's that different from a team picking up a player and getting tips from them? The NFL is full of saboteurs under that pretense.

If he went out of his way to make the contact to try and give other teams pointers on the Packers, sure that's a dick move, but not sabotage. Teams acquire players all the time for the purpose of acquiring intel on their previous team. If you're not smart enough to tweak things, then that's on you.

Kind of switching directions here, I wonder how Reggie White plays into this. I believe the Packers regretted not retiring his number earlier than they did.

I would rather numbers be taken out of circulation for X amount of years than them being disallowed forever. I grew up being a big Dale Earnhardt fan and when they announce his number would be used again, a big part of me was glad. It sparked a lot of memories and what not about Dale. Otherwise if the number had been abolished, then it's going to go into the abyss of out of sight, out of mind.


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#21 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 11:06:40 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
So, that is what you're saying is sabotage? How's that different from a team picking up a player and getting tips from them? The NFL is full of saboteurs under that pretense.

If he went out of his way to make the contact to try and give other teams pointers on the Packers, sure that's a dick move, but not sabotage. Teams acquire players all the time for the purpose of acquiring intel on their previous team. If you're not smart enough to tweak things, then that's on you.

Kind of switching directions here, I wonder how Reggie White plays into this. I believe the Packers regretted not retiring his number earlier than they did.

I would rather numbers be taken out of circulation for X amount of years than them being disallowed forever. I grew up being a big Dale Earnhardt fan and when they announce his number would be used again, a big part of me was glad. It sparked a lot of memories and what not about Dale. Otherwise if the number had been abolished, then it's going to go into the abyss of out of sight, out of mind.




How many of these "other players" that you are referring to are going to have their number retired by the Packers? Zero.
How many of these other players are going to have their number retired by some other NFL franchise? Zero no doubt.
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#22 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 11:15:23 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
How many of these "other players" that you are referring to are going to have their number retired by the Packers? Zero.
How many of these other players are going to have their number retired by some other NFL franchise? Zero no doubt.


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#23 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 12:24:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Jerry Rice.


Well he is a bum of course.
You know for a fact that he ratted out his former team? You have documentation?
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#24 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 3:01:14 PM(UTC)
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Over the last year, I’ve re-watched 40 or so games (probably more) from 92-96. I’m actually currently in 1997. Simply put, people don't appreciate just how special of a quarterback Brett Favre was. Robert Brooks and Antonio Freeman were bums without him. Sterling Sharpe had the best years of his career with Favre, who was incredibly raw at the time. Keith Jackson caught a career-high 10 touchdowns in '96, and he played with Dan Marino. No other Packer should wear the number four again. Period.

I think the vast majority of people have moved on, but like the people that booed Aaron Rodgers during the '08 training camp, the loud minority tends to receive a majority of attention. I think that's what is concerning the Packers. I don't blame them or Favre for waiting. Reggie White retired after 2000 and they retired his number in ‘05. That’s five years. Favre’s going into year three of retirement. There is plenty of time.

I’ll echo what WPR mentioned. He should return a few times before getting his number retired. Alumni Weekend might be a good option.

Another thing to consider is that 2016 marks the 20-year anniversary of the 1996 Green Bay Packers. I wonder if that's not an appropriate time to hold such a ceremony, though I suppose you don’t want to takeaway from the other returning players. You know they’ll do something special to honor that team. Favre should be apart of it.
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So, that is what you're saying is sabotage? How's that different from a team picking up a player and getting tips from them? The NFL is full of saboteurs under that pretense.

If he went out of his way to make the contact to try and give other teams pointers on the Packers, sure that's a dick move, but not sabotage. Teams acquire players all the time for the purpose of acquiring intel on their previous team. If you're not smart enough to tweak things, then that's on you.

Kind of switching directions here, I wonder how Reggie White plays into this. I believe the Packers regretted not retiring his number earlier than they did.

I would rather numbers be taken out of circulation for X amount of years than them being disallowed forever. I grew up being a big Dale Earnhardt fan and when they announce his number would be used again, a big part of me was glad. It sparked a lot of memories and what not about Dale. Otherwise if the number had been abolished, then it's going to go into the abyss of out of sight, out of mind.





People expect you to tell your new team about the team you used to be on. But going to the opponents of your old team and helping them out of spite, just to hurt their chances to win, is just plain dirty.

Favre wasn't even in the same conference. The only reason he had to help the Lions, Vikings and Bears beat the Packers is to hurt the Packers.

#4 can join #5 on the numbers no longer available for use list.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.

Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
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