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Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 7:51:36 AM(UTC)
What are the chances Eddie Lacy becomes nothing more than a one year wonder, much like Trend Richardson? Here's the numbers for their rookie years.

Trent Richardson
att = 267
yds = 950
td = 11
long = 32
avg = 3.6
rec = 51
recYds = 367
recTd = 1
fumble = 3


Eddie Lacy
att = 284
yds = 1,178
td = 11
long = 60
avg = 4.1
rec = 35
recYds = 257
recTd = 0
fumble = 1
steveishere  
#2 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:21:31 AM(UTC)
Richardson is more like a 0 year wonder. That's not a great comparison. At that rate of his rookie year it would have taken Richardson 327 carries to equal the yards that Lacy had.

Besides statistics though Trent has never really shown to have good vision while Lacy seems to have excellent vision. Lacy also has Rodgers back so he should have it easy. I see no reason to think he'll plummet and be anywhere near as bad as Richardson was last year.
nerdmann  
#3 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:49:16 AM(UTC)
I'm not writing Richardson off yet. Let's see how he looks this year.

As for Lacy, he's the type of runner that will run hard and leave it all on the field for 4 years. Then he'll begin his decline, due to nagging injuries and being worn down due to his running style. But then you never know. He's got some decent blockers in front of him, so maybe he'll last 6.
Zero2Cool  
#4 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:00:49 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
Richardson is more like a 0 year wonder. That's not a great comparison. At that rate of his rookie year it would have taken Richardson 327 carries to equal the yards that Lacy had.

Besides statistics though Trent has never really shown to have good vision while Lacy seems to have excellent vision. Lacy also has Rodgers back so he should have it easy. I see no reason to think he'll plummet and be anywhere near as bad as Richardson was last year.


The comparison is drawn from both being from Alabama and having similar statistics. Although, Richardson didn't have the benefit of playing with a MVP type QB for a good portion of his rookie season.
Yerko  
#5 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 11:08:05 AM(UTC)
The one comparison I can draw from this was how much of a workhorse both were for their teams in their first seasons. Trent, by default, didn't have a choice. He was the Browns star player. The Browns never did anything to help him out when season 2 rolled around and then they shipped him off to a new team, leading to a dismal season (I don't think that will be the case for him this season). Lacy became the workhorse of the Packers because he had to when Rodgers went down and like Trent, he was successful.

I think Lacy is an overall, better runningback than Trent. He has better vision and footwork and while they both have a similar running style (bruiser), that is not *all* Lacy relies on. With Rodgers healthy, a nice receiving group and a healthy offensive line, I think Lacy jumps the hurdle of a second year slump.

Maybe he doesn't meet or exceed his numbers this season but that would be because he doesn't have to. I wouldn't consider it a disappointment if that's the case.
StarrMax1  
#6 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 11:19:33 AM(UTC)
Comparing Ingram, Richardson, and Lacy as of now I would say Green bay has the best of the 3. (Hope it's allright to throw Ingram in to the mix)

Don't know if Eddie will get the touches he did last year, but with a healthy Rodgers all year,and with the O-line all playing together another year, his YPA should increase.

The one big advantage Lacy has over Richardson is playing in a stable environment.

Lacy has said it himself, it took awhile for the game to slow down for him, and with a year under his belt, he can now just react and not think and worry about making mistakes.

Richardson may show all his talent this year, being he is basically like Lacy and going into his 2nd year with The Colts.


steveishere  
#7 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:02:53 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
The comparison is drawn from both being from Alabama and having similar statistics. Although, Richardson didn't have the benefit of playing with a MVP type QB for a good portion of his rookie season.


Lacy still averaged 83 yards a game without Rodgers, it's not like he just got some huge boost playing with Aaron, he was good regardless (they really only played 5 games together). Lacy actually had almost as many runs that went for 10+ yards as Richardson had runs that went for a first down (29-39) and he had way more first downs overall (61). Lacy was simply much much better so there's absolutely no reason to believe they'd have a similar career arc.
uffda udfa  
#8 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:30:10 PM(UTC)
I hope Lacy is not Richardson. Richardson appears to be a big time bust. He has Luck and that fast track at Lucas Oil but doesn't look real slick there. I doubt Trent Richardson has any type of resurgence this year.

Lacy's perceived lack of love for the game is what worries me. That was a knock on him coming into the NFL that he didn't love the game. Now, he's had a relatively successful rookie campaign. How much does he want to try to be better? Will the toe become an issue in the near future? How much will the center position impact him this season...will Tretter or Linsley be an upgrade from EDS? Will our tackle spots improve or decline the run blocking? How will the TE position affect the running game?

It certainly is not guaranteed Lacy is as good as he was last year but he could also be better depending on which way his attitude goes and how much the line improves or declines.




nerdmann  
#9 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:47:36 PM(UTC)
No one who sees him play would question his love for the game, imo. In fact, I've never heard that about him. The rap on him coming into the league was his foot and his injury history. He gets banged up, but he keeps playing. But people questioned whether the foot would hold up.

So far it hasn't been an issue, unlike Cedric Benson's foot.
uffda udfa  
#10 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 2:07:10 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
No one who sees him play would question his love for the game, imo. In fact, I've never heard that about him. The rap on him coming into the league was his foot and his injury history. He gets banged up, but he keeps playing. But people questioned whether the foot would hold up.

So far it hasn't been an issue, unlike Cedric Benson's foot.


Read this from NFL.com. Lacy, himself, will not evoke strong confidence that he loves football when you're done reading.

It is always amazing how much of a disconnect there is sometimes between perception and reality.


http://www.nfl.com/news/...-my-passion-for-football

Heck, some won't read it just because I posted the link...Here is what he had to say when he was telling about scouts questioning his passion for the game from NFL.com

Asked if football has ever brought him true joy, Lacy replied, "It has its moments, I guess you could say. It was a lot better for me (in Gretna, La.), though. Football is not what it was to me in high school now."

EDIT: Here's some more alarming stuff regarding Lacy from NationalFootballPost.com:

*Numerous front office men say there were not surprised to see Eddie Lacy fall to the Packers at the end of the second round. The more NFL teams looked at him, the more faults they saw. Lacy was knocked for poor work habits, lack of speed, durability concerns, a limited body of work and running style.
Dexter_Sinister  
#11 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 6:31:40 PM(UTC)
I think the big difference is that going back in to 2012, they Packers have been able to move the ball running with just about every RB they put back there. If that keeps up, Lacy should have another good year.
beast  
#12 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:25:12 PM(UTC)

I'm thinking the chances are very slim that Lacy with be like Trent Richardson

At his best Richardson has averaged 3.6 yards per run in an NFL season... at his worse Lacy has averaged 4.1 yards per run in an NFL season and that was while he was banged up and basically had his starting QB miss half the season with some questionable back-ups...
Wade  
#13 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2014 7:31:17 AM(UTC)
I always prefer Packer comparisons. I don't think Lacy will follow the path of Trent Richardson. I do think there is a serious likelihood that he will follow the path of John Brockington.

And when I read a story like the recent one that talks about the Packers wanting to use him *more*, I think that likelihood gets bigger.

I love the kind of running back he is. But that's not the kind of running back that has a lot of longevity at 300+ touches/year.
beast  
#14 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2014 7:52:09 AM(UTC)
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
I always prefer Packer comparisons. I don't think Lacy will follow the path of Trent Richardson. I do think there is a serious likelihood that he will follow the path of John Brockington.

And when I read a story like the recent one that talks about the Packers wanting to use him *more*, I think that likelihood gets bigger.

I love the kind of running back he is. But that's not the kind of running back that has a lot of longevity at 300+ touches/year.


There have been articles both ways... some saying the Packers want to use him more... but Mike McCarthy has also been quoted in saying he wants to limit the number of snaps Lacy sees in a game and try to spread them out so he stays healthier and longer into the season.
DoddPower  
#15 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2014 8:20:32 AM(UTC)
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
I always prefer Packer comparisons. I don't think Lacy will follow the path of Trent Richardson. I do think there is a serious likelihood that he will follow the path of John Brockington.

And when I read a story like the recent one that talks about the Packers wanting to use him *more*, I think that likelihood gets bigger.

I love the kind of running back he is. But that's not the kind of running back that has a lot of longevity at 300+ touches/year.


Yeah, I wouldn't expect Lacy to have a lengthy productive career. Simply too much punishment to his body. Hopefully the Packers can win another championship while he is in his prime. The combination of Rodgers, Lacy/Starks, Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, et al. is a pretty sweet combination. Should be another exciting offensive season. Although I'm still worried about the defense.
Zero2Cool  
#16 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2014 8:45:06 AM(UTC)
When you have someone like James Starks fresh, why would pound the hell out of Eddie Lacy 20-25 times a game? Keep him between 15-20 while rotating James Starks. Then you can even toss in DuJuan Harris a spell or two.

RB's just aren't as strong as they used to be to handle the 350-400 carries a season.
Yerko  
#17 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2014 8:49:38 AM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
Read this from NFL.com. Lacy, himself, will not evoke strong confidence that he loves football when you're done reading.

It is always amazing how much of a disconnect there is sometimes between perception and reality.


http://www.nfl.com/news/...-my-passion-for-football

Heck, some won't read it just because I posted the link...Here is what he had to say when he was telling about scouts questioning his passion for the game from NFL.com

Asked if football has ever brought him true joy, Lacy replied, "It has its moments, I guess you could say. It was a lot better for me (in Gretna, La.), though. Football is not what it was to me in high school now."

EDIT: Here's some more alarming stuff regarding Lacy from NationalFootballPost.com:

*Numerous front office men say there were not surprised to see Eddie Lacy fall to the Packers at the end of the second round. The more NFL teams looked at him, the more faults they saw. Lacy was knocked for poor work habits, lack of speed, durability concerns, a limited body of work and running style.


I remember reading all of this leading up to that draft. Lacy is a broken man (child) from Hurricane Katrina. It stole everything from him, including his love for football. Notice he mentions high school football in Louisiana...he played like 2 years in Texas and didn't even care for it then. That storm has ruined a part of him.

With that said, watching him play his first year for the Packers and how he interacts with his fans through Twitter makes me think he has changed. Maybe not a lot, but there is a glimpse of passion that he shows.
uffda udfa  
#18 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2014 11:25:59 AM(UTC)
He may have changed, Yerko... I didn't say he was any of the things highlighted above. However, it is a big concern where his attitude may take him. I don't know that I'm confident he'll continue to incline because it doesn't sound like he's the type of guy who wants it bad enough. He did run hard his rookie season. I thought we got much more than I expected from him, especially after Aaron went down.

It is a bit of a pattern that Ted Thompson will take these once highly touted guys who are falling in the draft and make them Packers. Worthy, Lacy, Rodgers, Bulaga, Bradford, Franklin, etc. Oftentimes when a guy is sliding, and it's not an off the field type situation thing like with a Harvin or a Moss there's good reason for it...they aren't really that good when looked at closely long enough. Thank goodness, Aaron defied all that and was more of a "nobody needed a QB" type of a fall situation. Hopefully, Eddie will prove to be a miss by the NFL community and a hit by TT.
sschind  
#19 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2014 11:29:21 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
When you have someone like James Starks fresh, why would pound the hell out of Eddie Lacy 20-25 times a game? Keep him between 15-20 while rotating James Starks. Then you can even toss in DuJuan Harris a spell or two.

RB's just aren't as strong as they used to be to handle the 350-400 carries a season.


I agree 100% but I'm not sure Mike McCarthy does. As far back as I can remember it seems the Packers have always been a 1 back team when that #1 back is healthy. They say different but they run the guy into the dirt anyway. In their defense though, as long as running backs are being perceived as a dime a dozen and you have a guy like Starks who you think can step in and fill the void why not run the #1 until he drops and simply plug the next guy in. I don't agree but it is a way of thinking.

Besides, Fantasy people want to be able to count on Lacy getting 25-30 touches per game and drafting Starks as his handcuff.
Zero2Cool  
#20 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2014 11:31:49 AM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
I agree 100% but I'm not sure Mike McCarthy does. As far back as I can remember it seems the Packers have always been a 1 back team when that #1 back is healthy. They say different but they run the guy into the dirt anyway. In their defense though, as long as running backs are being perceived as a dime a dozen and you have a guy like Starks who you think can step in and fill the void why not run the #1 until he drops and simply plug the next guy in. I don't agree but it is a way of thinking.

Besides, Fantasy people want to be able to count on Lacy getting 25-30 touches per game and drafting Starks as his handcuff.


The secret to why they've appeared to run one guy into the dirt comes down to one factoid. Only one RB on the roster was trustworthy in pass protection. If John Kuhn was as gifted as Starks or even Lacy, he'd be in on every single play.

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