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Offline uffda udfa  
#1 Posted : Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:35:33 PM(UTC)
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B U S T? This guy is another disappointment as a high draft pick on defense. He was drafted to be an Aldon Smith type and he's been on the field the equivalent of what Aldon Smith has been off it... not very good.

His non descript performance tonight along with his hum drum TC should be sending warning alarms. This a major problem for our defense if it hopes to be better than the brutal product we've rolled out the past few seasons.

I think I'm ready to give up on Datone. There is that point for every player where they either become something or they're given up on. For me, that time is now. Another miss on defense for us. It's added up and afforded us what we are... a defense not anywhere near good enough to take us back to the show. Josh Boyd got more time than him last year as a late round pick, and if you watched tonight there's no question who the better player is. You just can't have that happen... your first rounder is nowhere near as good as the guy you drafted at the end of a draft.

Internally, there has to be panic over this issue. Meanwhile, we extended the guy who keeps burning high draft picks on defensive players who turn out to be garbage. Very frustrating.

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Offline Laser Gunns  
#2 Posted : Saturday, August 9, 2014 11:52:26 PM(UTC)
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Not yet..

But he certainly has run his mouth a lot,
A lot more than what he has shown.

Also, Aldon Smith is a linebacker, Jones is a lineman.

On the bright side... hHCD made some darn good plays today.


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Offline Mucky Tundra  
#3 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 12:15:34 AM(UTC)
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I'm not sure if the problem is so much as Jones as not having LBs who can step up and stop the ball carrier on cut backs. I distinctly remember Jones and Daniels getting in the backfield 2-3 times each only to see the RB go another way/cut back and go where our guys just came from with no one to clean up (same problem that killed us against Peterson in 2012). There were few times when they did good (Barrington flew into the hole like a bat out of hell and stuffed the RB for a 2 yard gain one play) but after that game I'm far more worried about the guys immediately behind them.

(And for the record, I'm SO happy I didn't try to go down and see this game)

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Offline nerdmann  
#4 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:11:55 AM(UTC)
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Wasn't even on my draft board, because he's yet another player that doesn't fit our scheme.

That said, I haven't given up on him. I think the added weight he's put on might be slowing him down some. He was much more explosive pre-injury last year.
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Offline Mucky Tundra  
#5 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:36:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Wasn't even on my draft board, because he's yet another player that doesn't fit our scheme.

That said, I haven't given up on him. I think the added weight he's put on might be slowing him down some. He was much more explosive pre-injury last year.


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Demovsky: Datone Jones has shown bursts of a little bit more power in his game this summer. Even though he did well in the one-on-one pass rushing drills last summer, it was almost always with speed. This year, he has bull-rushed more. It's early, but his 6-4 record in the one-on-on drill is a good sign. Anything close to .500 is a great mark for a defensive player. He also is getting the chance to rep more in the base defense, something he almost never did last season as a rookie. We should get the opportunity to see what kind of player he can be against the run.


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#6 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:11:44 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
B U S T? This guy is another disappointment as a high draft pick on defense. He was drafted to be an Aldon Smith type and he's been on the field the equivalent of what Aldon Smith has been off it... not very good.

His non descript performance tonight along with his hum drum TC should be sending warning alarms. This a major problem for our defense if it hopes to be better than the brutal product we've rolled out the past few seasons.

I think I'm ready to give up on Datone. There is that point for every player where they either become something or they're given up on. For me, that time is now. Another miss on defense for us. It's added up and afforded us what we are... a defense not anywhere near good enough to take us back to the show. Josh Boyd got more time than him last year as a late round pick, and if you watched tonight there's no question who the better player is. You just can't have that happen... your first rounder is nowhere near as good as the guy you drafted at the end of a draft.

Internally, there has to be panic over this issue. Meanwhile, we extended the guy who keeps burning high draft picks on defensive players who turn out to be garbage. Very frustrating.



Lol what? He's a bust because he didn't light it up in a preseason game? Feel free to look up dude, the sky isn't falling yet.

Also, using Aldon Smith as the measure of success for a 3-4 DE is ridiculous, if that is the standard, every 3-4 DE aside from J.J Watt is terrible.

I think it would be reasonable to at least let him play in some real games before freaking out. Remember he was injured much of his rookie year.
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Offline OlHoss1884  
#7 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:45:40 AM(UTC)
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1) Aldon Smith is an outside LB who is only effective when Justin Smith is holding blockers.
) It's not just that it was a preseason game, it was a preseason game in a monsoon. I am no0t going to make too many judgements about individual performances trying to evaluate people under the circumstancs
3) even Julius Peppers didn't get his name on the stat sheet, but, again, I think the weather was part of it
4) the Titans have a really good O-Line. I was pleased to see our guys hold up at all at the point of attack. More pass rush would have been nice, but I am not taking too much away from this one
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Offline uffda udfa  
#8 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:04:49 AM(UTC)
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I'm not freaked out... just believe Datone is another miss on defense. Another guy who was supposed to be a difference maker who isn't. When we get to the point where we have to justify things we don't really see that's when you're in bust territory. I'm not expecting to see him be something for us. This is just another guy we'll be hearing from the org and fans to just be patient with all for no payoff for the patience.

Someone mentioned Ha Ha in this thread... that guy was disappointing last night but he is one you can justify saying it's way too early to say what he's going to be. When your first rounder is getting far less playing time last year than Josh Boyd, your 5th rounder, that is a terrible sign. How could anyone argue against that? Boyd looks like a player on the come... a Mike Daniels if you will. I have high hopes for Boyd. Why am I so up on Boyd and down on Datone?

Datone is getting dangerously close to Terrell Buckley status in Green Bay. His mouth hasn't been justified by his play. Datone spoke of being the best player in NFL history...not just at his position but the best ever at any position. To talk that talk and ride the sideline while a 5th rounder was actually playing doesn't inspire he'll ever be a player. I was hopeful this Packer propaganda of the "2nd year jump" would come to fruition for him. It doesn't look or sound like it's happened for him. I read something the other day that he didn't take the jump that was expected of him That is what a BUST is...a guy who isn't on the field in favor of a 5th rounder, and one who didn't improve from last season. What else is Datone if not a bust?

When will he move to bust territory for you?
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#9 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:11:12 AM(UTC)
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I struggle to slam someone as BUST without them having three full seasons to adequately state as such. Datone Jones was drafted in 2013. I'll give him two more seasons before he can have the opportunity of earning the BUST label.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:15:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I struggle to slam someone as BUST without them having three full seasons to adequately state as such. Datone Jones was drafted in 2013. I'll give him two more seasons before he can have the opportunity of earning the BUST label.


Ditto. One injured rookie season and one preseason game are nowhere near a large enough sample size to come to any conclusions.
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