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beast  
#21 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:21:23 AM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
Yes. Go back and see why I was happy. Read what I wrote when I heard not long after he was picked that they were going to use him as an OLB. I was happy because I thought he'd bring some crazy toughness to the middle of the D. I said Bradford would be a major bust at OLB and same for Thornton on DL. Read how I lamented his terrible measurables for OLB. McGinn mentioned those in his piece that every scout but apparently the Packers scouts knew this kid couldn't play OLB at the NFL level. There is a failing and disconnect somewhere. We can't wait to pounce on guys falling down draft boards, but they usually fall for a reason. Not always but most of the time. See Worthy... see Bradford...Bulaga, etc. Before you hammer me for Bulaga, he was touted as a high pick because he was supposed to be a LT, which he is not. A 1st rounder on a right tackle is a waste especially given who we could've added instead. Dez Bryant was sitting there and we took a stiff of a LT in Bryan Bulaga. Dez Bryant is an absolute monster...a true superstar. Bulaga is an adequate RIGHT tackle. Another terrible miss for what we could've done there. I was losing my mind seeing Dez sitting there and we took the guy who couldn't play LT...all the other NFL teams knew he couldn't play it...but not us... we saw that great value and missed out on a superstar. I follow the draft very closely....my favorite event in sports. Ted Thompson ain't as good as you think...especially up high. I love what we do after the draft but during the first rounds unless it's a WR you can usually forget about getting anything of value.

If you recall the Bradford thing, then you must also recall I was happy with Abbrederis and Janis...and Lyerla. Those were the 3 guys I was most excited about.


And if you followed all teams as closely as you follow the Packers you would know that's true for all teams... they're all pasted over some true studs for some duds... just Packers are more personal so you get more upset about it but the same thing happens all over.

Also there are times when those big hype machines are dead wrong... I remember when Packers fans were PISSED OFF at Ted Thompson because he had a chance to draft the highest ceiling WR in a long time and he traded the pick away... and the pick was used that super hyped player Chad Jackson ... (who completely busted)... and the team "stupidity" just settled for some no named kid from a small school named Greg Jennings.

Sometimes the high potential guys make it... other times they're complete bust and/or aren't worth the headaches they cause such as RB Marshawn Lynch to the Bills (lots of Packers wants wanted him as there was a big need for a RB, but I didn't want to touch him with a 10 foot pole.... same was true when they looked to trade him though it seems like he's gotten better off the field, or at least not caught doing stupid stuff nearly as much).


But all this anger would be true for any team you closely followed, as they're all pasted over studs for bust and some writer comes along and says it was so clear to them... or find stouts (or claim they find scouts) they say it was so clear to them.

musccy  
#22 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:39:28 AM(UTC)
Dez Bryant? Didn't the Cowboys have to hire a babysitter to keep him from screwing up his off-the-field life?




beast  
#23 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:57:11 AM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
Dez Bryant? Didn't the Cowboys have to hire a babysitter to keep him from screwing up his off-the-field life?


I forgot about that... I never did hear the end results but I believe I remember when Skip Bayless was speculating about a physical altercation Bryant got into, sounded like the speculation was the Bryant might of gotten into a physical altercation with his so called "babysitter"... of course it's Skip Bayless and speculation so you can't put too much into that...

But anyways a couple of places seem to have some of the rules set for Bryant

sportsgrid said:
• A midnight curfew. If he’s going to miss curfew, team officials must know in advance;

• No drinking alcohol.

• He can’t attend any strip clubs and can only attend nightclubs if they are approved by the team and he has a security team with him.

• He must attend counseling sessions twice a week.

• A rotating three-man security team will leave one man with Bryant at all times.

• Members of the security team will drive Bryant to practices, games and team functions.


Yeah I'm pretty sure Thompson too cheap to buy all that stuff to follow a player around 24/7 Two Cents
musccy  
#24 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:03:24 PM(UTC)
Thank you Beast. I didn't recall the specifics, but knew that was the general idea. He was so immature that the organization had to hire someone to protect the athlete from themselves. Ted, what an idiot, he didn't pick that guy and instead "settled" for a guy that should be playing left tackle but is "only" starting at RT.
uffda udfa  
#25 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:15:08 PM(UTC)
beast said: Go to Quoted Post
And if you followed all teams as closely as you follow the Packers you would know that's true for all teams... they're all pasted over some true studs for some duds... just Packers are more personal so you get more upset about it but the same thing happens all over.

Also there are times when those big hype machines are dead wrong... I remember when Packers fans were PISSED OFF at Ted Thompson because he had a chance to draft the highest ceiling WR in a long time and he traded the pick away... and the pick was used that super hyped player Chad Jackson ... (who completely busted)... and the team "stupidity" just settled for some no named kid from a small school named Greg Jennings.

Sometimes the high potential guys make it... other times they're complete bust and/or aren't worth the headaches they cause such as RB Marshawn Lynch to the Bills (lots of Packers wants wanted him as there was a big need for a RB, but I didn't want to touch him with a 10 foot pole.... same was true when they looked to trade him though it seems like he's gotten better off the field, or at least not caught doing stupid stuff nearly as much).


But all this anger would be true for any team you closely followed, as they're all pasted over studs for bust and some writer comes along and says it was so clear to them... or find stouts (or claim they find scouts) they say it was so clear to them.



Yes...I understand...but... in those cases where GM's miss and miss often up high the DO NOT GET EXTENSIONS!! They get FIRED. We all know as fans our D has been poor for years. Our GM has tried to fix it THROUGH THE DRAFT. How's he done? Can you be honest and objective or do you just have to say he's done well because he's the Packers GM? He's done a horrendous job over the last several years. This defense has not gotten better at all. I can't think of another situation where a team has pumped the resources into one side of the ball with so little in return to see the person responsible get extended for failing. Yes, I know...we're in the playoffs. Thank you, Aaron Rodgers. Ted Thompson gets immunity from his MAJOR failings because he drafted Aaron Rodgers.

It isn't anger... it's just frustrating to the competitor in me sense. I like to be the best. Being very good is failure to me, personally. The best isn't even the goal...perfection is. Give all you have to get there not make excuses about how great it is that you're good and that's okay. You think I'm negative and whatever...but I have a different standard I try to live by and in sports you don't settle for anything but the ultimate which is winning it all. Most of you are comfortable watching the team you follow not do all they can to get there and make excuses for not getting there. I wish to see us go for it and bring in some studs where they should've come up high in the draft. You miss on studs in the draft and you don't use FA then you've doubled down on your losses.

Watching Green Bay is still fun for me because I can still watch the best ever on offense. I just cringe having to watch a pitiful group of defenders that limits this team. It's the anchor around the ankle. Our current leadership has tried and failed several times to fix it. Your enjoyment and my enjoyment have nothing to do with each others. I'm happy that you can find joy sporting your divisional championship gear and bragging to your buddies that your team won the division. I watch in the hopes we win it all...nothing else matters.
Ted Thompson is not a guy who cares and burns to be a world champion...he burns to be above average and that is what we are as a franchise. Give us a a WINNER...someone sold out to win it all and won't accept failure. 3 years in a row we've failed but what you notice is divisional championships. I notice we suck in the playoffs. I notice we have a defense that hasn't gotten any better yet we're committed to the same defensive staff, and GM who can't fix it. Yes, that is frustrating knowing we could be so much better and not be.

beast  
#26 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:34:18 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
It isn't anger... it's just frustrating to the competitor in me


I know we all read things differently... but I read that as, "It isn't anger, it's just anger inside of me"... I'm sure there is a difference between anger and building frustration but they're sort of close... right? .... maybe not I don't know for sure. But I found it interesting.

uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
I like to be the best. Being very good is failure to me, personally. The best isn't even the goal...perfection is.


So you're a perfectionist? That would explain a lot ... [grin1]

I remember I had a class with a perfectionist and he got a 99% on a test... and you could see it just to start bubbling up... more and more to he was just internally outraged and just started talking meanly to the teachers (who was normally one of the most level headed people around) and then it turned to yelling at the teacher... and I thought he was about to get up and hit the teacher or walk out... it was crazy. Please don't go crazy...

uffda udfa  
#27 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:49:00 PM(UTC)
beast said: Go to Quoted Post
I know we all read things differently... but I read that as, "It isn't anger, it's just anger inside of me"... I'm sure there is a difference between anger and building frustration but they're sort of close... right? .... maybe not I don't know for sure. But I found it interesting.



So you're a perfectionist? That would explain a lot ... [grin1]

I remember I had a class with a perfectionist and he got a 99% on a test... and you could see it just to start bubbling up... more and more to he was just internally outraged and just started talking meanly to the teachers (who was normally one of the most level headed people around) and then it turned to yelling at the teacher... and I thought he was about to get up and hit the teacher or walk out... it was crazy. Please don't go crazy...



Ha! Yeah, that's me... I'm that guy... 99% is not good enough. It's so funny...I recently took a test...very recently... 97% was my score. I was livid with myself. I was especially angry over the legal interpretation of one of the questions I answered incorrectly. The goal was getting them all right. I didn't handle it well because I'm driven to be the best I can be and I left one on the table there. I didn't take it out on anyone else but me. I'm the one who missed it, nobody else. In fact, now I'm mad all over again. Thanks. :)

One of my favorite quotes is from St. Augustine: "What you are must always displease you, if you would attain to that which you are not."

I can apply the above in a much broader sense... We aren't a world champion football team. I'd like to see us burn to attain "that which we are not". I just don't feel we have the right guy in place to do just that. Just how I view it.

evad04  
#28 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 1:07:35 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post


I can apply the above in a much broader sense... We aren't a world champion football team. I'd like to see us burn to attain "that which we are not". I just don't feel we have the right guy in place to do just that. Just how I view it.



Incoming ad hominem attack: You seem like a complete, unrepentant jerk sandwich. You are borderline intolerable, uffda.

I don't know where to start. We're now at the point where Bryan Bulaga was a bust/complete waste of a pick because we could have had Dez "I beat my own mother" Bryant.

We're at the point where a pair of rookies -- before we've even finished preseason, mind you -- are busts. Bradford is struggling. Every one here can see that. Thornton was drafted as a raw talent with a good strength/speed combo, but has been thought of by many to be a developmental player. You throw out "bust" a little casually.

You and I coulda had a debate long ranging in another thread when I addressed Ted's innumerable Round 1 defensive busts (ahem, since 2004 that's Justin Harrell and arguably Nick Perry -- though you've added second-year Datone Jones to that list).

But you didn't respond to any of that, you just rinse and repeat in another thread with the same useless horseshit.

We get it. Trust me, sweet Christ, we get it. You don't EVER need to finish a post with "I just don't feel we have the right guy in place to do just that. Just how I view it."

It's like filming yourself kill a horse with a shovel, then continue beating its corpse, then walk toward the camera and say, "I didn't like that horse."
beast  
#29 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 1:11:24 PM(UTC)


uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
I was especially angry over the legal interpretation of one of the questions I answered incorrectly.


I hate when there are more than one interpretation of questions on test... I remember a World Geography Professor who's test were always kind of weird to take... because you're read the questions on his test and be like I can interpreted this question in multiple ways and get different answers... though normally it was easy to figure out his logic or figure out if you had background knowledge but not everyone had background knowledge nor understood his logic which I'm sure made those test down right horrible for them.

uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
In fact, now I'm mad all over again. Thanks. :)


You're welcome [sarcasm]


And I think Thornton has been one of the best 6 DL currently on the roster.

Bradford... I don't have a clue what's up with him... and seems like he's been a bust so far.


uffda udfa  
#30 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 1:31:57 PM(UTC)
evad04 said: Go to Quoted Post
Incoming ad hominem attack: You seem like a complete, unrepentant jerk sandwich. You are borderline intolerable, uffda.

I don't know where to start. We're now at the point where Bryan Bulaga was a bust/complete waste of a pick because we could have had Dez "I beat my own mother" Bryant.

We're at the point where a pair of rookies -- before we've even finished preseason, mind you -- are busts. Bradford is struggling. Every one here can see that. Thornton was drafted as a raw talent with a good strength/speed combo, but has been thought of by many to be a developmental player. You throw out "bust" a little casually.

You and I coulda had a debate long ranging in another thread when I addressed Ted's innumerable Round 1 defensive busts (ahem, since 2004 that's Justin Harrell and arguably Nick Perry -- though you've added second-year Datone Jones to that list).

But you didn't respond to any of that, you just rinse and repeat in another thread with the same useless horseshit.

We get it. Trust me, sweet Christ, we get it. You don't EVER need to finish a post with "I just don't feel we have the right guy in place to do just that. Just how I view it."

It's like filming yourself kill a horse with a shovel, then continue beating its corpse, then walk toward the camera and say, "I didn't like that horse."


Unrepentant? What do I need to repent for here? I had tears in my eyes at church this AM...is that good enough?

Bob McGinn penned the article stating both Thornton and Bradford don't deserve roster spots. Who can disagree? However, it is just pure gold to me that Ted Thompson said this draft was about "winning now". You're here talking about a 3rd rounder we just flippantly took a flier on as a developmental project. I will go with Ted Thompson that he thought Thornton would be a contributor in our "win now" drafting strategy.

BTW, does Ricky Elmore ring a bell? Did he get labeled a bust and cut right away? Yes. Why is it wrong to label two guys who haven't shown up against deep, deep backups busts? They don't belong on this team. That equates to failed drafting even though I know how dare I say such a thing. Ted Thompson is the best!

Bryan Bulaga was a waste of FIRST round selection. Tell me why he was drafted by us in the 1st round? ... To play...?????... Yup, LEFT tackle, which he was NOT...ever...no how no way. So, he turns into an adequate RT and you chalk that up as a win? Not me. A fail...major fail. I remember the clock ticking on our pick just feeling sick that Ted Thompson would draft "Bustaga" as I called him then. Dez is sitting there. All the talent in the world. Just a special player. Nope...we get the plodder who can't play LT at the NFL level. Yes, disappointed...still.

It is odd that I'm not entitled to my opinion because it's not the vanilla norm that reigns supreme. I also get accused of having no original thoughts...that's my favorite of them all. The irony. The irony.

One day soon, hopefully, we will start anew with a GM and HC combo... ones that better reflect my values instead of the ones that reflect yours. I'm happy for you that you find happiness in contentment for the way things are with your favorite football team. I'm a little envious quite honestly. I wish I could find some kind of joy in watching this team underachieve with the best of all time under center. I can not.
DarkaneRules  
#31 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 1:35:35 PM(UTC)
Bryan Bulaga is a starting tackle on this football team and playing well. Anything else is water under the bridge. Let's be happy he is playing well instead of lamenting where he was drafted. What do ya say?
steveishere  
#32 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 1:39:29 PM(UTC)
I don't get the RT/LT thing, pressure off the RT will screw up your play just as badly as pressure off the LT. People just significantly overrate the LT position because of the "blindside" stuff.
uffda udfa  
#33 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 1:48:33 PM(UTC)
NFL teams routinely pay out HUGE contracts to ... LEFT tackles...not right ones.

With Bulaga it goes to the AJ Hawk argument which you're well aware of how I feel about that.

Dez Bryant vs. Bryan Bulaga... One is a top 3 WR in the NFL... the other is a middling RT. Yes, I'm partying like it's 1999, Darkane. :)
beast  
#34 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 1:53:21 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
NFL teams routinely pay out HUGE contracts to ... LEFT tackles...not right ones.

With Bulaga it goes to the AJ Hawk argument which you're well aware of how I feel about that.

Dez Bryant vs. Bryan Bulaga... One is a top 3 WR in the NFL... the other is a middling RT. Yes, I'm partying like it's 1999, Darkane. :)


I think Bulaga was rated as a top 3 RT in the NFL one year and his numbers didn't look too bad against the LT either.

Hawk is average... Bulaga can be extremely good at times, just hasn't been healthy and has struggled with injuries.
evad04  
#35 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 3:29:36 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post


Bryan Bulaga was a waste of FIRST round selection. Tell me why he was drafted by us in the 1st round? ... To play...?????... Yup, LEFT tackle, which he was NOT...ever...no how no way. So, he turns into an adequate RT and you chalk that up as a win? Not me. A fail...major fail. I remember the clock ticking on our pick just feeling sick that Ted Thompson would draft "Bustaga" as I called him then. Dez is sitting there. All the talent in the world. Just a special player. Nope...we get the plodder who can't play LT at the NFL level. Yes, disappointed...still.



You're doing it wrong. You add milk, not piss, to your Cheerios. It tastes much better. Well, I can only imagine -- I haven't tried it your way.

Your freakish obsession with draft position continues on. Bryan Bulaga was drafted with the intention to play left tackle. True statement. As it turned out, he was a better fit on the right side. Never possessed the arm length that fits with prototype left tackle. But he's played well on the right side. He's a quality starter on the right side for an emerging offensive line.

That's not a first-round bust. A first-round bust is a guy who doesn't contribute -- a guy who doesn't start.

We did, however, draft a guy in the 4th round who appears to be a solid fit at left tackle: David Bakhtiari. He played well for a rookie and got stronger in the offseason. Sounds like great value to me. Another mid-round selection for the Pack on the offensive line who we fans can be excited about (Lang, a solid guard, and Sitton a All-Pro caliber guard).

StarrMax1  
#36 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 3:33:15 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
Uffda or others who criticize the team for missing in early rounds have a point. As I've stated in other threads, there are tangible consequences for missing early, especially for a team that doesn't utilize F.A. often.

With that said, it ultimately comes down to fielding the best team by whatever means necessary. The same scouts missing in the early rounds are the ones finding Shields, Elliot, Barclay, Pennel, etc. so you can't solely criticize them for the misses.



That is not what this thread is about, he is calling a 3rd and 4th rnd 2014 pick busts, which in turn makes the whole 2014 draft a bust.

Anybody with any sense knows you can't judge a player let alone a whole draft class in 1 training camp.

Anything that uffda thinks will make Ted Thompson look bad he will post and bend the truth as much as he wants just to move his one and only agenda forward.
musccy  
#37 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:14:25 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
NFL teams routinely pay out HUGE contracts to ... LEFT tackles...not right ones.

With Bulaga it goes to the AJ Hawk argument which you're well aware of how I feel about that.

Dez Bryant vs. Bryan Bulaga... One is a top 3 WR in the NFL... the other is a middling RT. Yes, I'm partying like it's 1999, Darkane. :)


As has been said, the Cowboys also had to hire personal babysitters for Dez to keep him from shooting himself in the foot (figuratively speaking). The Packers now have a solid starting RT that they're paying an avg of about 3 mil/year for. When in the last 5 years have the Packers not adequately addressed the WR position? I don't see your Dez v. Bulaga argument.


musccy  
#38 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:18:26 PM(UTC)
StarrMax1 said: Go to Quoted Post
That is not what this thread is about, he is calling a 3rd and 4th rnd 2014 pick busts, which in turn makes the whole 2014 draft a bust.

Anybody with any sense knows you can't judge a player let alone a whole draft class in 1 training camp.

Anything that uffda thinks will make Ted Thompson look bad he will post and bend the truth as much as he wants just to move his one and only agenda forward.


I understand, I was just stating that I agreed with a portion of what I believed Uffda was saying. Anyway, the thread has moved on, and yes, I certainly agree that it's hard to call a mid-round pick a bust 4 weeks into camp when they're still on the roster.

uffda udfa  
#39 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:49:25 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
I understand, I was just stating that I agreed with a portion of what I believed Uffda was saying. Anyway, the thread has moved on, and yes, I certainly agree that it's hard to call a mid-round pick a bust 4 weeks into camp when they're still on the roster.



StarrMax1 said: Go to Quoted Post
That is not what this thread is about, he is calling a 3rd and 4th rnd 2014 pick busts, which in turn makes the whole 2014 draft a bust.

Anybody with any sense knows you can't judge a player let alone a whole draft class in 1 training camp.

Anything that uffda thinks will make Ted Thompson look bad he will post and bend the truth as much as he wants just to move his one and only agenda forward.


How many hundreds of guys will be judged and cut over the next few days off of one training camp?

You don't remember Ricky Elmore, do you? Guy had clips on YouTube of his uber athleticism. Some were thinking he was the next Clay Matthews. He was a 6th rounder if memory serves... CUT. Guy couldn't play a lick... much like Bradford and Thornton.

I thought this draft was horrific after it was completed. Does it mean the entire draft is a bust because Thornton and Bradford are likely to be busts? No. However, when you draft and claim it was about "winning now" and your guys don't look anywhere near ready to contribute, I'd say that's a big time bust.

Rich Rod will be starting along with Linsley so you can claim we got two starters from the draft. When Dix isn't good enough to beat out what we've had at safety that isn't very encouraging. Same for Davante Adams... Mr. Catch in college can't catch in the pros and will be lucky to find himself ahead of Jeff Janis. So, I would conclude that Dix and Adams are quite disappointing as our 1st and 2nd rounders. Goodson has been a JAG.

Right now... Rodgers and Linsley...starting due to injury to Bostick and Tretter. Two very weak positions on this team. Shame about Abby. Jeff Janis may be the best player from our draft this year. Remember, this draft was a "win now" draft. Let's see what we get from this class when all is said and done this year. It certainly doesn't look too promising as of today and the season is just around the corner.



evad04  
#40 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:00:56 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post


I thought this draft was horrific after it was completed. Does it mean the entire draft is a bust because Thornton and Bradford are likely to be busts? No. However, when you draft and claim it was about "winning now" and your guys don't look anywhere near ready to contribute, I'd say that's a big time bust.


Ted Thompson saying the draft is about winning now is a Ted Thompson type of thing to say. It's right up there with phrases like, "We think he can help our team" and "We think he can be a good player."

You are the only person that has taken it literally. I imagine your room looking like the dude from "A Beautiful Mind" where the are articles cut out everywhere and taped to the wall with red pen and strings criss-crossing and papers strewn about. And on big red letters scribbled over the mass of it all is "WINNING NOW"

Get a grip, dude. Take Thompson's comments with a heap of salt. Or, you could reference "winning now" in every other post. The latter would seem to be your strategy, and at least in its ability to make me want to jam a fork into my eye, its highly successful.
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