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Online DarkaneRules  
#31 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 1:35:35 PM(UTC)

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Bryan Bulaga is a starting tackle on this football team and playing well. Anything else is water under the bridge. Let's be happy he is playing well instead of lamenting where he was drafted. What do ya say?
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#32 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 1:39:29 PM(UTC)

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I don't get the RT/LT thing, pressure off the RT will screw up your play just as badly as pressure off the LT. People just significantly overrate the LT position because of the "blindside" stuff.
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#33 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 1:48:33 PM(UTC)

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NFL teams routinely pay out HUGE contracts to ... LEFT tackles...not right ones.

With Bulaga it goes to the AJ Hawk argument which you're well aware of how I feel about that.

Dez Bryant vs. Bryan Bulaga... One is a top 3 WR in the NFL... the other is a middling RT. Yes, I'm partying like it's 1999, Darkane. Smile
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#34 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 1:53:21 PM(UTC)

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uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
NFL teams routinely pay out HUGE contracts to ... LEFT tackles...not right ones.

With Bulaga it goes to the AJ Hawk argument which you're well aware of how I feel about that.

Dez Bryant vs. Bryan Bulaga... One is a top 3 WR in the NFL... the other is a middling RT. Yes, I'm partying like it's 1999, Darkane. Smile


I think Bulaga was rated as a top 3 RT in the NFL one year and his numbers didn't look too bad against the LT either.

Hawk is average... Bulaga can be extremely good at times, just hasn't been healthy and has struggled with injuries.
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#35 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 3:29:36 PM(UTC)

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Bryan Bulaga was a waste of FIRST round selection. Tell me why he was drafted by us in the 1st round? ... To play...?????... Yup, LEFT tackle, which he was NOT...ever...no how no way. So, he turns into an adequate RT and you chalk that up as a win? Not me. A fail...major fail. I remember the clock ticking on our pick just feeling sick that Ted Thompson would draft "Bustaga" as I called him then. Dez is sitting there. All the talent in the world. Just a special player. Nope...we get the plodder who can't play LT at the NFL level. Yes, disappointed...still.



You're doing it wrong. You add milk, not piss, to your Cheerios. It tastes much better. Well, I can only imagine -- I haven't tried it your way.

Your freakish obsession with draft position continues on. Bryan Bulaga was drafted with the intention to play left tackle. True statement. As it turned out, he was a better fit on the right side. Never possessed the arm length that fits with prototype left tackle. But he's played well on the right side. He's a quality starter on the right side for an emerging offensive line.

That's not a first-round bust. A first-round bust is a guy who doesn't contribute -- a guy who doesn't start.

We did, however, draft a guy in the 4th round who appears to be a solid fit at left tackle: David Bakhtiari. He played well for a rookie and got stronger in the offseason. Sounds like great value to me. Another mid-round selection for the Pack on the offensive line who we fans can be excited about (Lang, a solid guard, and Sitton a All-Pro caliber guard).

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#36 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 3:33:15 PM(UTC)

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Uffda or others who criticize the team for missing in early rounds have a point. As I've stated in other threads, there are tangible consequences for missing early, especially for a team that doesn't utilize F.A. often.

With that said, it ultimately comes down to fielding the best team by whatever means necessary. The same scouts missing in the early rounds are the ones finding Shields, Elliot, Barclay, Pennel, etc. so you can't solely criticize them for the misses.



That is not what this thread is about, he is calling a 3rd and 4th rnd 2014 pick busts, which in turn makes the whole 2014 draft a bust.

Anybody with any sense knows you can't judge a player let alone a whole draft class in 1 training camp.

Anything that uffda thinks will make Ted Thompson look bad he will post and bend the truth as much as he wants just to move his one and only agenda forward.
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#37 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:14:25 PM(UTC)

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uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
NFL teams routinely pay out HUGE contracts to ... LEFT tackles...not right ones.

With Bulaga it goes to the AJ Hawk argument which you're well aware of how I feel about that.

Dez Bryant vs. Bryan Bulaga... One is a top 3 WR in the NFL... the other is a middling RT. Yes, I'm partying like it's 1999, Darkane. Smile


As has been said, the Cowboys also had to hire personal babysitters for Dez to keep him from shooting himself in the foot (figuratively speaking). The Packers now have a solid starting RT that they're paying an avg of about 3 mil/year for. When in the last 5 years have the Packers not adequately addressed the WR position? I don't see your Dez v. Bulaga argument.


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#38 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:18:26 PM(UTC)

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That is not what this thread is about, he is calling a 3rd and 4th rnd 2014 pick busts, which in turn makes the whole 2014 draft a bust.

Anybody with any sense knows you can't judge a player let alone a whole draft class in 1 training camp.

Anything that uffda thinks will make Ted Thompson look bad he will post and bend the truth as much as he wants just to move his one and only agenda forward.


I understand, I was just stating that I agreed with a portion of what I believed Uffda was saying. Anyway, the thread has moved on, and yes, I certainly agree that it's hard to call a mid-round pick a bust 4 weeks into camp when they're still on the roster.

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#39 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:49:25 PM(UTC)

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I understand, I was just stating that I agreed with a portion of what I believed Uffda was saying. Anyway, the thread has moved on, and yes, I certainly agree that it's hard to call a mid-round pick a bust 4 weeks into camp when they're still on the roster.



StarrMax1 said: Go to Quoted Post
That is not what this thread is about, he is calling a 3rd and 4th rnd 2014 pick busts, which in turn makes the whole 2014 draft a bust.

Anybody with any sense knows you can't judge a player let alone a whole draft class in 1 training camp.

Anything that uffda thinks will make Ted Thompson look bad he will post and bend the truth as much as he wants just to move his one and only agenda forward.


How many hundreds of guys will be judged and cut over the next few days off of one training camp?

You don't remember Ricky Elmore, do you? Guy had clips on YouTube of his uber athleticism. Some were thinking he was the next Clay Matthews. He was a 6th rounder if memory serves... CUT. Guy couldn't play a lick... much like Bradford and Thornton.

I thought this draft was horrific after it was completed. Does it mean the entire draft is a bust because Thornton and Bradford are likely to be busts? No. However, when you draft and claim it was about "winning now" and your guys don't look anywhere near ready to contribute, I'd say that's a big time bust.

Rich Rod will be starting along with Linsley so you can claim we got two starters from the draft. When Dix isn't good enough to beat out what we've had at safety that isn't very encouraging. Same for Davante Adams... Mr. Catch in college can't catch in the pros and will be lucky to find himself ahead of Jeff Janis. So, I would conclude that Dix and Adams are quite disappointing as our 1st and 2nd rounders. Goodson has been a JAG.

Right now... Rodgers and Linsley...starting due to injury to Bostick and Tretter. Two very weak positions on this team. Shame about Abby. Jeff Janis may be the best player from our draft this year. Remember, this draft was a "win now" draft. Let's see what we get from this class when all is said and done this year. It certainly doesn't look too promising as of today and the season is just around the corner.



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#40 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:00:56 PM(UTC)

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I thought this draft was horrific after it was completed. Does it mean the entire draft is a bust because Thornton and Bradford are likely to be busts? No. However, when you draft and claim it was about "winning now" and your guys don't look anywhere near ready to contribute, I'd say that's a big time bust.


Ted Thompson saying the draft is about winning now is a Ted Thompson type of thing to say. It's right up there with phrases like, "We think he can help our team" and "We think he can be a good player."

You are the only person that has taken it literally. I imagine your room looking like the dude from "A Beautiful Mind" where the are articles cut out everywhere and taped to the wall with red pen and strings criss-crossing and papers strewn about. And on big red letters scribbled over the mass of it all is "WINNING NOW"

Get a grip, dude. Take Thompson's comments with a heap of salt. Or, you could reference "winning now" in every other post. The latter would seem to be your strategy, and at least in its ability to make me want to jam a fork into my eye, its highly successful.
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#41 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:25:46 PM(UTC)

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Ted Thompson saying the draft is about winning now is a Ted Thompson type of thing to say. It's right up there with phrases like, "We think he can help our team" and "We think he can be a good player."

You are the only person that has taken it literally. I imagine your room looking like the dude from "A Beautiful Mind" where the are articles cut out everywhere and taped to the wall with red pen and strings criss-crossing and papers strewn about. And on big red letters scribbled over the mass of it all is "WINNING NOW"

Get a grip, dude. Take Thompson's comments with a heap of salt. Or, you could reference "winning now" in every other post. The latter would seem to be your strategy, and at least in its ability to make me want to jam a fork into my eye, its highly successful.


Your scathing sarcastic replies are at the very least entertaining. I appreciate and look forward to new ways you might insult me.

I have no articles...anywhere. Loved the shot and BM reference. However, it is odd that you want to diminish what Ted Thompson said in front of the shareholders. I will keep that in mind going forward here that anything Ted Thompson says is irrelevant as the picks he makes in the draft.
Ted Thompson is your guy... one of the best in the NFL, right? Even if you take the focus off the "winning now" commentary you can't deny the early returns on this draft class are not promising. Add that in with some of the recent trainwreck drafts and it is hard to argue we're being led in the right direction.



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#42 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:59:38 PM(UTC)

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evad04 said: Go to Quoted Post
Ted Thompson saying the draft is about winning now is a Ted Thompson type of thing to say. It's right up there with phrases like, "We think he can help our team" and "We think he can be a good player."

You are the only person that has taken it literally. I imagine your room looking like the dude from "A Beautiful Mind" where the are articles cut out everywhere and taped to the wall with red pen and strings criss-crossing and papers strewn about. And on big red letters scribbled over the mass of it all is "WINNING NOW"

Get a grip, dude. Take Thompson's comments with a heap of salt. Or, you could reference "winning now" in every other post. The latter would seem to be your strategy, and at least in its ability to make me want to jam a fork into my eye, its highly successful.


I was laughing as I read his post, too. Anyone that has followed Ted Thompson over the years should know that almost everything he says publicly lacks substance, on purpose. He doesn't want to say much of anything to the media and other outlets, and I can understand why. It only annoys us Packers fans that care a little too much about the team, anyway. I'm sure Ted Thompson isn't losing sleep over that. Most general managers are no different than politicians. They mostly throw around rhetoric. Some fans may not like it, but it is what it is and it's more common than not in the league today. It's not a general manager or coach's job to appease fans via press conferences.

Moreover, I'm sure Ted is trying his best to "win now." Whether or not he makes the best draft picks is a different issue entirely. I really don't think Ted Thompson ever drafts a player thinking that he is not going to help the Packers win, or at least has a chance to. He may not succeed in that goal each time, just like every other general manager, but I'm certain he is trying. I see no reason he would purposely make bad picks. Once again, a pretty silly argument. I'm not sure how long it will take some Packers fans to realize not to take things Ted and Mike McCarthy say too literally. They know exactly what they are saying when they say it, and they continue to use the same rhetoric for a reason.

A draft is generally considered pretty good if a team get's a good starter or two, and a few role players. I think Clinton-Dix will mature into a good starter, but it might take a few seasons, just like it did for Nick Collins. I think Davonte Adams is going to be a good wide receiver, and will put up numbers similar to and better than James Jones did for the Packers. Richard Rodgers is going to be a good tight end and will likely eventually be a starter for a few years. According to some, Corey Linsley has been looking like he belongs in the NFL. He will probably be a more than serviceable player, in time. Abbrederis will contribute, and Janis probably will too. There are a few other players that very well could develop into contributors, even if it's only special teams. Overall, that can't be considered a horrible draft. It may not be a GREAT draft, but at this point, it doesn't look too bad. There are always going to be a few busts no matter what.
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#43 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 6:03:19 PM(UTC)

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However, when you draft and claim it was about "winning now" and your guys don't look anywhere near ready to contribute, I'd say that's a big time bust.


If this "winning now" quote did in fact come from the shareholders, as you suggest it did, then you're in effect taking the quote out of context. If Boykin, Nelson, and Cobb all go down due to IR, are you then going to hold this quote against Ted because Jeff Janis wasn't prepared to be a #1 this season? That's in effect what you're doing with Thornton. At the time of the sharehoulders meeting, Guion, Raji, and arguably Worthy were still options inside, and all have since become/remained injured. No rational person would think that Thornton was drafted with the expectation of being a day 1 starter, nor would anyone think that every single draft pick and UDFA needs to be selected for the purpose of winning today.

What needs did Ted try not to address this season? Safety - HaHa, C - Linsley, WR - 3 draft picks, TE - Rodgers, Rusher opposite Clay - Peppers.

At the time of his quote, yes, I'd agree with Ted that he was making attempts to "win now" by addressing depth at positions of need.
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If Elliot turns out to be a player and Bradford doesn't I won't be upset because of where they're drafted. At the end of the day, that really doesn't matter me as long as you find talented guys on your 53 and field a competitive team. If this were last year though, I'd be peeved because the OLB depth was really bad last year.


If the 1st rounder rides the pine and the 6th rounder and undrafted players make significant impact, then the General Manager does not deserve an extension.

2014 draft class has zero busts because it is not possible to state as such without giving them three seasons, hell, at least ONE season to prove they are catching on or they are not.

People jump up an down for praising the boys in underwear, yet we're gonna go the extreme opposite direction? I can't be the only one seeing this. [wasntme]
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Ha! Yeah, that's me... I'm that guy... 99% is not good enough. It's so funny...I recently took a test...very recently... 97% was my score. I was livid with myself. I was especially angry over the legal interpretation of one of the questions I answered incorrectly. The goal was getting them all right. I didn't handle it well because I'm driven to be the best I can be and I left one on the table there. I didn't take it out on anyone else but me. I'm the one who missed it, nobody else. In fact, now I'm mad all over again. Thanks. Smile




We interrupt this important discussion for this totally irrelevant response.

When I was in high school one of my history teachers used to give us a 50 question pre test before every unit. The score of didn't count in our grade, it was just to see how much we knew about the subject going in. For our WWII unit (yes, we had a whole unit on WWII not just the 1 day it gets now) I got 2 questions wrong. They were:

true or false- the United States entered WWII after the Germans attacked Poland. I answered true. and he said I was wrong.

I said so you are telling me the US entered WWII BEFORE Germany attacked Poland. He said, well no, but the US entered WWII after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. I countered with Yes, but December 7th 1941 which is when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor was AFTER September 1st 1939 which is when Germany attacked Poland therefore the United States entered WWII AFTER the Germans attacked Poland. He said well yes but they entered the war as a result of the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 not as a result of the German attack on Poland in 1939 which is what I was looking for. I said If you wanted me to tell you why US entered WWII you should have asked me why the US entered WWII instead of asking a confusing question about when and forcing me to read you mind about what you were looking for. The prick didn't give in. Apparently he didn't like being made to look like a fool in front of the class.

question #2 I got wrong What was the Black Widow- I answered "a US twin engine night fighter built by Northrop aviation designated the P-61." (note, that was my exact answer. I remember it like it was yesterday. Never mind that I don't remember yesterday) Wrong, apparently it was some female spy or something like that. He didn't give in on that one either even after I provided him with evidence when I brought in the plastic model of the plane that I had built along with the box and the historical write up that came with it.

My point? it is frustrating when you are smarter than your teachers. Strange thing is though he became one of my favorite teachers and we got along great. Of course it helped that I loved history.

FYI in case you think I was making it up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_P-61_Black_Widow Oh, and I just tried googling wwII black widow spy and came up with nothing. Take that Mr. Brist.


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