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Offline uffda udfa  
#46 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 6:07:31 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
If this "winning now" quote did in fact come from the shareholders, as you suggest it did, then you're in effect taking the quote out of context. If Boykin, Nelson, and Cobb all go down due to IR, are you then going to hold this quote against Ted because Jeff Janis wasn't prepared to be a #1 this season? That's in effect what you're doing with Thornton. At the time of the sharehoulders meeting, Guion, Raji, and arguably Worthy were still options inside, and all have since become/remained injured. No rational person would think that Thornton was drafted with the expectation of being a day 1 starter, nor would anyone think that every single draft pick and UDFA needs to be selected for the purpose of winning today.

What needs did Ted try not to address this season? Safety - HaHa, C - Linsley, WR - 3 draft picks, TE - Rodgers, Rusher opposite Clay - Peppers.

At the time of his quote, yes, I'd agree with Ted that he was making attempts to "win now" by addressing depth at positions of need.


EVERY single team in the NFL has players for each position...that is not addressing needs. That is filling up quotas for positions.

Did you consider S fixed when he drafted Jerron McMillian? It was an attempt to address...that failed. It appears the attempts to address things this off-season have failed for the most part. It's early...we'll see how much better or worse this one gets.

Offline musccy  
#47 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 6:21:59 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
EVERY single team in the NFL has players for each position...that is not addressing needs. That is filling up quotas for positions.

Did you consider S fixed when he drafted Jerron McMillian? It was an attempt to address...that failed. It appears the attempts to address things this off-season have failed for the most part. It's early...we'll see how much better or worse this one gets.



As Dodd said, whether Ted was effective or not is a separate argument. My interpretation of you holding the "win now" quote against Ted was that he was not attempting to help the team win immediately, which he clearly has been attempting.


McMillian did not work out. AJ Jenkins was a first rounder cut by the 49ers a year later and never had a catch by them, that didn't work either. Dez Bryant was so bad off the field that the Cowboys had to draft rules specific to him and hire a babysitter to force him to act professionally, something he couldn't do under his own power. Stuff happens.
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Offline sschind  
#48 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 6:25:11 PM(UTC)
If only we could get 6 or 7 picks in the top 10 next year, that would fix everything.
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Offline uffda udfa  
#49 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 7:26:47 PM(UTC)
Great stuff...you and I would get along great. I'm sure you'd agree. Smile

I'll counter... the instructor I have now has been teaching this material to several classes each year for the past 5 years. I got one question wrong on one of his finals and vehemently debated the question was incorrect. He actually agreed and seemed miffed that in 5 years nobody had ever pointed that out. It is frustrating to feel like you have to interpret what a question is really asking instead of what it's just asking like you said.

He should've changed your grade. I got a 99 changed to a 100 long ago. I studied like I'd never studied before for a final test I was told nobody had ever aced in the 40 year history of the institution. My goal was to do what hadn't been done...only to find that I was marked wrong for one question that I knew I didn't have wrong. It got involved and reviewed and finally I was granted my 100...I was upset I had to fight for it, but I got it...first guy ever.

When you are driven to be the best at a particular challenge and you don't meet your goal it is incredibly disappointing. I like the old quote: I hate losing more than I like winning. Boy, is that ever true for me.

Relating this to football... it is said Aaron Rodgers is ultra competitive...cards, football, whatever... that is what separates the greats from the goods. That incredible will and refusal to accept anything less than perfection. Watching this organization operate is hard because there is nothing I can do about what happens in it but watch the trainwreck every playoffs and the miserable defense that never gets better. Nobody cares about why I post the way I post but that is why I'm perceived as negative and miserable. You wouldn't ever be able to pick me out in a crowd if you sat and watched for weeks. When it comes to sports or challenges...perfection is the goal. Failure is not an option. Go Pack...
Offline QCHuskerFan  
#50 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 8:19:14 AM(UTC)
I am 97% sure that after the Pack goes 19-0, winning the Super Bowl by a record margin, someone would be on here the next morning complaining about the players they used and when they were drafted.
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DoddPower on 8/25/2014(UTC)
Offline DoddPower  
#51 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 1:01:03 PM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post
I am 97% sure that after the Pack goes 19-0, winning the Super Bowl by a record margin, someone would be on here the next morning complaining about the players they used and when they were drafted.


Dat hater Kool-Aid. It's a hell of a drug!!! Har har har, I'm so cool 'cuz I use a Kool-Aid metaphor. [duh]
Offline buckeyepackfan  
#52 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 1:29:45 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
Great stuff...you and I would get along great. I'm sure you'd agree. Smile

I'll counter... the instructor I have now has been teaching this material to several classes each year for the past 5 years. I got one question wrong on one of his finals and vehemently debated the question was incorrect. He actually agreed and seemed miffed that in 5 years nobody had ever pointed that out. It is frustrating to feel like you have to interpret what a question is really asking instead of what it's just asking like you said.

He should've changed your grade. I got a 99 changed to a 100 long ago. I studied like I'd never studied before for a final test I was told nobody had ever aced in the 40 year history of the institution. My goal was to do what hadn't been done...only to find that I was marked wrong for one question that I knew I didn't have wrong. It got involved and reviewed and finally I was granted my 100...I was upset I had to fight for it, but I got it...first guy ever.

When you are driven to be the best at a particular challenge and you don't meet your goal it is incredibly disappointing. I like the old quote: I hate losing more than I like winning. Boy, is that ever true for me.

Relating this to football... it is said Aaron Rodgers is ultra competitive...cards, football, whatever... that is what separates the greats from the goods. That incredible will and refusal to accept anything less than perfection. Watching this organization operate is hard because there is nothing I can do about what happens in it but watch the trainwreck every playoffs and the miserable defense that never gets better. Nobody cares about why I post the way I post but that is why I'm perceived as negative and miserable. You wouldn't ever be able to pick me out in a crowd if you sat and watched for weeks. When it comes to sports or challenges...perfection is the goal. Failure is not an option. Go Pack...


nm

Offline macbob  
#53 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 4:40:51 PM(UTC)


JSOnline said:
Carl Bradford gets first look at inside linebacker

Green Bay --- For the first time all spring and summer, rookie Carl Bradford worked at inside linebacker during practice.


It's about EFF'IN TIME! Why'd it take until the last week of training camp???

Idiots.
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Offline DarkaneRules  
#54 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 7:04:29 PM(UTC)
I think it's just to see what he can do there. The goal is to get the 53 best players when all is said and done. I really hope they don't keep him just because of his draft position but only if he truly deserves it.
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