Peppers Has Been A Bargain· Page 2

wpr
Preferred Member

9 years ago

#11

I thought Peppers was done and was going to be a bust. I was wrong 🤦

Originally Posted by: steveishere

I was was hopeful he would be able to make a solid contribution on a down or two a series.

nerdmann
Premier Member

9 years ago

#12

One player a year would make a huge difference. Even one every other year would.

Originally Posted by: wpr

You mean like Sam Shields? DuJuan Harris? Don Barclay? Agreed.

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beast
Select Member

9 years ago

#13

Ted Thompson is pretty good at free agency, at least when the moves are actually substantial. It really makes me wonder why he doesn't use it a little more. Think back over the last few years. How many other Julius Peppers might there have been that could have helped this team? One? Two? More? Even a couple could have made a big difference.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower

True, but maybe Thompson has been pretty good with his "substantial" FA moves because he's been so selective with them...

I think the Packers have said they believe adding people hurts the development of the guys they already got by taking away reps from them. Also believe FAs is mainly for filling depth when you fail to fill depth through the draft and/or you have a great deal.

And I still sort of blame Safety Marquand Manuel for the basically career ruining injury to Safety Marviel Underwood (not to be confused with troubled CB Brandon Underwood)...

Safety Marviel Underwood was in his 2nd year, and grew a lot from his rookie year and IMO was playing better than Manuel and looked like the possible long term starter to go with Collins, but they put Manuel ahead of Underwood and they had few Safeties in camp which meant Underwood had to due the mop up duty in preseason games and Underwood got a season ending knee injury and he never bounced back to even half of his old self. The worse part was I saw it coming the weeks before... the guys was too good to be doing that much mop up duty, I was he'd get injured even though he was playing like the 2nd best Safety behind only Collins then.

You mean like Sam Shields? DuJuan Harris? Don Barclay? Agreed.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Yeah... as well as Woodson, Peppers, Pickett, Tramon Williams and Tim Masthay.

wpr
Preferred Member

9 years ago

#14

You mean like Sam Shields? DuJuan Harris? Don Barclay? Agreed.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

🙄

If that is what you want to think. Fine.

DoddPower
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#15

🙄

If that is what you want to think. Fine.

Originally Posted by: wpr

That's just part of team development and not what I would personally consider "substantial" free agent moves. That is, spending real money on proven talent. UDFAs that develop into good players are not the same thing. Ted Thompson may only be pretty good at my so-called "substantial" free agency pursuits because he rarely dabbles, but I can't help but think he could have had similar success another time or two. Another couple of players could have made a big difference. It's happen many times throughout the NFL the past few years. It doesn't always work out, but that's football.

And if bringing in Peppers or other similar players hurts the development of players such as MD Jennings, Brad Jones, CJ Wilson, et al., then so be it. That's a risk I'd be more than comfortable with taking. The actual cream would still rise to the top, imo. Sometimes a free agent or developing young player won't work out, but what about when they actually do?

wpr
Preferred Member

9 years ago

#16

Originally Posted by: DoddPower

Agreed. It gets very tiring to have the same discussion over and over again about UDFAs. They try and pretend these players are so valuable that they are actually equal to both daft picks and real FAs. It is ridiculous.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: DoddPower

He probably doesn't because there isn't one to be had, or both sides aren't mutually attracted to one another. Green Bay isn't a hot bed for young males wanting to soil their oats. You can land men who are grown and married with kids with less difficulty.

steveishere
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#18

Originally Posted by: wpr

Valuable enough to get a 8-10m/year contract it seems. What I don't get is people acting like re signing your own FA isn't signing a FA. When that player hits FA he's no longer on your team so when we re signed James Jones for pretty cheap last time and he led the league in receiving TDs the next year everyone acted like it didn't count yet if we had let Jones walk and signed some WR named Joe Schmoe from the Bengals and he did the exact same thing everyone would have been like SEE FA!!!!!

DoddPower
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#19

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Yeah, I can understand that. But I still think Ted Thompson could probably make it happen more often than he does, and I think it would help the team more than hurt it (although inevitably it could do a little of both).

DoddPower
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#20

Originally Posted by: steveishere

When I talk about free agents, I'm generally talking about outside free agents. That is, players that didn't play for the Packers the past season. Resigning a teams own players generally keeps the core in tact, but signing outside free agents to fill in gaps (e.g. Pickett, Woodson, Peppers) can seriously address obvious weaknesses. Resigning a teams free agents isn't likely to address weaknesses from the previous season. Without substantial outside free agents, most the pressure is on the draft and/or UDFA. That makes it tough if one isn't drafting very well every season.

I have no interest in Ted signing players just to sign players or just to be active in free agency to say that he is. I want him to sign players that can help this team, and I think there are a few out there every couple of years.

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