Chmura says players must fear head coach, Packers do not· Page 2

68md
Member

8 years ago

Some validity in what he says. But hang with me because I believe it's deeper than fear etc. This all started back after the NFC title loss..it crushed this team spiritually.Right after that Mike McCarthy brother dies a tragic early death.

The man hasn't been emotionally vested since then. Grows a beard just like his brother and wears it through camp... says f*** it and hands over play calling and game planning to Bennett and Clements. Just a bunch of out of character stuff. With those moves he takes his WR and QB and coach's them together .... those position groups need separate coaching.

So now your QB who like all QB is the hot shot in the room with his WR. His OC/Asst HC Clements are buddies and Aaron gets whatever game plan he wants. Bad juju

Looks great through 6 games..off week they all relax and BOOM ! Denver with a stud defense make's Mr Rodgers and his merry men look like the Green bay park and rec runner up team. Teams study that tape and the Chargers tape and have things figured out.

Enter Mike McCarthy whom I believe got some heat from above. ( The dude doesn't get a revelation sipping his coffee "hell I better demote my OC and take over play calling") at any rate he now has to undo ALL that fast talking about Clements and company being more than ready..it's time blah blah. All BS folks

This has lasting effects regardless of what they poop out the PR machine. Would you work as hard for a boss who cut your knees out from under you ? (Clements and Bennett) Would you trust a coach you play for that has said one thing and done another time after time?

EXAMPLE : ( Goes out in public on Myles White says "he earned a shot at this team" Best camp yet" But goes out and gets Jones and cuts White ? Players remember that type of thing)

So you have a coach who wasn't and still may not be emotionally vested. A few coach's who say F*** it I got screwed I am going through the motions. A QB who's buddy isn't calling the shots anymore and is getting pounded week in and out and I suspect some players that never really respected the aforementioned coach from day 1.

So I think Chumra ( Butler last night) as former players sniff that things in that locker room stink. I concur with my theory above.

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nerdmann
Premier Member

8 years ago

#12

I stopped caring what Chmura thinks after his little hot tub altercation with the next door babysitter.

We need to completely gut the coaching staff and let the knew head coach bring in whomever he wants. Too much talent and opportunity has been wasted, and that accountability falls on the head coach.

Let the heads roll.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

Won't happen, but if it did, I'd support Ted's decision.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

nerdmann
Premier Member

8 years ago

#13

Originally Posted by: 68md

If this is true, and it sounds pretty good, Mike can still get this team back, but it's gonna be a fine line he's gotta walk.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

PackerTraxx
Senior Member

8 years ago

#14

I don't know that the players have to fear the coach but they absolutely have to respect him. Fear without respect won't get you much. In this day and age fear is pretty hard to create. Within a few years a player is independently wealthy. On top of that there's free agency, teams don't "own" player as they did years ago. With that I'll say I've always thought our assistant coaches as a whole were below average or maybe at best average.

Lombardi had fear and respect, but he also had the admiration of his player, he was principled, had high character, a high work ethic, understood human nature and behavior, etc. etc.

Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?

voiceofreason
Member

8 years ago

#15

I've heard alot of McCarthy needs to get fired talked with very little talk of better alternatives. The only 2 coaches I can recall being asked for by name are Tom Coughlin and Sean Payton.

Tom Coughlin: 12 years with Giants 5 playoff appearances and 2 super bowls.

Sean Payton: 9 years with Saints 5 playoff appearances and 1 super bowl.

Mike McCarthy: 10 years with Packers 8 playoff appearances and 1 super bowl.

The grass is always greener on the other side. I agree that this year has been a disappointment up to this point and some type of dysfunction is present. However I urge all to be careful what you wish for.

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PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#16

Originally Posted by: voiceofreason

Rodgers/favre > Eli/Brees.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

dhazer
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: voiceofreason

Jim Harbaugh : 4 seasons 2 losses in the nfc championship 1 loss Super Bowl and an 8-8 season. He was let go because he lost the team.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

voiceofreason
Member

8 years ago

#18

Jim Harbaugh : 4 seasons 2 losses in the nfc championship 1 loss Super Bowl and an 8-8 season. He was let go because he lost the team.

Originally Posted by: dhazer

Great point. The 49er's don't regret pushing Harbaugh out the door at all. They have had a great season.

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voiceofreason
Member

8 years ago

#19

Rodgers/favre > Eli/Brees.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

I agree, but McCarthy can only coach the players on his team.

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PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#20

I agree, but McCarthy can only coach the players on his team.

Originally Posted by: voiceofreason

As any coach. But I do believe the teams record under McCarthy is more due to players than his coaching. Having Favre to begin, than Rodgers, with Driver, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, and Cobb makes offensive coaching pretty easy. We are seeing what happens with his offense as the depth deteriorates. I would bet any number of coaches could produce equally with that amount of offensive talent.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

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