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Offline Packnic  
#51 Posted : Monday, November 10, 2008 3:54:59 PM(UTC)
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if Mike McCarthy doesn't kick each of their collective asses this week & penalties don't get cleaned up, we're screwed!

He won't. But he will tell us "it can be fixed." :thumbright:



Fire Mike McCarthy.

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I'm not trying to be a troll dude. But calling out a coach because he lost one game out of the last 6 to a team... isn't really fair.

we have owned them recently under Mike McCarthy and we just lost this one by a point. It's not the end of the world.
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#52 Posted : Monday, November 10, 2008 3:57:53 PM(UTC)
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if Mike McCarthy doesn't kick each of their collective asses this week & penalties don't get cleaned up, we're screwed!

He won't. But he will tell us "it can be fixed." :thumbright:



Fire Mike McCarthy.

Troll.



I'm not trying to be a troll dude. But calling out a coach because he lost one game out of the last 6 to a team... isn't really fair.

we have owned them recently under Mike McCarthy and we just lost this one by a point. It's not the end of the world.

Im calling out the coach because we continue to make the same mistakes over and over and over and over again. In case you didnt know, we lead the league in penalties. That is a coaching problem. I know you think Mike McCarthy is above criticism but he isn't.
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#53 Posted : Monday, November 10, 2008 4:05:34 PM(UTC)
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if Mike McCarthy doesn't kick each of their collective asses this week & penalties don't get cleaned up, we're screwed!

He won't. But he will tell us "it can be fixed." :thumbright:



Fire Mike McCarthy.

Troll.



I'm not trying to be a troll dude. But calling out a coach because he lost one game out of the last 6 to a team... isn't really fair.

we have owned them recently under Mike McCarthy and we just lost this one by a point. It's not the end of the world.


Agreed to a point.. I think as yooper put it someplace.. the honeymoon is over.. offering up the same lame and basic lines week in and out isn't cutting it with me and others..

I don't want to hear that it will be fixed, I want to see that it has been fixed, consistently. No more of this jacking a player up one week, getting results and then laying a freaking egg the next week.. 3 years has been more than enough time to get past that stage. Something is broken.. and I don't believe it is all on the players along the offensive line..
Offline Packnic  
#54 Posted : Monday, November 10, 2008 4:26:30 PM(UTC)
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if Mike McCarthy doesn't kick each of their collective asses this week & penalties don't get cleaned up, we're screwed!

He won't. But he will tell us "it can be fixed." :thumbright:



Fire Mike McCarthy.

Troll.



I'm not trying to be a troll dude. But calling out a coach because he lost one game out of the last 6 to a team... isn't really fair.

we have owned them recently under Mike McCarthy and we just lost this one by a point. It's not the end of the world.

Im calling out the coach because we continue to make the same mistakes over and over and over and over again. In case you didnt know, we lead the league in penalties. That is a coaching problem. I know you think Mike McCarthy is above criticism but he isn't.


I hardly think he is above criticism. His challenge on the AP touchdown for instance was one of the dumber and more desperate looking things i've seen him do. and the penalties are definetely a problem that this young team needs to fix. We have also been in these games at the end against good football teams and that deserves just as much credit as blame. I also realize that we have been down before and hes gotten the team back up. So you saying that he will tell us one thing and not do it is unfair.

and like he just said in his presser... we all want to swing far to the right when we win and far to left when we lose. you cant do that.

and there are few coaches id have above him and i think you feel the same.
Offline warhawk  
#55 Posted : Monday, November 10, 2008 4:54:30 PM(UTC)
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I don't know how coaches get blamed for penalties anymore than if a guy just whiffs on a block. It boils down to the same basic fundamentals and god knows Mike McCarty constantly preaches them.

If a guy holds it's because he's gotten beat which is because he isn't sound in his mechanics so what's the difference between that and just getting beat on a block?

Nobody here has any idea how much time the coaching staff spends on basic fundamentals and therefore pinning the penalty problem on the coaches is just barking up the wrong tree.

Like #73 hasn't been taught by coaches what the damn difference is between holding and not holding. Of course he knows. Now if he's out there on the field and the other guy is beating him and he holds how the heck does that fall to the coaches?

Like they don't go over and over plays all week long and a guy jumps the count for an illegal procedure. I suppose the coach gets a ding for that too, eh? Rediculous if you ask me.
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#56 Posted : Monday, November 10, 2008 4:58:08 PM(UTC)
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Like #73 hasn't been taught by coaches what the damn difference is between holding and not holding. Of course he knows. Now if he's out there on the field and the other guy is beating him and he holds how the heck does that fall to the coaches?
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Because the coaches continue to let it happen.

Heres how it works:

You screw up over and over and over and over and over and over again, you lose your job. You dont keep sending the same players out there to make the same mistakes. Why does no one understand this. Pull your heads out of the ground people. WOW.
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#57 Posted : Monday, November 10, 2008 5:02:17 PM(UTC)
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O-line is a little different there. You can't just bring in someone from the street. Scheme and cohesiveness are key. One reason we used to have such a good O-line is because they played together for so long. So you're left with a battle on the team, and I'm sure they are judged not just by in-game play (that would only grade the people getting game time) but practice play as well.

Saying that, something needs to be done. I don't know what it is yet, but we need improvement on the O-line or our season is over.
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#58 Posted : Monday, November 10, 2008 5:08:05 PM(UTC)
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I don't know how coaches get blamed for penalties anymore than if a guy just whiffs on a block. It boils down to the same basic fundamentals and god knows Mike McCarty constantly preaches them.

If a guy holds it's because he's gotten beat which is because he isn't sound in his mechanics so what's the difference between that and just getting beat on a block?

Nobody here has any idea how much time the coaching staff spends on basic fundamentals and therefore pinning the penalty problem on the coaches is just barking up the wrong tree.

Like #73 hasn't been taught by coaches what the damn difference is between holding and not holding. Of course he knows. Now if he's out there on the field and the other guy is beating him and he holds how the heck does that fall to the coaches?

Like they don't go over and over plays all week long and a guy jumps the count for an illegal procedure. I suppose the coach gets a ding for that too, eh? Rediculous if you ask me.


While I agree that the coaches can't be held responsible for the players stupidity upon the field, it is their responsibility to enforce the accountability upon the players and change their behavior.

So in my opinion, the same basic 5 players have been playing for the better part of 3 years together and we see the same mistakes weekly.. there is a problem someplace.

So it is either the players don't have the talent or the coaching staff isn't putting the correct players into the positions to be successful.

Either way, in year three, we shouldn't be having the same basic fundamental lapses.. weekly. If this collection of players along the oline don't have what it takes, it is the coaches responsibility to express that upon the head coach and GM.. in turn they need to get them players that can execute their plans.

We added two rookies to the mix.. nothing more.. speaks volumes on their thoughts of the talent level.

Add to this, we have issues in stunt and blitz pickups yet.. year three... something is amiss.. so whom should we be pleading with to get this happy horseshit cleaned up?

The accountability falls upon the players and/ or the coaches.. we know the players can do it, they do at times with various levels of competition.. they just can't do it consistently.. that there leads me to point at the position coaches and a lack of preparation and focus of the players.

Coach'em up or ship them out.. one of the two. Not plod along hoping for the best.

As far as not knowing what they teach them or work on during practice... you are right, I have no idea of the weekly breakdowns in practice routines.. but I can tell you one thing.. weekly this group doesn't look prepared like and NFL offensive line should be.. consistently.
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#59 Posted : Monday, November 10, 2008 5:20:04 PM(UTC)
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Like #73 hasn't been taught by coaches what the damn difference is between holding and not holding. Of course he knows. Now if he's out there on the field and the other guy is beating him and he holds how the heck does that fall to the coaches?
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Because the coaches continue to let it happen.

Heres how it works:

You screw up over and over and over and over and over and over again, you lose your job. You dont keep sending the same players out there to make the same mistakes. Why does no one understand this. Pull your heads out of the heads people. WOW.



I'll agree with this. If what he's saying is that no. 73 is truly the best option we have at that position, then someone needs to answer for that. I don't think it's true, but I sure can't explain why dude starts every damn game at this point.

At this point people on that front line need to have the fear of unemployment put in their hearts.
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Not enough talent on the O-line.
Pretty simple answer, but hard to fix if you don't have the players on your roster to "fix" it.
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