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Offline Pack93z  
#126 Posted : Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:43:43 PM(UTC)
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[strike]I'm clearly not referring to you if you were not the ones who were saying the coaches/players have to go/be benched.[/strike]
And frankly, I don't see why we can't disagree with such a drastically negative judgment on the players and coaches.


I have no problem with disagreeing upon opinions and judgment, but when the wand of "Doom and Gloom" gets cast upon the entire state of Wisconsin.. ya.. I probably will respond.

There are a hell of a lot more positives on this team than negatives.. we have depth and we are in every ballgame for the most part..

But challenges that go unchecked.. are ripe for the picking.. especially when improving any one of them, probably would result in a couple more win notched in the W column.

And if one has the opinion they have seen this before.. then so be it. But I disagree with the notion that it is the late 80's syndrome, back then under Harlan, we had no consistent plan for year to year management of the roster.. every spring it was like Madden.. what can we do this year.. no vision upon the next 3.

Infante was a decent coach.. but we were mighty thin in depth and made some critical errors in drafting.. back then, the draft was the only way to build a team.. if you missed there.. you paid for it year after year.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#127 Posted : Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:55:38 PM(UTC)
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I'm perfectly calm, even a bit amused. The tolerance for mediocrity and error appears to be gaining its old foothold in GB again is all I'm saying. The coaching staff has the tolerance (check out Mike McCarthy's press conference: "I don't see a discipline problem") and some fans around here seem to also.

I saw too many instances of people having it even going back to the 70's; "all Bart needs is another year", "Lynn Dickey may not be able to run, but he's got a great arm", etc. Some defenders of the coaching efforts these last two games just took me down memory lane.

What do you think Lombardi's press conference would have sounded like had he been runnng the game last Sunday?

We lost to Brad Childress folks. It was that bad. Some here are saying that had Crosby made the field goal we wouldn't be having this conversation. Wrong. We had no business even having a crack at that field goal if the Vikes QB hadn't played so poorly. The truth is, the Pack made three picks, ran back a punt, and almost stole a game. Other than those picks and the punt TD; this game was a blowout.



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1999
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2001
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Offline MassPackersFan  
#128 Posted : Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:56:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
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I'm clearly not referring to you if you were not the ones who were saying the coaches/players have to go/be benched.
And frankly, I don't see why we can't disagree with such a drastically negative judgment on the players and coaches.

No one on this board said McCarthy should be fired. Not one person. LOL damn.


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In my humble opinion, we are back to the days of Lindy Infante and Tom Braatz. Its time for this discussion to turn to the probability that we need to clean house and get a new GM and head coach, and that has nothng to do with the Favre Fiasco BTW. It has everything to do with the performance of the aforementioned individuala and their records. Ted Thompson and his west coast BS have been a disaster which didn't show itself last year but is now.

Trying to pinch nickles and hiring a coach who doesn't learn from week to week are killing us. Maybe Favre was right; we should be looking to Mooch to bail us out here.


Yeah. And by the way, SAME person I originally quoted before all of you others got defensive.
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#129 Posted : Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:57:22 PM(UTC)
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Offline Pack93z  
#130 Posted : Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:02:53 PM(UTC)
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Yeah. And by the way, SAME person I originally quoted before all of you others got defensive.


You say defensive.. I say clarification.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline MassPackersFan  
#131 Posted : Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:07:28 PM(UTC)
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That works too. :lol:
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#132 Posted : Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:26:07 PM(UTC)
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i understand completely where you're coming from iron - i truly agree that the penalties are INEXCUSABLE!!! but i'm not gonna allow the comparisons to infante go unchecked - that's just silly.
Mike McCarthy needs to light a fire under these guys asses & make them understand that this type of play is NOT acceptable in green bay - period. does that mean i think he's a bad coach? hell no!
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#133 Posted : Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:21:45 PM(UTC)
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Something Pack93 said earlier in the season that i at the time dissagreed with.
That Mike McCarthy was too conservative this year. I have agreed with that for several weeks now. It seems he's playing not to win, but to not lose. At the end of the Viking game he should have been more aggressive to get a first down, instead of depending on a LONG FG attempt.
He seems to have lost that "pit bull" attitude.
If we screw up and lose this coming weekend, i think "Doom and Gloom" will pretty much have come true.
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Offline macbob  
#134 Posted : Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:38:06 PM(UTC)
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Coaches have these guys out there fighting hard every game. They're competitive--they just lost two games by a grand total of 4 points, and one of those two was the only remaining unbeaten team in the NFL. I thought the Pack played poorly, but they are only one play in both games from being 6-3.
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#135 Posted : Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:50:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Something Pack93 said earlier in the season that i at the time dissagreed with.
That Mike McCarthy was too conservative this year. I have agreed with that for several weeks now. It seems he's playing not to win, but to not lose. At the end of the Viking game he should have been more aggressive to get a first down, instead of depending on a LONG FG attempt.
He seems to have lost that "pit bull" attitude.
If we screw up and lose this coming weekend, i think "Doom and Gloom" will pretty much have come true.


I don't think McCarthy's changed his play calling that much from previous years. I think he's always been more conservative toward the end of the 2nd (passing on shots at the end zone with time still left on the clock and settling for a field goal attempt) and 4th (last year Pack would be ahead by 7 with 6 minutes left and they'd run 3 times trying to use up clock and punt, leaving 3 1/2 minutes left). I thought the end of the Vikings game was classic McCarthy, and if Crosby had hit the field goal we'd be singing his praises instead of cursing him.
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Offline Yerko  
#136 Posted : Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:57:19 PM(UTC)
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One thing I didn't understand is why not go for 2? We go up 26-21, kick a field goal putting us up by 6 and still giving the Vikings some time to score. Yes, you should be able to rely on your defense, but look what happened. I mean worst case scenario, you go for 2, you miss and you lose by 2 points instead of 1 after the Vikings score. Now, you go for 2...get in, go up 28-21. Vikings score, go into overtime and hope for the best.
I am not worried. I read most posts in this topic, some need to relax.
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#137 Posted : Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:11:00 PM(UTC)
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need to relax.


no argument there.
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#138 Posted : Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:17:30 PM(UTC)
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Something Pack93 said earlier in the season that i at the time dissagreed with.
That Mike McCarthy was too conservative this year. I have agreed with that for several weeks now. It seems he's playing not to win, but to not lose. At the end of the Viking game he should have been more aggressive to get a first down, instead of depending on a LONG FG attempt.
He seems to have lost that "pit bull" attitude.
If we screw up and lose this coming weekend, i think "Doom and Gloom" will pretty much have come true.


I don't think McCarthy's changed his play calling that much from previous years. I think he's always been more conservative toward the end of the 2nd (passing on shots at the end zone with time still left on the clock and settling for a field goal attempt) and 4th (last year Pack would be ahead by 7 with 6 minutes left and they'd run 3 times trying to use up clock and punt, leaving 3 1/2 minutes left). I thought the end of the Vikings game was classic McCarthy, and if Crosby had hit the field goal we'd be singing his praises instead of cursing him.

I'm not cursing Crosby. Just dissapointed in him. It was in a dome, under perfect conditions. He just plain missed. And THAT is what a kicker is paid for, to make the big kick when it counts the most. Had it been outside in bad weather, you can understand the miss. But in those conditions you should make it.
Oh well....can't change it now.
We may end up at the end of the season feeling even worse about it if it ends up costing us a playoff spot.
We were lucky to be in a position to win the game as bad as we played.
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#139 Posted : Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:42:12 PM(UTC)
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We were lucky to be in a position to win the game as bad as we played.


Yeah, the Packers looked pretty bad in the third down 21-10. But I don't know that I'd say they were lucky--the Packers have returned more than one interception and punt for TDs this year, and that's not luck. But it did put a lot of pressure on our playmakers to make those plays--if either one was tackled before the goal line, I don't know that we'd have scored a TD either time.
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#140 Posted : Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:02:14 AM(UTC)
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Outcoached?

Childress was 0-5 vs. the Packers coming into that game.

Keep reaching.
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#141 Posted : Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33:22 PM(UTC)
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We were lucky to be in a position to win the game as bad as we played.


Yeah, the Packers looked pretty bad in the third down 21-10. But I don't know that I'd say they were lucky--the Packers have returned more than one interception and punt for TDs this year, and that's not luck. But it did put a lot of pressure on our playmakers to make those plays--if either one was tackled before the goal line, I don't know that we'd have scored a TD either time.

I meant lucky from an offensive position. Our offense is the group thats SUPPOSED to score the points, and they were downright awful. Our D and special teams kept is in the game. But at the end our O couldn't get Crosby into better FG position. They had their chance to pull their heads out of their collective butts, and DO something in the game. But when it was on the line, they still couldn't muster enough to get the job done.
Yes.....Crosby SHOULD have made the FG anyway. But the O SHOULD have made it an easier distance.
JMO of course.
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#142 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2008 2:09:56 AM(UTC)
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#143 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2008 4:25:09 AM(UTC)
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crickets.

Reminds me of when Shaquille O'Neal would go half the season shooting 45% from the line. Then he would have one game where he goes 10 for 10, then he'd say that he proved all his critics wrong. LOL

This was a great win and I am happy. But my criticism of McCarthy after 9 games was justified.
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#144 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2008 11:07:10 AM(UTC)
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crickets.

Go figure.......Crosby can't make a 53 yarder in a dome, but NAILS his kicks in the cold and wind at Lambeau.
The kid showed he can also rebound from one bad kick.
That of course is a VERY good sign!
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#145 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2008 1:43:18 PM(UTC)
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crickets.


No Crickets what so ever... there was a noticeable difference in the intensity of this team this week.. no question about it.

We heard a few of the changes that Mike McCarthy and staff made this week in regards to preparation for this game.. whatever the entire scope of all those changes were we don't know... but one thing is for sure.. this team came out on a mission.. even the play calling seemed a little more balanced..

I know alot of people think the attitude and fire of a team has little direct influence from the head coach.. I disagree.. if the head coach and staff are fired up it catches on to the team..

Several laid back players had a extra snap to them yesterday.. guys like Tauscher, Kampman and Hawk.. all seemed to have had the fire in the belly burning a little hotter yesterday... know what I mean.

Personally game day coaching.. I don't think Mike McCarthy has been out coached.. did I think he played more to not lose than to win in some games this year.. without a doubt.. additionally I think we have been flat a couple of games.. to me.. that falls on the staff to keep these guys tuned in and fired up.

A+ for yesterday.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#146 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2008 1:47:39 PM(UTC)
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They played an A game yesterday,sure hope the coaches have a good one this week.
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#147 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2008 4:32:57 PM(UTC)
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Personally game day coaching.. I don't think Mike McCarthy has been out coached.. did I think he played more to not lose than to win in some games this year.. without a doubt.. additionally I think we have been flat a couple of games.. to me.. that falls on the staff to keep these guys tuned in and fired up.

A+ for yesterday.


I don't think it's a mystery that when you look at the last three games the Packers actually won, they ran the ball and it's not that they ran it well, but they stayed with it. Now against the Bears they actually stayed with it and did it well.

I think sometimes McCarthy out coaches himself. He's so stubborn that he sticks with his gameplan without making adjustments. We actually saw it again against the Bears except it was working and now was the time to stick with it. McCarthy and the coaching staff's true test will come when their gameplan isn't working and they need to make adjustments to win the game.

The team was well coached this week and I thought the fire they represented was a direct reflection of their coach. I think that much can be said.
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