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Smokey
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2016-07-09T04:01:17Z
The Washington Redskins have been under pressure to change their name. Some believe that the name "Redskins" is racially negative. So what could they change their names to ?

I realize this will most likely prompt those with humorous or derogatory names, but a real change may need to occur at some point. Should they go with something like the Senators, or Admirals, or Generals ? Perhaps something from the animal kingdom ?

I like the Washington Destroyers .

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wpr
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2016-07-09T05:11:56Z
I have no idea what name they will chose but it is inevitable in this day and age they will be forced to change it to something else.

Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves and Chicago Blackhawks are on the clock.
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DakotaT
2016-07-09T12:27:45Z
The University of North Dakota are no longer the Sioux. This crap went all the way through our government with lawsuits, but in the end, they had to change their name. I think all the money wasted could have been used on feeding homeless people, but that's just me.
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Cheesey
2016-07-09T21:45:43Z
With as many bad seasons they have had, how about "Washington Politicians"?
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OlHoss1884
2016-07-16T02:55:48Z
Originally Posted by: wpr 

I have no idea what name they will chose but it is inevitable in this day and age they will be forced to change it to something else.

Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves and Chicago Blackhawks are on the clock.



I'm sorry, which one of those other ones is a racial epithet? There would be a difference between a team called "Zulu Warriors" and one called the "Darkies".
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TheKanataThrilla
2016-07-16T12:47:33Z
Originally Posted by: wpr 

Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves and Chicago Blackhawks are on the clock.



Maybe the Indians and Braves, but there is no way the Blackhawks is changing. The Blackhawk and its jersey is celebrated by all aboriginal people that I know. I personally do not know anyone who finds the name or the logo offensive.
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2016-07-16T12:48:19Z
Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 

I'm sorry, which one of those other ones is a racial epithet? There would be a difference between a team called "Zulu Warriors" and one called the "Darkies".



In this day and age if one person were to say it hurts their feelings all the PC police come running to their side in protest.

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However the use of "Indians" as the name of a team is also part of the controversy which has led over 115 professional organizations representing civil rights, educational, athletic, and scientific experts to published resolutions or policies that state that any use of Native American names and/or symbols by non-native sports teams is a harmful form of ethnic stereotyping that promote misunderstanding and prejudice which contributes to other problems faced by Native Americans.



Legislative efforts to eliminate native-themed mascots, nicknames, and logos: Slow but steady progress post-APA resolution 

Cleveland has Chief Wahoo
Atlanta the stupid Tomahawk Chop
Chicago has their Blackhawks caricature logo.



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Cheesey
2016-07-16T18:08:50Z
Truth is, there will ALWAYS be people that are overly sensitive and will complain about team names.
All it takes is one person to complain and political correctness will take over.
I wouldn't care if they called them the "Washington Honkies".
It wouldn't bother me one bit.
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beast
2016-07-16T23:16:09Z
As far as changing the names, I've seen two I like...

Washington Warriors and Washington Redhawks. (There is also Washington Renegades, but I can't call them the renegades if they're conforming).


Some possible logos.

Washington Redhawks

Washington Redhawks
Redhawks
Redhawks
Redhawks
Redhawks
Redhawks

Washington Warriors
washington warriors
washington warriors
washington warriors
washington warriors
washington warriors

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beast
2016-07-17T00:24:39Z
Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 

I'm sorry, which one of those other ones is a racial epithet? There would be a difference between a team called "Zulu Warriors" and one called the "Darkies".



I agree with your point about racial name aspect... at least if this is truly about a racial term.

But I believe the leaders of the change the Redskins name movement through the many different legal moves, have publicly gone on record saying the Redskins are just the first step in the movement... and that all the Native American mascots are to follow as they are offensive to them.

They went into detail against the Cleveland Indians mascot and fans in Kansas City wearing chief headdress. I believe they said, the headdress is apart of their religion and that fans wearing the headdress were making a mockery out of their religion and their ancestors, as well as all Native American mascots. And that their goal is to stop this "mockery" of their culture.

With the leaders of the moment openly admitting this, I feel like it's proof that they are NOT going after the Redskins for the racial name, but that they're just going after the Redskins FIRST, because they have been deemed the easiest target and the one they can get the most to rally for.... and they're attempting to just use it to build success before attempting to go after the others harder. Therefore this movement is NOT about any one term. The movement is about a culture being offending that a different culture is using their culture as a mascot... and they're using the term to gain followers/momentum in a larger attempt.


Also on a interesting (but maybe unrelated) side note: some sources have credit the original redskins term to the Delaware Indian Tribe, which would use red face and body paints. This is interesting because the Delaware tribe was located southeast New York, eastern Pennsylvania, all of New Jersey, most of Delaware and some small parts of Maryland... point being, it's pretty dang close to Washington. Of course it's also important to note that the Redskins team started in Boston. But if the change the name moment is citing negative history events (which they are), it should be noted about the historical tribes that were called the Redskins in that general area as well.


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And in another side note: P.E.T.A. wants the Packers to change their name because it was dated, offensive and that the Green Bay team should keep with the times and change their name either to Green Bay Pickers or Green Bay Six-Packers. And the Packers refused to change their name because of "tradition", just like the Redskins are now.

But PETA asserts that some traditions need to change, pointing out that when the Packers were named, back in 1919, women were denied the right to vote and Jim Crowe ruled the South.

"‘Tradition’ has never been a valid excuse for abuse," says PETA spokesperson and native Wisconsinite Sean Gifford. "Teams change their names for monetary reasons, when they are sold or move to another city. Why not change a name for ethical reasons? The Washington Wizards (formerly the Bullets) slam-dunked a bad name into the trash bin—now it’s Green Bay’s turn."




Anyways, overall... I have no problem with saying that the term Redskins has been used in racist ways... but I strongest believe that is not the manor in which the Washington names is using it. Though I don't care if it is changed... but my biggest problem is that often times when an inch is given, the other side attempts to take a mile... and I feel like that certainly the case here based on the movement leaders own comments, and I feel like they'll take their inch and try to go way too far the other way with it.
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Cheesey
2016-07-17T22:39:52Z
You can't use "warriors" as that has already been deemed offensive.
Marquette universary changed their name to "Eagles" because of it.
Political correctness=liberal lunacy.
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beast
2016-07-18T00:37:12Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

You can't use "warriors" as that has already been deemed offensive.
Marquette universary changed their name to "Eagles" because of it.
Political correctness=liberal lunacy.



More proof, that it's not about the term "Redskin" and is all about the Native American mascot.

And so Redhawks it is

Originally Posted by: beast 


Washington Redhawks

Redhawks
Redhawks
Redhawks
Redhawks




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Smokey
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2016-07-21T21:59:21Z
What about "Renegades" ?


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2016-07-22T17:47:18Z
What about Pigskins? Keep the "skins" nickname, and add a tribute to their most fearsome O-line in team history? A sweet Razorback Hog design with football laces would be pretty cool too!
PackFanWithTwins
2016-07-22T19:05:38Z
Washington (DrunkWelfareCasinoOperators).

Screw this political correct BS.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
Smokey
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2016-07-22T20:06:35Z
Originally Posted by: FLORIDA PACKER88 

What about Pigskins? Keep the "skins" nickname, and add a tribute to their most fearsome O-line in team history? A sweet Razorback Hog design with football laces would be pretty cool too!



Naming a football team in Washington D.C. after Swine is an insult to Pork ! [nohair]


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beast
2016-07-22T20:32:17Z
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

What about "Renegades" ?


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The Renegades name does sound kind of cool, but if they're conforming to pressures and suggesting that they're being a renegade, then it looks pretty horrible... especially when their own fans that want to keep the name. Just seems like lying... and if they're going to change the name, they need to keep as many fans as possible happy.

Originally Posted by: FLORIDA PACKER88 

What about Pigskins? Keep the "skins" nickname, and add a tribute to their most fearsome O-line in team history? A sweet Razorback Hog design with football laces would be pretty cool too!



That's a very interesting take.

They could with

  • Washington Pigskins
  • Washington Hogs
  • Washington Warthogs
  • Washington War Pigs
  • Washington Skins


I like Hogs the most... but I think Skins would give them the most options as they could (at least attempt) that they're now open it up to all kind of skins... from human to pigs to potato skins.

pigskins

hogs

potato skins

Mr. Potato Skins

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wpr
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2016-07-22T22:39:06Z
Just don't make it the foreskins beast even if their fans are a bunch of dicks.
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DakotaT
2016-07-22T23:39:33Z
Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 

Washington (DrunkWelfareCasinoOperators).

Screw this political correct BS.



Just like changing your name from Twins to Twisted. How nice for you to be a sperm lottery winner.
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DakotaT
2016-07-22T23:40:33Z
What are the cities around the country with Native American names going to do when that veil gets pierced?
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Smokey
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2016-07-23T00:39:32Z
Originally Posted by: wpr 

Just don't make it the foreskins beast even if their fans are a bunch of dicks.



While attacking other NFL Teams and Cities is a favorite sport in this forum, attacking Fans of any team is in my opinion juvenile at best. Can you, WPR , justify bitch slapping the Washington Fans. Green Bay will be playing there this season and I expect the Packers will be treated as well or better there than any other city they visit this season.

There are some cities with poor fan records like Philadelphia or Cleveland, but I don't believe Washington's fans have ever been grouped with them. If you have had a bad experience in Detroit or Minnesota then reference it when you complain about their fans. In the mean time, having fun with Washington's Team name is this threads purpose , crossing the line is not. [boxing] [nono]

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