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Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:31:24 AM(UTC)
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The Packers have a few different options for how to go about replacing middle linebacker Nick Barnett for this Sunday's game, but one option apparently received the most attention on Wednesday.

During the jog-through portion of practice that was open to the media, A.J. Hawk lined up in Barnett's middle linebacker spot with Brandon Chillar working with the first unit at Hawk's usual weak-side position. Brady Poppinga remained in his normal strong-side spot.

But the defense is preparing for other scenarios as well. Head Coach Mike McCarthy said all the linebackers, including Desmond Bishop - who replaced Barnett during the second half last Sunday after Barnett tore the ACL in his knee, ending his season - are being double-trained at the inside and outside spots this week to give the unit the most flexibility for any adjustments that are needed.

"A.J. is getting a lot of work there, and we just have to be ready just to be able to move in and out of our different personnel groups," McCarthy said.

If Hawk ultimately is the choice in the middle, he says it won't be that big a change for him. In college at Ohio State, he played both inside and outside at linebacker, and he said being in the middle simply presents a new way to see the play unfold.

"It's just kind of seeing the game from a little different perspective, being in the middle of the field and running inside-out to all the plays instead of chasing things from the backside at the 'will' position a lot," Hawk said. "I think it just takes a little bit of work to keep that view, the different perspective of the game and to feel how they're trying to attack you and do things.

"It's tough losing a guy like Nick that's been doing it for so long here. That's why all of us as linebackers here need to make sure we step up and pick up the slack for him."

In addition to being the fiery, emotional leader of the defense, Barnett also wore the new helmet speaker to communicate the calls from defensive coordinator Bob Sanders to the huddle. Hawk took over wearing the helmet speaker after Barnett went down last week, and he expects to have that responsibility again.

"The last couple games, you always have to have backup guy for the speaker, and that was me," Hawk said. "Last week was the first time I had to do it, but it was fine. I enjoyed it. I like being in there in control of the huddle, calling the defense. It keeps you in the game."

All the cross-training going on with the core linebacking group will give the defense options to cover any other substitution or injury-related scenarios.

Chillar was a late scratch from the active gameday roster last week when a shoulder problem flared up on him the night before the game. He was a full participant in practice on Wednesday, but the workout was not in pads, whereas Thursday's practice is scheduled to be.

If Chillar is unable to play once again, the defense would have the choice of keeping Hawk in the middle and starting Bishop on the weak side, or moving Hawk back to the weak side and starting Bishop in Barnett's place. Or possibly moving Poppinga to a new spot if needed.

"All of us linebackers have rotated through all three positions," Hawk said. "In mini-camp, OTAs, even during the season we'll do that. It's not anything I haven't seen or any of the linebackers haven't seen. It's just all about getting reps and getting comfortable."

Bishop said it appears once again he'll need to be the linebacker ready-in-waiting. He made one big play in Barnett's place last Sunday, stripping the ball from running back Adrian Peterson on a fourth-and-1 midway through the fourth quarter.

But his two mistakes overshadowed that. On his first snap, he overran running back Chester Taylor in the flat on his 47-yard catch-and-run for a touchdown. And late in the game, he didn't fill the run gap on Peterson's game-winning 29-yard TD run.

Bishop can't help but wonder if he'd be the clear-cut choice to fill Barnett's shoes had he not made those errors, but he's going to get ready to play at any spot, regardless.

"You can't think like that, but then again, it's in the back of my mind," Bishop said. "If those two plays would have went the way I wanted them to, then maybe they might have had a little more confidence in me. But you can't go back. Only look forward."

That's what the defense as a whole is doing, both with respect to replacing Barnett and trying to stop the run.

With the team as healthy as it could be following the bye week, the hope was the run defense would improve, but instead Tennessee and Minnesota combined for 398 rushing yards in the last two games.

While this week's opponent, the Chicago Bears, rank 15th in rushing offense and aren't as highly touted in that department as the Titans (6th) and Vikings (5th) are, rookie running back Matt Fort is still eighth in the league in rushing yards with 713. So the Packers, and their new linebacker alignment, expect to see plenty of the former Tulane star on Sunday.

"Once you've shown something on film that you haven't done real well, I think a team should come in and try to test that and see if you've cleaned it up and if you can stop it," Hawk said. "We haven't been stopping the run like we should, so we expect everyone to test us."

The new linebacker configuration coming Sunday is perhaps a test run for the remainder of the season. With seven games left, replacing Barnett is a long-term proposition, but the group currently assembled is trying to prevent it from being even a short-term liability.

"It gives other guys an opportunity to step up," defensive end Aaron Kampman said. "I've said all along I think linebacker is one of our greatest positions of depth, and now we get a chance to really reflect that and show that this Sunday."
Since69  
#2 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:40:26 AM(UTC)
Good. Exactly what I would have done. If it works well enough, it makes Barnett expendable in the offseason, although what I'd really prefer is for Hawk to stay in the middle (where he belongs) and for Nick to play Will (where he belongs)...
TheEngineer  
#3 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:37:41 AM(UTC)
Barnett, expendable!? Sure, he's had a bit of a lousy 08, but he's been a real solid MLB for us ever since his drafting.

I recall Barnett saying a few years ago that either he's the MLB or nothing, or something to that regard.
yooperfan  
#4 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:27:17 AM(UTC)
Let's hope Hawk can play the middle better than he has played the outside.
He has been a big disappointment to me so far this year.
gakko  
#5 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:01:38 AM(UTC)
before the draft some said Hawk should be an MLB in the NFL because he lacks the straight line speed you want in an OLB. Hawk mainly stayed outside because Barnett refused to play anything other than MLB. Maybe Hawk will get his groove on in this position.
DanJustDan29  
#6 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:46:12 AM(UTC)
I don't care who is there as long as they get stuff done.


We can always try Korey Hall...

He was a LB in college too...
IronMan  
#7 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:48:40 AM(UTC)
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We can always try Korey Hall...

He was a LB in college too...


Hmmm good point. I didn't think about that. McCarthy said on his show a few weeks ago that they had entertained the idea of using back up offensive linemen to help in the DT rotation.
obi1  
#8 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:13:00 PM(UTC)
Wow, They DO listen to me don't they?

I posted that they should move Hawk to the middle 2 days ago and look...

All right, where's my cookie?
bakler5  
#9 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:17:11 PM(UTC)
Do you think secretly Ted Thompson wants either Hawk or Bishop, whomever gets the nod, to play extremely well just to prove to Barnett that maybe olb is the best spot for him? I mean Barnett has always been one of my favorite players, but anyone who watches on a regular basis knows that no matter what he cannot shed blocks for the life of him.
Pack93z  
#10 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:54:39 PM(UTC)
I think of the two options.. unless Hawk comes to life at the Mike.. Bishop is the better choice.. Hawk is playing reactionary and not on the attack.

Maybe this change will bring him to life.. but if he plays the same style as he did outside.. no way this is the better choice in my opinion.

Hawk started strong this year and has faded.. much like Barnett.. maybe shaking things up will spark him.. we shall see.

Does this combination gives us the most talent and experience on the field.. yes, but a reactionary MLB will not help this run game improve..
Zero2Cool  
#11 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:52:23 PM(UTC)
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before the draft some said Hawk should be an MLB in the NFL because he lacks the straight line speed you want in an OLB. Hawk mainly stayed outside because Barnett refused to play anything other than MLB. Maybe Hawk will get his groove on in this position.


Really? Since when has Barnett refused to switch positions? I've heard otherwise and read contradicting statements to that. or so I thought. Please, refresh my memory here.
minnypacker  
#12 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:06:27 PM(UTC)
He might be a little small, but I think MLB is where we might see the real AJ Hawk come to life. He has struggled a bit in the transition to OLB and Chillar certainly has played well in spurts. I would love to see Hawk as MLB and Barnett as the SSLB with Chllar at WSLB - Next season :)
Pack93z  
#13 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:13:48 PM(UTC)
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He might be a little small, but I think MLB is where we might see the real AJ Hawk come to life. He has struggled a bit in the transition to OLB and Chillar certainly has played well in spurts. I would love to see Hawk as MLB and Barnett as the SSLB with Chllar at WSLB - Next season :)


Transition to OLB?

Hawk played the outside his entire career at OSU.. some experience at the MLB.
bakler5  
#14 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:39:28 PM(UTC)
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He might be a little small, but I think MLB is where we might see the real AJ Hawk come to life. He has struggled a bit in the transition to OLB and Chillar certainly has played well in spurts. I would love to see Hawk as MLB and Barnett as the SSLB with Chllar at WSLB - Next season :)


Transition to OLB?

Hawk played the outside his entire career at OSU.. no experience at the MLB.


Uh I am almost positive he played mainly inside backer at OSU. I am trying to find out for sure via my good pal google, but pretty sure man.

EDIT- I guess he did play mainly OLB but started off at ILB. I guess when i watched him in college he was every where and seemed like he was the MLB.
Pack93z  
#15 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:45:29 PM(UTC)
Save ya a little time.. Here..

MSN engine must be faster. :lol: Off topic.. anything to do with google.. I am not. ;)

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Hawk never played in the middle in college at Ohio State and all 41 of his career regular-season NFL games have been played at will. He has rotated through the position during minicamp and training camp practices, however.

"Playing 'mike,' it's different," Hawk said after taking most of the practice snaps Wednesday in the middle. "When it comes down to it, it's all just still football. ... As linebackers, we try to tackle the guy with the ball. So that's my goal."
Pack93z  
#16 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:48:46 PM(UTC)
Same article.. Hawk will don the mike from the sideline as well.

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Hawk and Barnett had been the two defensive players with radio headsets in their helmets, so Hawk, who took over the defensive play-calling duties from Barnett after the injury, expects to do so again against the Bears.
hosemeoff  
#17 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:15:20 PM(UTC)
I like the move from a season standpoint, but it will give us two guys playing "new" positions for this crucial bears game. I expect some bad plays from missed assigniments/out of position, but I also expect some big plays since it will give the bears a slightly different defense to prepare for (mainly having Poppinga and Chillar in at the same time). Hopefully the good play/bad play ratio will be a mirror image of Bishop's game last week, i.e. 2 to 1. Either way, I expect heaps of over-reaction on the boards.
TheEngineer  
#18 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:25:30 PM(UTC)
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before the draft some said Hawk should be an MLB in the NFL because he lacks the straight line speed you want in an OLB. Hawk mainly stayed outside because Barnett refused to play anything other than MLB. Maybe Hawk will get his groove on in this position.


Really? Since when has Barnett refused to switch positions? I've heard otherwise and read contradicting statements to that. or so I thought. Please, refresh my memory here.


I recall Barnett saying something like that also. I think it may have been around the time Hawk was drafted, but I don't really remember. The impression I got was that he wasn't willing to give up his MLB spot, or if he did, he's leaving. But maybe times have changed since then with more recent interviews.
nathaniel  
#19 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 1:29:34 PM(UTC)
I miss Hodge.
Pack93z  
#20 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 2:00:08 PM(UTC)
Yes Barnett objected to moving out of the middle.. I think it was right around Ted's arrive or MM's... I believe it was his contract year that he was vocal about it.. not wanting his play to be effected by the move.

Barnett with his speed.. would make a hell of a Wil backer.. plus after a little while I truly believe his numbers would reflect the positive effects of moving outside...
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