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Pack93z  
#1 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 2:36:33 PM(UTC)
Looks like the coaching staff might have become a little urgent in nature this week.. that speaks well for the chances of improvement this coming Sunday.

Note the last sentence.. I am thinking Bishop is going to play more than people think.. personally I think that is a damn good thing.. he may make a mistake, but he brings a level of aggressiveness we have been lacking.. Hawk and Barnett have been playing tentative ball the last 6 to 8 weeks or so... Hawk I think is still hurting and Barnett.. whom knows. Maybe he misses his nightclub. :lol:

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/314302

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Packers notes: Driven to build continuity, Clifton practices again
By JASON WILDE
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jwilde@madison.com

GREEN BAY Mark Tauscher loves to tease his buddy and fellow Green Bay Packers veteran offensive tackle Chad Clifton about being "The Big Lamborghini," as Tauscher dubbed him a few years back.

The moniker came from Clifton's limited practice time caused by terminally balky knees with Tauscher likening it to how a Lamborghini owner wouldn't take his prized vehicle out for anything but a Sunday drive.

But after a disappointing effort against Minnesota's Jared Allen in last Sunday's loss to the Vikings, the Packers are driving their Lamborghini to the grocery store, to pick up the kids from school and any other daily errand they can think of.

For the second straight day, Clifton was a full participant in practice Thursday, marking the first time this season he's taken his full complement of reps in individual drills as well as 11-on-11 on both Wednesday and Thursday.

Against the Vikings, Clifton allowed a sack to Allen that resulted in a safety, indirectly caused a second sack, gave up a pressure to Allen and missed a key back-side block on a running play late in the game.

"We need a little more continuity. That's one of the things we feel like has maybe slowed us down a little bit," offensive coordinator Joe Philbin said when asked if Clifton's extra practice work was the direct result of his play against Minnesota. "We want to be smart, obviously. We're not going to grind the guy so he's taken out in an ambulance out to the field on Sunday so he can play. But continuity is important, and we believe in practice."

Asked to assess Clifton's season, offensive line coach James Campen said, "I think he's played well at times, and at times he hasn't played so well. Just like every guy on that line. There's been times they've played well and there's times they have not played well. He had a couple plays against Allen I'm sure he'd love to have back."

While Philbin was careful in his criticism of Clifton's performance against the Vikings "I don't think it was a, 'My God, he couldn't do anything right' type of game," Philbin said the coaches clearly believe Clifton needs more practice time.

Campen said Clifton has tried to make up for missed snaps with extra film study, "footwork in low-impact situations" such as the early-practice jog-throughs, and watching film of practices in which left guard Daryn Colledge fills in for him to get mental reps.

"But nothing ever replaces actual practice," Campen said. "Never will."

Watching like a Hawk

Linebackers coach Winston Moss said that new starting middle linebacker A.J. Hawk whom the coaches still won't officially name as injured starter Nick Barnett's replacement has "looked good" at the position in practice.

Hawk is moving over from his customary will linebacker spot.

"From a player's standpoint, he's just going to have to get comfortable and get ready to make plays," Moss said. "From a scheme standpoint, you can teach a guy, 'Hey, if you get this look, this is your responsibility.' That can be coached. He can get all that down on paper. The issue is how quickly can he get comfortable based upon what specifically Chicago's going to give him this week."

The Packers have yet to put Barnett, who is out for the year with a torn ACL in his right knee, on season-ending injured reserve. They'll have a spot on the 53-man roster to fill when they do.

Extra points

Quarterback Aaron Rodgers (shoulder) practiced in full, including individual drills. "He took everything today. I thought that was definitely a good sign," Packers coach Mike McCarthy said. "Hopefully, that's where we are the rest of the season." ... Punt returner Will Blackmon (bruised quadriceps) was back in action on a limited basis. ... Defensive end Jeremy Thompson (groin) was limited in practice and looks unlikely to play Sunday against Chicago. ... The Packers signed defensive tackle Anthony Toribio to the practice squad and released defensive tackle Fred Bledsoe. ... McCarthy said he had yet to decide who'll get the second radio headset in his helmet Sunday, in addition to Hawk. "That's a good question," he said. "Probably Desmond (Bishop) or one of the (other) linebackers. (Safety) Nick Collins has done it. It could be A.J. and Nick."
Pack93z  
#2 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 3:08:32 PM(UTC)
I seriously wonder why they are dragging their feet on the Barnett IR move?

Is there a chance he can come back this year or are they just waiting post Bears game to see how the combo of Hawk and Bishop do in the middle.. then make a move to add more Dline or Oline help?

Curious.
digsthepack  
#3 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 3:19:06 PM(UTC)
This defense needs a "Wayne Simmons" type of personality injection. I want to see some nasty, physical play out of this defense....make opponents fear contact.
dfosterf  
#4 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 3:25:21 PM(UTC)
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I seriously wonder why they are dragging their feet on the Barnett IR move?

Is there a chance he can come back this year or are they just waiting post Bears game to see how the combo of Hawk and Bishop do in the middle.. then make a move to add more Dline or Oline help?

Curious.


Excellent questions, especially the dragging the feet on the IR one.

He has a knee, in Press Conderence McCarthyism...
He has an ACL tear, in the rest of world.

http://football.calsci.com/Knees.html
Pack93z  
#5 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 3:26:12 PM(UTC)
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This defense needs a "Wayne Simmons" type of personality injection. I want to see some nasty, physical play out of this defense....make opponents fear contact.


R'member the 49ers game where Simmons just kicked the crap out of the tightends.. damn I need to watch that game again.. that was awesome..

Ball of pissedofness.. Simmons was.. but you need that type at the linebacker spot someplace.. dude could play ball. RIP.
Since69  
#6 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 3:26:24 PM(UTC)
I think Hawk would be better in the middle over the long haul - he seems to me a natural there. He could be the next Nischke.

That's bad news for Jeremy Thompson. Too bad. Our defensive line couldn't get any thinner if it threw up after every meal.

Why haven't we put Nick on IR yet? He's obviously done for the year. Let him heal (and move him to Will in the offseason). Use his roster spot to sign Jeb Terry.
Zero2Cool  
#7 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 3:51:53 PM(UTC)
I believe the reasoning was because McCarthy or Thompson said they feel the team is fairly healthy and putting him on IR isn't something they need to do.


Again, that's just something I think I read or heard in a conference. I'm not positive.
Packnic  
#8 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 4:14:23 PM(UTC)
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This defense needs a "Wayne Simmons" type of personality injection. I want to see some nasty, physical play out of this defense....make opponents fear contact.




i can't say it enough... AARON ROUSE.



and dfosterf.... i know your making a joke, but you do know that its not just Mike McCarthy that says "knee" when talking about an injury... or gives you little to nothing in press conferences.

John Fox here in Carolina is constantly laughed at for saying ..."it is what it is" along with Bill Belicheat and most any coach in the league.


Again, I know you are joking... but a lot of people on this site take Mike McCarthy telling them nothing, personally. They would expect him to get on stage with a model of a knee and explain to each one of them where the tear was and how it was going to be fixed.

the point is... the more details you dole out in pressers... the more info the enemy has to attack you in the game. So when Mike gets up there and says.. yeah Nick Barnett had an MCL tear on his right knee on this play... thats like putting a target on the exact spot for a lineman.



In my opinion... a good coach gives them nothing but takes from them everything.
bozz_2006  
#9 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 4:16:30 PM(UTC)
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This defense needs a "Wayne Simmons" type of personality injection. I want to see some nasty, physical play out of this defense....make opponents fear contact.




i can't say it enough... AARON ROUSE.



that would be all well and good if Rouse was a better player than Collins or Bigby... He isn't.
Pack93z  
#10 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 4:30:13 PM(UTC)
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Again, I know you are joking... but a lot of people on this site take Mike McCarthy telling them nothing, personally.

In my opinion... a good coach gives them nothing but takes from them everything.


No, I take issue when he spews something like, I don't think we have a problem with discipline and mental focus when we have countless presnap penalties each freaking week..

I take issue with what I perceive as a lack of urgency and overall the inability to make the tough calls to correct problems when they recur. Oh, I don't know.. maybe address it in some sort of way other than what has been done up to this point with little improvement in the results.

I happen to agree that dolling out all the issues in a presser isn't exactly the most effective way of answering the fans questions and maintaining that competitive balance in the mean time.. however I don't think defending the players that are repeat offenders is a model for success as well.

See.. this article was intended to answer some of the issues at heart.. like kicking some of the problem spots back onto the practice field..

If IE.. Mike would have stated in the Presser.. one step is to hold people accountable and increase the practice schedule along the offensive line to clear up some of the mental errors and rust.. how is that going to hurt the preparation for the upcoming game?

A simple statement as such, would have shown that they acknowledged the issue, have a remedy in mind, and quieted the fans pissed nature towards "senseless" penalties and fundamental issues..

Simple steps in PR and in the same time.. without calling anyone out.. making sure the players got the message in a public setting from the coach.. no one likes that attention to be brought to themselves with the press looking for culprits.

A different perspective instead of calling out fellow members here.. see even you are a fan of the tactic.. :lol:

Why should Mike McCarthy be immune?
MassPackersFan  
#11 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 4:31:08 PM(UTC)
Bigby isn't up to full speed yet either. He'll be an impact player as we near the end of the season.
Packnic  
#12 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 4:34:58 PM(UTC)
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This defense needs a "Wayne Simmons" type of personality injection. I want to see some nasty, physical play out of this defense....make opponents fear contact.




i can't say it enough... AARON ROUSE.



that would be all well and good if Rouse was a better player than Collins or Bigby... He isn't.


undefeated when Rouse starts.
dfosterf  
#13 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 4:35:45 PM(UTC)
I was only speaking to the injuries. I do get a kick out of his descriptions.
That's why I call them McCarthyisms, and yes, I was joking about it, and will continue to do so. My all time favorite is the dread thought that one of these pressers he's gonna say someone has a "groin"... you do the math.
bozz_2006  
#14 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 4:45:28 PM(UTC)
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This defense needs a "Wayne Simmons" type of personality injection. I want to see some nasty, physical play out of this defense....make opponents fear contact.




i can't say it enough... AARON ROUSE.



that would be all well and good if Rouse was a better player than Collins or Bigby... He isn't.


undefeated when Rouse starts.


You think Rouse should start over Bigby or Collins?
Packnic  
#15 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 4:46:20 PM(UTC)
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If IE.. Mike would have stated in the Presser.. one step is to hold people accountable and increase the practice schedule along the offensive line to clear up some of the mental errors and rust.. how is that going to hurt the preparation for the upcoming game?

A simple statement as such, would have shown that they acknowledged the issue, have a remedy in mind, and quieted the fans pissed nature towards "senseless" penalties and fundamental issues..

Simple steps in PR and in the same time.. without calling anyone out.. making sure the players got the message in a public setting from the coach.. no one likes that attention to be brought to themselves with the press looking for culprits.

A different perspective instead of calling out fellow members here.. see even you are a fan of the tactic.. :lol:

Why should Mike McCarthy be immune?



haha i think we all know that PR isnt this adminstrations strong suit... so you may be asking too much of them.


I just wanted to make sure everyone understood why they get so little from PC's. its not personal.. i mean he isn't hiding it from the Packer fans or players... but from people who would use the information to do us harm . (that paragraph feels like we are having a discussion on the Patriot Act)

and Mike McCarthy should not be immune to anything he deserves. Mike Holmgren lost a couple back to back games too due to poor performances... but that didn't make him a bad coach. I am not saying Mike has been perfect... because he hasn't he has made several blunders that i choose not to keep bringing up. But two close losses back to back on the road against tough opponents doesn't mean he isn't getting the job done. It just means he didn't get the job done in those two games.

just making sure we dont live AND die in the moment.
Packnic  
#16 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 4:47:55 PM(UTC)
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I was only speaking to the injuries. I do get a kick out of his descriptions.
That's why I call them McCarthyisms, and yes, I was joking about it, and will continue to do so. My all time favorite is the dread thought that one of these pressers he's gonna say someone has a "groin"... you do the math.



I've got a groin.
Pack93z  
#17 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 4:53:07 PM(UTC)
Packnic.. agreed.. that really was the point of the article.. for as much grief that I shot at Mike McCarthy this week and post presser.. he took a few steps that hadn't been done in previous weeks or seasons looking for a solution.

IE.. trying to cure what is killing us.. those, right there are the things I am looking for... pushing the players to elevate their play.

Personally a 1st series benching of say.. hmm Colledge would firm up some faith as well.. remember last year when they implied that Colledge's starting job was at stake a point last season.. an magically he was focused the next couple of games.. we don't see that here.. same lineup, same routine.. same results.

But again.. this article.. albeit a little nugget shows that they are starting to show focus on problem areas.. I hope those changes are 10 fold behind closed doors.. things we won't see until Sunday.
Packnic  
#18 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 4:57:46 PM(UTC)
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This defense needs a "Wayne Simmons" type of personality injection. I want to see some nasty, physical play out of this defense....make opponents fear contact.




i can't say it enough... AARON ROUSE.



that would be all well and good if Rouse was a better player than Collins or Bigby... He isn't.


undefeated when Rouse starts.


You think Rouse should start over Bigby or Collins?



I have faith in the coaching staff to make the right decisions, as its panned out in the past.

But Rouse started two games and brought 3 things I havent seen yet from Bigby since returning. 1. Hard physical play 2. Big game changing plays and 3. attitude. the statement from Digs was... we need some nasty and some physical. When Aaron Rouse was in the game.. we got it. I haven't seen that from Bigby.

Obviously the coaching staff disagrees so I mean ...you win... but I just think that Rouse comes to play on Sunday and brings the pain with him and it shows.
dfosterf  
#19 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 5:01:55 PM(UTC)
Looks like my knee injury link got skipped over. I think it's an excellent link, and can actually answer questions many fans might have. The author is a fellow packer fan that lives on another message board... He is Nope-checked-- physicist.

Bottom line, cut to the chase for those too occupied to go back and read it... Barnett done for the year, in case there was a question about it, could be viewed as one of those answers sought in the presser.
bozz_2006  
#20 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2008 5:02:52 PM(UTC)
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This defense needs a "Wayne Simmons" type of personality injection. I want to see some nasty, physical play out of this defense....make opponents fear contact.




i can't say it enough... AARON ROUSE.



that would be all well and good if Rouse was a better player than Collins or Bigby... He isn't.


undefeated when Rouse starts.


You think Rouse should start over Bigby or Collins?



I have faith in the coaching staff to make the right decisions, as its panned out in the past.

But Rouse started two games and brought 3 things I havent seen yet from Bigby since returning. 1. Hard physical play 2. Big game changing plays and 3. attitude. the statement from Digs was... we need some nasty and some physical. When Aaron Rouse was in the game.. we got it. I haven't seen that from Bigby.

Obviously the coaching staff disagrees so I mean ...you win... but I just think that Rouse comes to play on Sunday and brings the pain with him and it shows.


I like yer style! +1
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