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PackFanWithTwins  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, April 19, 2017 6:18:22 AM(UTC)
Well deserved. Really couldn't ask much more of a player no matter what number they were drafted as. Leading Tackler in team history, was available for every game while in a Packer uniform. Did the dirty work to allow those around him to make the plays and get the highlights.

Most under appreciated Packers player of my lifetime.


AJ Hawk to Retire as Packer
FLORIDA PACKER88  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, April 19, 2017 8:07:45 AM(UTC)
Couldn't have said it better myself!!!! AJ should see his name in the Packer Hall of fame. Congrats and welcome back!
wpr  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, April 19, 2017 2:18:49 PM(UTC)
Good for AJ. I am neither in love with him nor one of his many haters. It was good for him that he came out in a very weak draft but unfortunate for the Packers who will hopefully never select 5th again.
Smokey  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, April 19, 2017 2:30:35 PM(UTC)
So A.J.Hawk is to return and retire as a Packer. I'd be very interested in the mechanics of just how that will take place. Will he get a 1 day contract , followed by a home game in GB where he will officially retire.

#50 has my full respect and I support this action . ThumpUp










Cheers!
wpr  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, April 19, 2017 2:33:38 PM(UTC)
Smokey said: Go to Quoted Post
So A.J.Hawk is to return and retire as a Packer. I'd be very interested in the mechanics of just how that will take place. Will he get a 1 day contract , followed by a home game in GB where he will officially retire.

#50 has my full respect and I support this action . ThumpUp










Cheers!



My guess is he will sign one day in the preseason and then retire the next. They only have 90 slots available.
FLORIDA PACKER88  
#6 Posted : Thursday, April 20, 2017 4:29:45 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
My guess is he will sign one day in the preseason and then retire the next. They only have 90 slots available.


Yea these contracts are largely ceremonial. His papers are will be filed and he'll be officially on the retired list.

I don't think he'll get much pomp and circumstance, but I bet he'll get some halftime mentions this season or next.
wpr  
#7 Posted : Thursday, April 20, 2017 4:45:22 AM(UTC)
FLORIDA PACKER88 said: Go to Quoted Post
Yea these contracts are largely ceremonial. His papers are will be filed and he'll be officially on the retired list.

I don't think he'll get much pomp and circumstance, but I bet he'll get some halftime mentions this season or next.


They trot the Packer Alumni out the first couple of games. He will be in that group.
yooperfan  
#8 Posted : Thursday, April 20, 2017 5:13:39 AM(UTC)
Congratulations and thank you to A.J. Hawk.
I'm sure he will step onto the "frozen tundra" at least two more times.
Once to honor his retirement as a Green Bay Packer, and once to honor him as he is inducted into the Packers Hall of Fame.
sschind  
#9 Posted : Thursday, April 20, 2017 2:43:57 PM(UTC)
If he had been drafted outside the top 10 I think most people would be calling it a good solid pick. The fact that everyone was expecting so much more out of him as a #5 overall pick is unfortunate for him.

Say what you will about his performance there were not many people who showed up and gave it their all like he did week after week and he took took it in the wallet a couple of times to stay in Green Bay.

Sure I would have liked to have seen a lot more out of him but I'm perfectly fine with the career he had here.
FLORIDA PACKER88  
#10 Posted : Friday, April 21, 2017 4:09:41 AM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
If he had been drafted outside the top 10 I think most people would be calling it a good solid pick. The fact that everyone was expecting so much more out of him as a #5 overall pick is unfortunate for him.

Say what you will about his performance there were not many people who showed up and gave it their all like he did week after week and he took took it in the wallet a couple of times to stay in Green Bay.

Sure I would have liked to have seen a lot more out of him but I'm perfectly fine with the career he had here.


Especially given how key his play calling and solidification of the defense was during our 2010 run.
Rockmolder  
#11 Posted : Friday, April 28, 2017 6:55:54 AM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
If he had been drafted outside the top 10 I think most people would be calling it a good solid pick. The fact that everyone was expecting so much more out of him as a #5 overall pick is unfortunate for him.

Say what you will about his performance there were not many people who showed up and gave it their all like he did week after week and he took took it in the wallet a couple of times to stay in Green Bay.

Sure I would have liked to have seen a lot more out of him but I'm perfectly fine with the career he had here.


I never really get that sentiment. If he was drafted in the 7th round, people would've called it an amazing pick, but he wasn't. He was drafted at a prime spot for impact players and failed to deliver. He had a solid career, but didn't deliver what the Pack hoped to get out of him.

That said, I agree that he was a good player for the Packers. His production here throughout his GB career is impressive and well worthy of a retirement contract.
wpr  
#12 Posted : Friday, April 28, 2017 9:12:43 AM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
I never really get that sentiment. If he was drafted in the 7th round, people would've called it an amazing pick, but he wasn't. He was drafted at a prime spot for impact players and failed to deliver. He had a solid career, but didn't deliver what the Pack hoped to get out of him.

That said, I agree that he was a good player for the Packers. His production here throughout his GB career is impressive and well worthy of a retirement contract.


I think 2006 was a weaker class than other years. If Hawk was in most other classes he wouldn't have been a "Top 10" candidate. Teddy went with the position of need instead of BPA. At the time I figured Hawk was a no lose pick. It was a safe pick.
PackFanWithTwins  
#13 Posted : Friday, April 28, 2017 9:15:34 AM(UTC)
I never understand how anchoring the defense for 9 years, becoming the teams leading tackler in history, and being available for every game during his time on the team is failing to deliver.

Rockmolder  
#14 Posted : Friday, April 28, 2017 1:34:41 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
I never understand how anchoring the defense for 9 years, becoming the teams leading tackler in history, and being available for every game during his time on the team is failing to deliver.



Because when you buy an Audi at a cardealer for $40.000, you expect to get a high-end machine. If they then deliver a Suzuki SX4 to your house, you're going to be dissapointed regardless of how well it holds up for the car that it is.

Again, I'm not saying Hawk was a bad player. He was just a very average MLB/ILB. Dependable, with very few flashes of the guy he was at Ohio State, but a guy that did always play his heart out for us.

Also, I'm not that big a fan of longevity records.

With all due respect for Donald Driver, who was an excellent player and person, he's nowhere close to Sterling Sharpe or James Lofton in skill. A guy like Emmitt Smith looks average compared to Barry Sanders, skillwise.

A lack of longevity and availability is a big problem and there's something to be said about availability, but just being available is a feat a lot of players can do.
PackFanWithTwins  
#15 Posted : Monday, May 1, 2017 6:35:54 AM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
Because when you buy an Audi at a cardealer for $40.000, you expect to get a high-end machine. If they then deliver a Suzuki SX4 to your house, you're going to be dissapointed regardless of how well it holds up for the car that it is.

Again, I'm not saying Hawk was a bad player. He was just a very average MLB/ILB. Dependable, with very few flashes of the guy he was at Ohio State, but a guy that did always play his heart out for us.

Also, I'm not that big a fan of longevity records.

With all due respect for Donald Driver, who was an excellent player and person, he's nowhere close to Sterling Sharpe or James Lofton in skill. A guy like Emmitt Smith looks average compared to Barry Sanders, skillwise.

A lack of longevity and availability is a big problem and there's something to be said about availability, but just being available is a feat a lot of players can do.


He was exactly what he was portrayed as during that draft. The safest pick, the most NFL ready, Blue collar. Its the people who have inflated what the expectations were.
wpr  
#16 Posted : Monday, May 1, 2017 8:02:55 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
He was exactly what he was portrayed as during that draft. The safest pick, the most NFL ready, Blue collar. Its the people who have inflated what the expectations were.


The inflation factor comes from where he was selected. People always hope that a #5 will be HoF- ish. If nothing else, the Hall of the pretty darn good. How many times did people complain that Hawk made the tackle but it was 6-7 yards down field? Some of that is on him and his pursuit angle. Some of it because he is a LBer not a DT.
PackFanWithTwins  
#17 Posted : Monday, May 1, 2017 8:59:50 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
The inflation factor comes from where he was selected. People always hope that a #5 will be HoF- ish. If nothing else, the Hall of the pretty darn good. How many times did people complain that Hawk made the tackle but it was 6-7 yards down field? Some of that is on him and his pursuit angle. Some of it because he is a LBer not a DT.


I see that but don't agree with the idea. Early in the draft like that, I see different types of players. We see players picked who are rough but have a high ceiling of potential, and we see players who are "NFL Ready". AJ was the nfl ready type. But it was also pretty well said that he wasn't going to be the guy who comes in and gets drastically better. Heck he wasn't even drafted to be the leader of the defense because we already had that in Nick Barnett. He ended up becoming that after changing defenses.
Rockmolder  
#18 Posted : Saturday, May 6, 2017 4:12:48 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
He was exactly what he was portrayed as during that draft. The safest pick, the most NFL ready, Blue collar. Its the people who have inflated what the expectations were.


There's no way on this earth that any general manager in the NFL would have pulled the trigger at 5th overall if the scouting report said that AJ Hawk would become what he eventually did become in the NFL. Especially not at the position he played.

I remember reading scouting reports about him being the best player in the draft after Reggie Bush. The safest pick to make the HOF. Okay, those were a bit overboard, but I certainly didn't see a single scouting report that Hawk would turn into way more of a reactionary player with seemingly lesser instinct than he had in college.

Hawk turned out to be a decent and dependable player, but I just can't see why anyone would think that we got what we expected at pick 5.

And if you mean scouts, GMs, fans and everyone else by the people, I very much agree with you, but I don't very much see your point. That's pretty much a statement that rings true of every single player ever drafted.

EDIT: I have a hard time finding proper scouting reports, but this article gives a decent feel for the opinion about Hawk at the time.
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