The 2017 GB Defense· Page 2

beast
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6 years ago

Beast , you funny ! [rofl]
You can post about my offering , but you can't produce your own complete line-up ? [wtf]
Impress us ! [boxing]

Originally Posted by: Smokey

😕 I already posted about my own complete defensive line-up above... I guess some need it more than once 👍

Most NFL teams (including the Packers) run nickel defense about 80% of the time. And base and dime are run about 10% each... so if I were to make a list of starters it would be of a nickel defense (which teams don't do, because the NFL is demanding teams oversimplify for the fans).

My guess for starters

OLB/DE - Nick Perry
DT - Kenny Clark
DT - Mike Daniels
OLB/DE - Clay Matthews

ILB - Jake Ryan
ILB - Blake Martinez
Slot DB - Damarious Randall

CB - Davon House
CB - LaDarius Gunter
S - Morgan Burnett
S - Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

* I think the Packers very well could mix and match the DBs to get the best match-ups based on the offensive team they're playing. Which includes most of the CBs and using a S in the slot DB role as well.

Originally Posted by: beast

It was hard to leave ILB Joe Thomas out... but there are only two spots, and they seem to like Jake Ryan more and I think Martinez could get even better as a second year player.

CB, for me is a toss up.. and I think it will depend on who the WR match-up is.. and how they played in practice that week.

I also think Brice could be at SS and Burnett at slot... as well as some roles with Josh Jones at the slot in a LB role.

nerdmann
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6 years ago

#12

Is Christian Ringo still with the team? I get him and Khyri Thornton mixed up.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Smokey
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6 years ago

#13

My guess for starters

OLB/DE - Nick Perry
DT - Kenny Clark
DT - Mike Daniels
OLB/DE - Clay Matthews

ILB - Jake Ryan
ILB - Blake Martinez
Slot DB - Damarious Randall

CB - Davon House
CB - LaDarius Gunter
S - Morgan Burnett
S - Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

* I think the Packers very well could mix and match the DBs to get the best match-ups based on the offensive team they're playing. Which includes most of the CBs and using a S in the slot DB role as well.

Originally Posted by: beast

A Slot DB instead of 3 down Defensive linemen ? I don't think so .

With Guion in trouble, AGAIN , I believe that GB will either promote a player to starting Nose Tackle or acquire a Free Agent . In addition, Gunter will never beat out Kevin King or even D. Randall for a starting DB spot .

beast
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6 years ago

#14

Originally Posted by: Smokey

😕 You seem kind of late... Kenny Clark is clearly the NT/DT of the future
Also Gunter was the #1 CB last year.

As for slot DB or NT, it depends on which you're looking for... are you looking for the players that you know, play the most as starters... or are you stuck looking at the outdated depth charts that coaches openly admit and joke about is completely different than their own, because the NFL forces teams to over simplify it.

So if we're talking about the depth chart only (and not who plays the most), then it would be
DE: Lowry
NT: Clark
DT: Daniels

All 32 teams run use different forms of the 4-2 nickel package more than any other set-up. The 3-4 and 4-3 are being used less and less as teams pass more and more (in part due to player safety rule changes which are making it harder to run the ball and easier to pass the ball). But for some reason the NFL wants depth charts to be in that format.

Smokey
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6 years ago

#15

1st - Gunter sucked last season and so did Randall , that's why they drafted Kevin King and got House back from FA .

2nd - Daniels is a lock for the D-line, Clark may lead at present for NT , but he will have to still compete for it at TC . The 3rd DL position , IMO , will be openly competed for in TC. . Several candidates come to mind including Lowry for GB's 3-4 Defense .

As for your Defensive Coaching strategy, you may want to send your recommendations to Coach Capers. His 44 years of coaching experience might could utilize your advice. You can maybe teach him the differences between the 3-4 and the 4-3 and the 4-2 Defenses and which ones he should use.

As far as the Coaches are concerned, they will choose who does /does not start at every position based upon their years of experience as professional coaches. [flapper]

beast
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6 years ago

#16

As for your Defensive Coaching strategy, you may want to send your recommendations to Coach Capers. His 44 years of coaching experience might could utilize your advice. You can maybe teach him the differences between the 3-4 and the 4-3 and the 4-2 Defenses and which ones he should use.

Originally Posted by: Smokey

All NFL coaches already know that 4-2 nickel defense has taken over the NFL defenses and that ALL teams use nickel defense more than base. The slot DB position will be on the field more than a 3rd interior DL for every single team.

It's you that doesn't seem to understand this.

2nd - Daniels is a lock for the D-line, Clark may lead at present for NT , but he will have to still compete for it at TC . The 3rd DL position , IMO , will be openly competed for in TC. . Several candidates come to mind including Lowry for GB's 3-4 Defense .

Originally Posted by: Smokey

What? You didn't even realize who the NTs were... now you're saying the Clark is going to have to compete for the role? Compete with whom?

Smokey
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6 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: Smokey

You questioned who Clark would compete with for the NT spot , I believe I already addressed that point. In addition it is not unusual for Defensive Linemen to change their position on the line. Rickey Jean Francois is , IMO , one of those capable of making the move. Also don't discount Montravius Adams , the 6-4 /305 (R) DT from Auburn U. , he is a future Star in my opinion.

beast
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6 years ago

#18

Originally Posted by: Smokey

No I was questioning who you think will play/compete at NT... after all you put Ringo in your starting lineup and hyping the current rookies as potential starter but discounting the 1st rounder who played well at the position toward the end of the season.

I know what positions guy can play, other than maybe the rookies. If fully healthy, Daniels and Clark are the best two DL and are basically locks... especially if we're talking about the 3-4 (which you are).

Guion, Letroy – NT
Clark, Kenny – DT/NT
Price, Brian – DT/NT

Jean Francois, Ricky – DT/NT/DE
Lowry, Dean – DE/DT

Daniels, Mike – DT
Ringo, Christian – DT
Adams, Montravius – DT/*Rookie
Lunsford, Izaah – *Rookie

Originally Posted by: beast

Adams like Ringo and Daniels is a penetrating gap type player... which is perfect for the DT role. And why do we have all these DT types? Because they use them so much while they're playing in nickel and dime defense and both interior DL at playing DT type roles.

beast
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6 years ago

#19

It's a 5 DB on the field league now... as the passing game has grown and rules have change to help the passing game and hurt the blocking in the running game, it's become a larger and larger passing league with all teams going to a 4-2 front with a slot DB.

Every team is now a 4-2 defense... but the labels has remained even though the NFL are changed.

The 2015 season was the seventh straight year for an increase in the number of defensive snaps in the NFL with five defensive back or more on the field. Per Pro Football Focus here is the percentage of plays in NFL games with five DBs or more on the field in every season since 2008:

2008: 43.4%

2009: 45.1%

2010: 48.8%

2011: 52.5%

2012: 54.4%

2013: 58.3%

2014: 60.3%

2015: 63.4%

cbssports wrote:

Smokey
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6 years ago

#20

Thank you Coach Beast . You will of course keep us , the uninformed up to speed on all Packer/League trends/changes. KC has an opening for a GM by the way.

Is there any other news/information that you would be willing to share with the rest of us ? Perhaps you could explain the keys to reading a Defense or how Aaron Rodgers could get better or the best nutritional diet for a CB .

Please let us know when you walk on the water . [blink]

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