Barfarn
6 years ago

I'm totally puzzled by this continued insistence that Hoyer's agent used this stuff at all? Where is this coming from?

The Packers link to Hoyer came AFTER he'd signed with NE. So, the idea being floated that his agent used it for bargaining is a non starter.

We were interested. Can anyone just deal with that? We weren't interested in him in the sense of Jerod Powers, and he wasn't of interest to backup Hundley. He was of interest because Hundley has been terrible and org sees season slipping away. Org may actually do something if Hundley bombs again tonight. Hello, Romo?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



You're asserting that if you don't know something it doesn't exist. What you know, does not define the limit of knowledge.

If you found out today that GB called TJ Watt to draft him and he lied about being injured so they would not draft him. It would be silly for you to say, TJ was drafted months, there's was no reason to lie. But, this is what exactly you're doing, probably unconsciously, to avoid a fact that doesn't fit your narrative.

The agent rumored TO BELICHEK that GB expressed interest in Hoyer, BEFORE Hoyer signed. It's believable right? The agent doesn't want this to hit the press before the signing because he knew it was obviously false and GB might publicly debunk it to protect their young QB. Then the agent to make up for the loser contract Hoyer signed, leaks to the reporter that his client had more interest than just NE. Then you learned about it later, after the deal was done; just like you would have learned about the TJ watt call AFTER it happened.

And the agent may not have been totally lying, GB probably made a due diligent call to schedule a work out, like they do with dozens of cut players each week.

The fact that Hoyer signed for peanuts in NE PROVES that GB did not have serous interest. If Hoyer got 3 years 24 MIll, 10M guarenteed, GB might have been seriously interested but didn't want to pay 16M for 1 year; or 22M for 2 years.
uffda udfa
6 years ago
Agent would have no reason to rumor anything about Green Bay's interest if it was true.

You do realize Hoyer backed up Brady previously? He also got a 1.5 mil guarantee.

Here's what we do know while you manipulate what we don't... Packers interest was public AFTER Hoyer signed in NE. Who cares if agent privately used Packers interest or not? I don't. The point is that agent used this and released info to jack up price? He didn't do it publicly and we don't even know if he did privately although I would assume Linta did. You're trying to use something that didn't happen publicly and swap it out as if it did for something privately that you can't be sure of.
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Barfarn
6 years ago

Agent would have no reason to rumor anything about Green Bay's interest if it was true.

You do realize Hoyer backed up Brady previously? He also got a 1.5 mil guarantee.

Here's what we do know while you manipulate what we don't... Packers interest was public AFTER Hoyer signed in NE. Who cares if agent privately used Packers interest or not? I don't. The point is that agent used this and released info to jack up price? He didn't do it publicly and we don't even know if he did privately although I would assume Linta did. You're trying to use something that didn't happen publicly and swap it out as if it did for something privately that you can't be sure of.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



This argument is unhinged, uniformed, a pure whack-a-mole.

The $1.5M is probably not guaranteed; because the “guarantee” isn’t paid until 2019. You need the contract. "They say" the only guarenteed money is that that you get up front. Example: Kaepernik’s RECORD SF contract had $61M Guaranteed, much of it paid in later years, and he only got $39M of the amount that was supposedly Guaranteed. This is a game played agents to make it appear they're getting good cash for their clients.

Notwithstanding that, even if it is we’re talking a min salary and 1.5M G over 3 yrs. That is FREAKING PEANUTS! Its almost impossible to pay a QB w/ a pulse less 😂.

Human, sane, honest and mature argument consists of two the sides that can at least agree that Hoyer got paid peanuts and they go from there. But, not your argument, nope; your argument misrepresents the guarantee and purports that 1.5M is a lot.

The rest is 100% worthless to respond to; but I'll just say this on "no reason to rumor anything about Green Bay's interest if it was true." If GB has interest in Hoyer it doesn't help the agent's negotiations w/ NE unless NE knows it. GB doesn't publicly announce their interest; GB doesn't call up Belichek to discuss their plans, so the way NE finds out is the AGENT LEAKS THE INFO hoping the press publishes it.
uffda udfa
6 years ago
Huh? Take a look at the actual salaries instead of just shaming me minus any knowledge. I expect better from you. Your post was completely bereft of any understanding of this situation. Based on what you said, what you said about our backup is hysterical. Ted's dollar store approach after going through this before is beyond alarming.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/brian-hoyer-7035/ 

vs.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/brett-hundley-16873/ 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/joe-callahan-19451/ 


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