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Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:12:23 AM(UTC)
Let's say we win out ...

Green Bay Packers ( 5 - 7 ) [9 - 7]
[ul]W - Houston at Green Bay
W - Green Bay at Jacksonville
W - Green Bay at Chicago
W - Detroit at Green Bay[/ul]
Division 5 - 1



Minnesota Vikings ( 7 - 5 ) [9 - 7]
[ul]W - Minnesota at Detroit
L - Minnesota at Arizona
L - Atlanta at Minnesota
W - NY Giants at Minnesota *[/ul]
Division 4 - 2


Chicago Bears ( 6 - 6 ) [8 - 8]
[ul]W - Jacksonville at Chicago
L -New Orleans at Chicago
L - Green Bay at Chicago
W - Chicago at Houston[/ul]
Division 3 - 3

* Giants will have homefield wrapped up and will rest playerse while Vikings will be fighting for division title


[size=18]TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION[/size]
Two Clubs
[ul]1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss[/ul]

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).

[ul]1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss[/ul]

















During the off season I had us 7 - 5 and going 3 - 1 in these last four games. I still say the best we do is 3 - 1 through these last four games. Obviously, that just won't be enough.
HoustonMatt  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:20:12 AM(UTC)
During the offseason, that game at Jacksonville looked a lot tougher than it does now. I really don't see the Viking going 3-1 over that 4 game span. If we win out, I think we'll get in.
mi_keys  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:20:41 AM(UTC)
4-0 is doable but not likely. We've already crushed two of those teams and the other two just aren't very good but we've been way too inconsistent this year to win out in my opinion. Then again how many of us thought the Pack would win their last 4 two years ago to finish 8-8? If only we can get another turnaround like that.
evad04  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:21:49 AM(UTC)
I don't understand the "not a chance" thing. If we win out (meaning we beat the Bears week 16) and Minnesota goes 2-2, don't we win the division? We're 1-1 heads up against Minnesota, and we'd have a better division.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I mean, it's certainly not likely, but it COULD happen. Thus ... why the "not a chance"?
macbob  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:22:35 AM(UTC)
Zero-

I like your math, but see a couple of problems with your scenario:

1) Having lost 4 out of their last 5, they haven't showed me anything to make me think they can win 4 straight

2) Minn could easily go 3-1 over those last 4, taking either the game at Arizona or the Atlanta game at home (or both, and losing the game to NY)
doddpower  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:50:34 AM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
Let's say we win out ...

Green Bay Packers ( 5 - 7 ) [9 - 7]
[ul]W - Houston at Green Bay
W - Green Bay at Jacksonville
W - Green Bay at Chicago
W - Detroit at Green Bay[/ul]
Division 5 - 1



Minnesota Vikings ( 7 - 5 ) [9 - 7]
[ul]W - Minnesota at Detroit
L - Minnesota at Arizona
L - Atlanta at Minnesota
W - NY Giants at Minnesota *[/ul]
Division 4 - 2


Chicago Bears ( 6 - 6 ) [8 - 8]
[ul]W - Jacksonville at Chicago
L -New Orleans at Chicago
L - Green Bay at Chicago
W - Chicago at Houston[/ul]
Division 3 - 3

* Giants will have homefield wrapped up and will rest playerse while Vikings will be fighting for division title


[size=18]TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION[/size]
Two Clubs
[ul]1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss[/ul]

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).

[ul]1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss[/ul]


During the off season I had us 7 - 5 and going 3 - 1 in these last four games. I still say the best we do is 3 - 1 through these last four games. Obviously, that just won't be enough.



I'm not sure if I get it or not, but if we are tied with the Vikings at 9-7 and we have a better division record . . then wouldn't we have the tie breaker??
cheeseheads123  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:55:37 AM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
I don't understand the "not a chance" thing. If we win out (meaning we beat the Bears week 16) and Minnesota goes 2-2, don't we win the division? We're 1-1 heads up against Minnesota, and we'd have a better division.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I mean, it's certainly not likely, but it COULD happen. Thus ... why the "not a chance"?
If i am reading it right, yes that is correct. If we win out and vikings lose 2. We beat them in the better division record tie breaker. Am i correct?
shield4life  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:04:23 AM(UTC)
Yes everyone if we win out and miny loses 2 games were
bozz_2006  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:33:35 AM(UTC)
NFCN champ, whomever it be, will get their ticket punched for a first round playoff exit.
HoustonMatt  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:41:25 AM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
NFCN champ, whomever it be, will get their ticket punched for a first round playoff exit.


Why? First off, the North winner will have a home game regardless of record. Second, the wild card teams (Carolina/TB/Dallas/Washington/Atalanta) aren't significantly better than Minnesota or GB.

In fact, if Arizona is the third seed, I bet the wild card team would prefer to be the 6th seed rather than the 5th. Traveling to Arizona seems more desirable than playing in the Metrodome or Lambeau in January.
cheeseheads123  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:59:07 AM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
NFCN champ, whomever it be, will get their ticket punched for a first round playoff exit.
Anything can happen in the playoffs.
shield4life  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 4:09:49 AM(UTC)
Packers are top 4-5 teams NFC ... If only they can fix the issues on the d-line (def coord. change) this team would of won 2-3 games more this season easily.

I mean we've got a first year qb ...
Zero2Cool  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 4:19:58 PM(UTC)
The scenario I laid out is in my opinion the best scenario that is the most likely to occur IF we were to get in.


I do not think we will win out though. And I do not think the Vikings will lost more than one game in the last four. Even if they were to split two and two, I don't see us being able to string FOUR games together when we haven't done it at all this year, even if you back up to the pre season.

We can string two, sometimes a third against a crappy team. That's about it.

Unfortunately. I think the damn Vikings are going to get the division. Things are favoring them.
Cheesey  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:36:57 PM(UTC)
As weird as this season has been, who KNOWS what will happen?
Only when we are mathamatically out of it will i give up.
Pack93z  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:38:43 PM(UTC)
This afternoon those chances improved. ;)
Zero2Cool  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:39:20 PM(UTC)
I never said I was giving up, but I'm still pissed about that Titans and games since. That was a negative turning point for our season. We could and SHOULD have won that game. Yeah we beat the Bears blah blah ...
Cheesey  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:41:09 PM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
I never said I was giving up, but I'm still pissed about that Titans and games since. That was a negative turning point for our season. We could and SHOULD have won that game. Yeah we beat the Bears blah blah ...

So am i!
We could be sitting at the top if not for a few screw ups.
But it is what it is.....we can't change it.
Now the Pack HAS to win and HOPE for someone else to help us out.
bozz_2006  
#18 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 9:04:57 PM(UTC)
Roger Goodell helped us out today. Cheap, but it is what it is.
Cheesey  
#19 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 9:07:05 PM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
Roger Goodell helped us out today. Cheap, but it is what it is.

Well....just shows.......you try to break the rules, it might just catch up with you!
bakler5  
#20 Posted : Tuesday, December 2, 2008 9:07:28 PM(UTC)
Us losing to the Panthers may end up helping us in the long run. Say the Giants lose one of the next three games, or even two of the next three, and the Panthers win out. The Giants will need to beat the Vikings to ensure homefield advantage.

edit--- Even better the Giants and Panthers play Week 16. This could turn out to be pretty interesting. That is if the Packers win, if they lose one more its over.
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