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Offline digsthepack  
#1 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 2:05:33 PM(UTC)
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The elimination of Bob Sanders from the payroll. Winners are built on affecting the QB, and we do not do that. Offenses are so well orchestrated that no matter how good the secondary, given time (and we DO give time!!), QBs will eat them up with no pressure. Sanders, while a seemingly decent man, is rigid and lacks the creativity to make do when everything is not perfect. Don't care if we go 4-3 or 3-4, but I want an aggressive, mean, punishing defense....and a couple Wayne Simmons/Mike Douglass type players to stir that concoction. Mike Nolan??

Same with Mike Stock! The Derrick Frost recommendation alone makes this move feasible, but the substantial decline of performance and accountability on coverage is no longer something to be tolerated.

I approve of the job that Ted Thompson has done thus far, very much so. And yes, I agree with moving Favre, who would not make a difference except possibly deny us a future QB had he stuck around. That said, it is time to spend some dough on a havoc-wreaking DL and OL.

I wish that AJ Hawk's play is the result of injury and/or bad scheme/coaching. Never have I seen a player with such promise fade so quickly. My guess is the scheme tries to fit square pegs into round holes.

I wish Mike McCarthy would demand more from players, and if they do not deliver, make a change in who starts. Too often I witness some of our better players playing as dumb as I have ever seen the game played....as evidenced by our penalty count this year.

I wish we would get some road-graders and dump the friggin' ZBS......we are getting beat PHYSICALLY every week along the OL....and I do not believe the ZBS translates well to our late season cold weather games.

Just a start.......
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Offline bozz_2006  
#2 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 2:08:49 PM(UTC)
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as usual, i agree.
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Offline DakotaT  
#3 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 2:31:02 PM(UTC)
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It's a good start Digs.


My Christmas wish:

Mrs. DakotaT would spend less money and obey her husband like the Priest told her to at our wedding ceremony.

I wish for a lights out defense for the Packers!

I wish for politicians at all levels of government who gave a sh!t about average people who get up every day and go to work and pay their taxes.
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Offline Pack93z  
#4 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 2:43:07 PM(UTC)
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I wish for politicians at all levels of government who gave a sh!t about average people who get up every day and go to work and pay their taxes.


Amen..

On topic..

I wish that Barnett is moved outside to take advantage of his speed.. Hawk to be coached up to take advantage of his physical talents.. or should I say get them to be utilized. And a thumping MLB.. whether that be Bishop or whomever that can bring the hammer to the run defense.. hell take him off the field in passing down if you have to..

But I want more plays like Bishop knifing through and dropping a running back in the backfield with a solid wrapped up tackle.. that was a thing of beauty.. how many times did Hawk this year tackle high and get carried down the field for a few?

Fundamentals.. return of solid fundamentals and elimination of mental errors.. lose because they beat you.. not because you allowed yourself to be beaten by playing lax ball.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline Packnic  
#5 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 2:48:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post

I wish for politicians at all levels of government who gave a sh!t about average people who get up every day and go to work and pay their taxes.


Amen..

On topic..

I wish that Barnett is moved outside to take advantage of his speed.. Hawk to be coached up to take advantage of his physical talents.. or should I say get them to be utilized. And a thumping MLB.. whether that be Bishop or whomever that can bring the hammer to the run defense.. hell take him off the field in passing down if you have to..

But I want more plays like Bishop knifing through and dropping a running back in the backfield with a solid wrapped up tackle.. that was a thing of beauty.. how many times did Hawk this year tackle high and get carried down the field for a few?

Fundamentals.. return of solid fundamentals and elimination of mental errors.. lose because they beat you.. not because you allowed yourself to be beaten by playing lax ball.



I agree 100% ... there is no meanness. no drive no kill from our LBs. Watching them get drug by Slaton for 4 yards at least everytime was sickening. And Bishop did do an excellent job on some run plays. but anytime you are that bad in one major aspect of the game... then no matter how well you do in another you can't be on the field.
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Offline Pack93z  
#6 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 2:59:27 PM(UTC)
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I agree 100% ... there is no meanness. no drive no kill from our LBs. Watching them get drug by Slaton for 4 yards at least everytime was sickening. And Bishop did do an excellent job on some run plays. but anytime you are that bad in one major aspect of the game... then no matter how well you do in another you can't be on the field.


Again.. that comes back to coaching.. utilize your strengths on defense.. I think back to an example at hand.. Bernardo Harris.. excellent in the box backer.. the coaching staff utilized his strengths and minimized his weakness.. Harris either walked to the sideline or dropped into a short zone.. they didn't match him up in coverage because he was a downhill backer..

Quality coaches design a recipe in utilizing your resources properly.. not forcing guys into playing against a position of strength in their game.. that there is the underlying meaning of Ted's quote about the alignment of our defense.. we aren't utilizing the blend of talent we have.

That there is the hidden meaning of Ted's comment.. doesn't bode well for the DC.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline digsthepack  
#7 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 3:04:01 PM(UTC)
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What comments did Ted Thompson make with regard to the DC??
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Offline Pack93z  
#8 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 3:07:04 PM(UTC)
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What comments did Ted Thompson make with regard to the DC??


http://www.packershome.c...ile=viewtopic&t=2814

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Calling out Sanders?

Link

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The defensive line has received significant criticism, arguably going from a position of strength last year to one of weakness.

Thompson doesnt agree.

I think in some respects thats an inaccurate statement to say its the defensive line, he said. I think our guys have played very hard and we dont have the sacks that we maybe would have expected or had last year. But theyve played well. Again, the defense is an 11-man thing.
[size=20]Its got to be orchestrated properly.[/size] And we just havent quite hit our stride yet.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline digsthepack  
#9 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 3:10:26 PM(UTC)
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Well, it seems one big change is imminent!
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Offline Packnic  
#10 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 3:12:15 PM(UTC)
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damn you're fast 93... got all the info and links and bam you got it posted already.


as far as firing Sanders... it never really seemed like the guy was picked for the job anyway... just kind of given the reigns because he worked with a very good DC in Bates. I don't think that warrants a job necessarily and when your D has regressed as badly as this one (injuries and all) I don't really see why we would keep him.

my wishlist is that Thompson knew this would be a tough restructuring year all along and was planning on this upcoming offseason being the one that he really puts his stamp on.
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Offline minnypacker  
#11 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 3:20:13 PM(UTC)
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The D needs a new philosophy....period. Mike Nolan would be a good guy to bring in if he wants to be a coordinator. I wish we could bring Dick LeBeau back...but that ain't happening.
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Offline dfosterf  
#12 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 3:27:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
The elimination of Bob Sanders from the payroll. Winners are built on affecting the QB, and we do not do that. Offenses are so well orchestrated that no matter how good the secondary, given time (and we DO give time!!), QBs will eat them up with no pressure. Sanders, while a seemingly decent man, is rigid and lacks the creativity to make do when everything is not perfect. Don't care if we go 4-3 or 3-4, but I want an aggressive, mean, punishing defense....and a couple Wayne Simmons/Mike Douglass type players to stir that concoction. Mike Nolan??

Same with Mike Stock! The Derrick Frost recommendation alone makes this move feasible, but the substantial decline of performance and accountability on coverage is no longer something to be tolerated.

I approve of the job that Ted Thompson has done thus far, very much so. And yes, I agree with moving Favre, who would not make a difference except possibly deny us a future QB had he stuck around. That said, it is time to spend some dough on a havoc-wreaking DL and OL.

I wish that AJ Hawk's play is the result of injury and/or bad scheme/coaching. Never have I seen a player with such promise fade so quickly. My guess is the scheme tries to fit square pegs into round holes.

I wish Mike McCarthy would demand more from players, and if they do not deliver, make a change in who starts. Too often I witness some of our better players playing as dumb as I have ever seen the game played....as evidenced by our penalty count this year.

I wish we would get some road-graders and dump the friggin' ZBS......we are getting beat PHYSICALLY every week along the OL....and I do not believe the ZBS translates well to our late season cold weather games.

Just a start.......


This is an extremely solid + 1 post. Including the "Just a start"

+1 and then some, actually.
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Offline IronMan  
#13 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 3:40:44 PM(UTC)
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I just want a win over the Lions. Please, for the love of GOD do not lose to the Lions.
Offline bozz_2006  
#14 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 3:42:29 PM(UTC)
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I just want a win over the Lions. Please, for the love of GOD do not lose to the Lions.


i know. if there's anything as bad as going 0-16, it's being the team that lost to a 1-15 club.
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Offline DakotaT  
#15 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 4:28:07 PM(UTC)
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I just want a win over the Lions. Please, for the love of GOD do not lose to the Lions.


If that loss nets us a stud DE or LT, I don't care.

But I hear ya!!!!!
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Offline warhawk  
#16 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 4:30:54 PM(UTC)
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I just want a pass rush. Our problems on defense start and end there. When you look at the dropoff in the number of sacks and pressures from just last year it clearly states where our struggles come from.

As far as whole scale changes I don't see it. With Jenkins and Barnett back we need a right defensive end that is kick butt. Period.

I would say the biggest bang you will see is maybe Sanders gone and someone with a more aggressive approach brought in that has a blitz scheme that actually works.

Personnel wise? We get Jenkins back getting pressure from the middle and a RDE that gets after it and that makes a WORLD of difference in what we see going on out there.

I think the problem with our LB's is they are asked to do to much. This defense has always asked more from the LB's than anybody else. I would rather have a defense that let's them go hit people more and think less.

I believe that would make a monster out of AJ.
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Offline bozz_2006  
#17 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 5:27:36 PM(UTC)
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yeah AJ is a monster. it's been said before; he is
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let him do his thing and he's unstoppable. try to get him to process the situation, and it's like a cow staring at a new fence.
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Offline porky88  
#18 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 5:38:43 PM(UTC)
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My wish list which expands all the way to the draft.

1. I would fire Bob Sanders this week and promote Winston Moss to defensive coordinator. I would allow him to run the defense for the rest of the year and see how well they respond.

2. I would IR any players that are injured and just worn down. Players I'd consider are Chad Clifton, A.J. Hawk, and Atari Bigby. Mark Tauscher obviously as well. They need time to rest.

3. I would move Daryn Colledge to left tackle the rest of the season and see what he has there. I would move Spitz to LG and start Josh Sitton at RG. Tony Moll would be my RT.

4. I would split carries between Ryan Grant and Brandon Jackson.

5. I wouldn't resign Mark Tauscher. Wish him luck, but it's time to move on. I would release Chad Clifton.

6. I would be bold in free agency. I would go after an Albert Haynesworth or attempt to trade for Julius Peppers. I would go after a tackle like Jordan Gross and I would go after a guard. In total I would go after offensive and defensive lineman. I believe at least one big name defensive lineman and two offensive lineman. One needs to be a tackle and the other a guard.

- Alright so hypothically let's say we got Hayneworth

7. I would release Ryan Pickett and Johnny Jolly. Pickett isn't worth keeping as a backup at his price. Jolley will be suspended probably after his court hearings. We need to send a message. A Bill Parcells like message.

Hypothetically if we got Julius Peppers in a trade from Carolina and yes Carolina is rumored to want to shop him around this off season.

I would still release Jolly, but I'd keep Ryan Pickett. I wouldn't resign Michael Montgomery.

8. I would resign Colin Cole to be my No. 2 DT and I would resign Tramon Williams. I wouldn't resign Michael Montgomery unless we didn't get a DE in free agency.

9. I would extend Greg Jennings and Nick Collins contracts.

10. I would trade a 2nd round draft pick to get either a pass rusher or Tony G possibly.

11. I would use my first round pick on the best pass rush available if unsuccessful at getting a trade done for a pass rusher. I like Michael Johnson. I also think Tyson Jackson is a must pick if he's on the board when the Packers select. If we traded a 2nd for a good pass rushing DE, then I would draft an offensive lineman with my first round pick.

12. I would still draft an offensive lineman with my 2nd round pick assuming the Jets make the playoffs. If GB doesn't go offensive line in round 1, then I'd attempt to move up to early round 2 or late round 1 to select the best offensive tackle on the board. I would make sure I get one of the 1st or early 2nd round graded tackles. They'll be enough.

In the perfect world the team would have Cullen Jenkins, Colin Cole, Albert Haynesworth, and Aaron Kampman on the defensive line. With a pass rusher such as Michael Johnson of Georgia Tech coming off the bench.

The offensive line would see only Scott Wells returning as the Center and Jason Spitz at one of the guards.

Basically my wish list to Santa Ted is quite the size, but I think it needs to done and Ted has the money to spoil Packer fans.
Offline Pack93z  
#19 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 5:39:20 PM(UTC)
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and it's like a cow staring at a new fence.


Big difference.. it only takes the cow one time to learn about that fence... a little shock treatment cures that right quick.. :lol:

I know I have been picking on him, but damn he stood there like a deer in the headlights to read the play.. then being a little slow of foot.. work like hell to recover...

Again.. Winston Moss isn't developing talent..
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline bozz_2006  
#20 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 5:54:33 PM(UTC)
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Ted has the money to spoil Packer fans.


But then we'd expect it every year!

seriously, great list though. I like it. I like you. You're a good football mind. I appreciate what you bring to the board and you make me much more football smart.
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Offline IronMan  
#21 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 5:57:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
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Ted has the money to spoil Packer fans.


But then we'd expect it every year!

seriously, great list though. I like it. I like you. You're a good football mind. I appreciate what you bring to the board and you make me much more football smart.
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Offline Packnic  
#22 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 6:17:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
Ted has the money to spoil Packer fans.


But then we'd expect it every year!

seriously, great list though. I like it. I like you. You're a good football mind. I appreciate what you bring to the board and you make me much more football smart.
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that is a pretty good list. I think it might be a bit much but i like it mostly.

I was thinking about starting a thread called "hows this for a plan" and pretty much do exactly what Porky just did.

I got to looking at the salary cap numbers and that got me thinking. If we do what we all think we should do and release both Chad and Mark... that would mean the top 3 paid players on the team would be gone (Clifton, Tausch, KGB) freeing up almost 20 million in cap to go with what we already have. (which is around like 7 million right now I think)

so we will have some serious cash laying around if we do.
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Offline Yerko  
#23 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 6:23:19 PM(UTC)
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My list is small and short term...

Please start Brandon Jackson at running back. Give the kid the ball and let him run.
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#24 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 8:33:31 PM(UTC)
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My list is small and short term...

Please start Brandon Jackson at running back. Give the kid the ball and let him run.


How do you say that after Grant has a pretty good game? Over 100 yards and a TD...
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Offline Packnic  
#25 Posted : Monday, December 8, 2008 9:58:42 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
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My list is small and short term...

Please start Brandon Jackson at running back. Give the kid the ball and let him run.


How do you say that after Grant has a pretty good game? Over 100 yards and a TD...



because hes slow, tenative and relatively ineffective despite the numbers.

what good is a hundred and a touch when you lose the game? He isn't pacing the team like he was last year. I thought the Oline played pretty well as far as run games go and I thought Ryan Grant should have had more yards than he ended up getting. Last year he would have taken the holes he is getting and delivered punishment. this year I dont know if hes thinking too much, or injured, or just let the money go to his head... but he isnt half the back he was last year.

when BJack is in the game... he is fighting for yards and busting long runs. and generally hes more of a threat... which allows Aaron to operate more efficiently as well.
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