yooperfan
15 years ago

If we made a run at a Quailty lb like Terrell Suggs i would like to see the Packers go to the 3-4. I love the flexabilty it gives your lb's and the blitz pagkages look to have many more options.

"gotarace" wrote:



Don't hold your breath on that one.
djcubez
15 years ago
If we knew what we'd get from Barnett after his injury maybe going 3-4 wouldn't be a bad idea, granted we bring in a good NT. But since Nick won't be back in time for the start of training camp, changing schemes would be bad idea.
Zero2Cool
15 years ago
I asked about what scheme Ted played in because I feel that might play role, small, but possible because he's familiar with the type of player required.
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PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago

I asked about what scheme Ted played in because I feel that might play role, small, but possible because he's familiar with the type of player required.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Houston played in a 3-4 at Houston from what I see.



Trivia. Which Packer QB played with Ted in Houston?

Ole Peg Leg himself. Lynn Dickey
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
Hmm, so Ted played in a 3 - 4? Now with two 3 - 4 flavored DC's running around out there that makes me a little more curious. With knowing that, I'd be less surprised if Crennel or Nolan came here under McCarthy.
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porky88
15 years ago
People don't understand that most 3-4 outside pass rushing linebackers are defensive ends in the 4-3 scheme. I think GB needs to have a 3-4 package, but not use it as their base defense.

Another problem is Desmond Bishop is way to undersized for it.

Here is what a Packers 3-4 Defense looks like

DL Cullen Jenkins
NT Ryan Pickett
DL Johnny Jolly

OLB Aaron Kampman
ILB A.J. Hawk
ILB Nick Barnett
OLB Brady Poppinga

CB Charles Woodson
CB Al Harris
FS Nick Collins
SS Atari Bigby

Basically the same players but move Kampman to OLB and I don't think he could play very well there. He'd be a Matt Roth like player probably and GB would probably ask him to shed at least 5 to 10 pounds this off season to get into more athletic shape.

My point is the 3-4 defense is a awful fit for arguably the Packers best defensive player. It really puts them into a hold. If anyone can make a change it's Aaron Kampman though.

If you go with the 3-4 you would need to draft a 3-4 pass rusher for sure and I think they're are plenty in the draft to find. Everette Brown and Briak Orakpo would be pretty good picks for the Packers then. Both could play that OLB 3-4 spot.

I also think you need to bring in at least two or three defensive lineman. In round two, Tyson Jackson would be a good pick as a 3-4 DE if he's even there.
PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago

Hmm, so Ted played in a 3 - 4? Now with two 3 - 4 flavored DC's running around out there that makes me a little more curious. With knowing that, I'd be less surprised if Crennel or Nolan came here under McCarthy.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



All of these coaches have experience at both styles.

Doesn't matter really what they are running now.
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all_about_da_packers
15 years ago

People don't understand that most 3-4 outside pass rushing linebackers are defensive ends in the 4-3 scheme. I think GB needs to have a 3-4 package, but not use it as their base defense.

Another problem is Desmond Bishop is way to undersized for it.

Here is what a Packers 3-4 Defense looks like

DL Cullen Jenkins
NT Ryan Pickett
DL Johnny Jolly

OLB Aaron Kampman
ILB A.J. Hawk
ILB Nick Barnett
OLB Brady Poppinga

CB Charles Woodson
CB Al Harris
FS Nick Collins
SS Atari Bigby

"porky88" wrote:



Too soon to worry about personnel fitting. We'll have draft and UFA to improve.

Firstly, Jolly may very well be the NT in the scheme. Can't say for certain.

Secondly, I still think Kampman is too good a player to struggle in a 3-4 switch. I personally think he'll be fine at DE in the 3-4, too strong and quick to be unsuccessful at DE in 3-4. Kampman's a player in a 3-4, despite his size IMO.

Also, you've got Jason Taylor as a potential FA, so he may fit the bill at OLB. I still think Bishop can contribute as a ILB, he's strong and tough even if a bit under sized.

At the end of the day, attempting to fit our current personnel in the 3-4 is an exercise in futility because we've got the whole off-season to adjust our current personnel.

Especially if we bring in a guy like Mike Nolan, I dare say he'll make the 3-4 work with the players he has.
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porky88
15 years ago

People don't understand that most 3-4 outside pass rushing linebackers are defensive ends in the 4-3 scheme. I think GB needs to have a 3-4 package, but not use it as their base defense.

Another problem is Desmond Bishop is way to undersized for it.

Here is what a Packers 3-4 Defense looks like

DL Cullen Jenkins
NT Ryan Pickett
DL Johnny Jolly

OLB Aaron Kampman
ILB A.J. Hawk
ILB Nick Barnett
OLB Brady Poppinga

CB Charles Woodson
CB Al Harris
FS Nick Collins
SS Atari Bigby

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:



Too soon to worry about personnel fitting. We'll have draft and UFA to improve.

Firstly, Jolly may very well be the NT in the scheme. Can't say for certain.

Secondly, I still think Kampman is too good a player to struggle in a 3-4 switch. I personally think he'll be fine at DE in the 3-4, too strong and quick to be unsuccessful at DE in 3-4. Kampman's a player in a 3-4, despite his size IMO.

Also, you've got Jason Taylor as a potential FA, so he may fit the bill at OLB. I still think Bishop can contribute as a ILB, he's strong and tough even if a bit under sized.

At the end of the day, attempting to fit our current personnel in the 3-4 is an exercise in futility because we've got the whole off-season to adjust our current personnel.

Especially if we bring in a guy like Mike Nolan, I dare say he'll make the 3-4 work with the players he has.

"porky88" wrote:



Johnny Jolly is a much lesser version of a Haloti Ngata type player in that he could be a NT or a DE. The 3-4 defensive end's No. 1 priority is to be a great run stopper and to fill their gaps.

You want players on the 3-4 defensive line that can stop the run and Jolly, Pickett, and probably Jenkins are the best suited for it because they can stop the run. Although I don't think Jenkins plays as well in the 3-4 as much as people think. His size indicates it, but I think Cullen Jenkins is a better fit as a cover 2 defensive tackle.

Aaron Kampman is undersized to be a defensive end in the scheme, but not athletic enough to be an outside backer. It puts the Packers in a tough position. Kampman is one of the five best "craftiest" pass rushers in the game today. You put him at DE in the 3-4 and all of a sudden your taking his best asset and handicapping it.

I think Mike Nolan would run a 3-4/4-3 hybrid. GB would use both of them quite a bit. Baltimore does certain things like that as do a lot of teams today.

Nick Saban actually did that in Miami and Jason Taylor thrived in it.
PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago
I wouldn't rule out a switch, eventually. But it would involve to much for one off season.

But if you look at contracts. Kampman, Jolly and Pickett are up after 2009. It could be setup for a two year process.
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