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Megatron  
#1 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 2:28:42 AM(UTC)
Green Bay's 2009 free agents:

Mark Tauscher
Colin Cole
Michael Montgomery
John Kuhn
Brady Poppinga
John Bodiford - RFA
Ruvell Martin - RFA
Jarrett Bush - RFA
Atari Bigby - RFA
Jason Hunter - RFA
Tory Humphrey - ERFA
Tramon Williams - ERFA

I would keep Williams, Bigby, Hunter and maybe Kuhn. The rest can leave.

Poppinga is supposed to be a good fit in a 3-4 but i have no faith in his pass rush abilities. He isnt any good in coverage either and it would be good to let him go to make more room for the salary cap. He is already 29 with just 4 years of NFL experience behind him, he's not going to get any better. Cut him and try someone else.

Montgomery is just too meh. No pass rush ability at all. Been at the packers for 4 years and has not been able to establish himself in the team the entire time. Time to let him go methinks.

Martin is a decent WR but i'm sure Ted Thompson will find someone better to upgrade that 5th WR spot. But if he does not, i expect him to stay.

Cole is average as hell. Can't believe we offered him a fairly large contract. Thankfully he turned it down. We can do better. We couldnt stop the run at all or rush the passer at all so why would we want to keep him?

Tauscher will not get a large contract. His injury is too severe to offer him that. Wouldnt complain if we keep him if he accepts a small salary. He would provide squad depth and knows the system well.

Kuhn did well catching for a couple of TD's this season. I consider him to be better than Korey Hall so would try to keep him unless there are better free agents out there or have identified someone in the draft that can be picked up in the 6th or 7th round.

As for trades, We could trade any of these players for draft picks:

Harris (only if they identified a CB with equal or better ability to replace him. If a 24 years old is no better than Harris, no point in replacing him with a younger player for the sake of it.)

Lee (i think he is a good player but if there is an opportunity to improve the TE position, he should be traded)

Kampman. Whilst they say he should be excited with the switch to 3-4, he may be unhappy about it as he is a year away from FA and a big pay day. Ive read that OLB's get paid less than DE's so if his job description changes he could end up earning less if he accepts a new contract with us next year. He may demand a trade so that he can play in a 4-3 and get that big pay day. We would get a no.1 draft pick and that would makes things even more interesting. Imagine getting Raji and Jenkins for example!!

Malone, Pettaway, Hall and Moll could be used as trade bait but is extremely unlikely that a team would be willing to give up a draft pick for them. All they would have to do is wait for one of them to be cut from the training camp.

The defence would need to be overhauled and Capers will probably want to stamp his own mark on the team so don't be surprise to see many of our players leaving, especially our backups.
millertime  
#2 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 1:23:28 PM(UTC)
I believed we re-inked Poppinga before the season started.
bozz_2006  
#3 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 1:28:42 PM(UTC)
I can confidently say that there is no college CB entering the draft that will be better than Al Harris in 2009.
Pack93z  
#4 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 1:52:19 PM(UTC)
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I can confidently say that there is no college CB entering the draft that will be better than Al Harris in 2009.


Agreed... but there might be one on the roster that gives him a run for his money.. Tramon Williams.
Dulak  
#5 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 2:22:58 PM(UTC)
nice write up ... Al Harris is much better then williams IMO

I like Kuhn - wish we would use him more as a FB to block for grant or for another receiver for a screen etc ...

Did you mention donald Lee? I thought he was pretty decent this year
Pack93z  
#6 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 2:39:47 PM(UTC)
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nice write up ... Al Harris is much better then williams IMO


Williams has improved each year here.. accending player... if you asked me this season.. I would take Harris.. but if Williams continues his improvement that gap closes. Do I think Williams will be as physical as Harris is.. nope, but I truly believe we have a great one in the making. If he continues to grow and develop.
Packnic  
#7 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 2:40:22 PM(UTC)
good thread.

I'd agree with most everything, besides getting rid of Aaron Kampman. What have you ever seen or read that would make you think Kampman would skip town under contract, just to pursue a few extra dollars. I think that he will get a decent contract from us no matter where he plays. Ted has been pretty fair in contract offers, and if we are offering Cole that much money... you can bet your backside Kampman will get a fair offer. I see Kampman as part of the solution here, no matter the scheme.

And thats another thing... all this talk about do we have 3-4 type guys? Who's to say with out knowing what Capers has in mind. What typically is considered a good nose tackle in the common 3-4 might be useless in what Capers is planning. I know its something to talk about, but we really don't know what a good fit is until we know more about this scheme.
bozz_2006  
#8 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 2:46:04 PM(UTC)
re: the nose tackle. I've already read hints that Capers won't implement a system requiring a 2-gap nose tackle. I'm sure they will be expected to take a 2 gap responsibility some times, but what Dom talks about is keeping the offense guessing (THANK GOD), meaning gap responsibilities will change during games.

They say Pickett fits the bill perfectly. they could A) be telling the truth, or B) setting up a smoke-screen in order to position themselves to pick up a different NT...

Whatever it is, I do trust Capers to wring every last bit of talent out of our roster.
Packnic  
#9 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 2:49:35 PM(UTC)
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re: the nose tackle. I've already read hints that Capers won't implement a system requiring a 2-gap nose tackle. I'm sure they will be expected to take a 2 gap responsibility some times, but what Dom talks about is keeping the offense guessing (THANK GOD), meaning gap responsibilities will change during games.

They say Pickett fits the bill perfectly. they could A) be telling the truth, or B) setting up a smoke-screen in order to position themselves to pick up a different NT...

Whatever it is, I do trust Capers to wring every last bit of talent out of our roster.


Bozz with the assist.


Like Capers said in his first presser.... coming in here with a scheme and particular guys in mind is a recipe for failure. Thats what Sanders did.
You gotta move, disguise and confuse constantly to get pressure. Its what Philly does every single game, and it shows. And that recipe doesn't necessarily require certain ingredients that the typical 3-4 scheme would.
ILikeThePackers39  
#10 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 2:58:45 PM(UTC)
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good thread.

I'd agree with most everything, besides getting rid of Aaron Kampman. What have you ever seen or read that would make you think Kampman would skip town under contract, just to pursue a few extra dollars. I think that he will get a decent contract from us no matter where he plays. Ted has been pretty fair in contract offers, and if we are offering Cole that much money... you can bet your backside Kampman will get a fair offer. I see Kampman as part of the solution here, no matter the scheme.

And thats another thing... all this talk about do we have 3-4 type guys? Who's to say with out knowing what Capers has in mind. What typically is considered a good nose tackle in the common 3-4 might be useless in what Capers is planning. I know its something to talk about, but we really don't know what a good fit is until we know more about this scheme.


I'm with you on that last part. I mean, I get that it's the offseason and people are just speculating, but I'm struck by the difference between what we're being told by coaches and league pros and what folks on these boards are saying. Is it just that the coaches are spinning the situation for us, or do they know more than we do? I'm going to be interested to find out, because the gap between the two stories seems mighty wide.

If I were a betting man, I'd probably lay my money on the coaches/pros understanding the scheme better than us fans, but that's just me.
Dulak  
#11 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 3:02:00 PM(UTC)
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re: the nose tackle. I've already read hints that Capers won't implement a system requiring a 2-gap nose tackle. I'm sure they will be expected to take a 2 gap responsibility some times, but what Dom talks about is keeping the offense guessing (THANK GOD), meaning gap responsibilities will change during games.

They say Pickett fits the bill perfectly. they could A) be telling the truth, or B) setting up a smoke-screen in order to position themselves to pick up a different NT...

Whatever it is, I do trust Capers to wring every last bit of talent out of our roster.


Bozz with the assist.


Like Capers said in his first presser.... coming in here with a scheme and particular guys in mind is a recipe for failure. Thats what Sanders did.
You gotta move, disguise and confuse constantly to get pressure. Its what Philly does every single game, and it shows. And that recipe doesn't necessarily require certain ingredients that the typical 3-4 scheme would.


Ya I think Capers specifically talked about Kampman in his intereview and stated that he would use him. And use all the guys based on their strengths.
go.pack.go.  
#12 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 8:11:17 PM(UTC)
We need to keep Kuhn, Bigby, Hunter, and Williams. Maybe Brady Poppinga.

I like John Kuhn, he's a pretty good blocking FB and he has shown his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield.
zombieslayer  
#13 Posted : Friday, January 23, 2009 8:43:38 PM(UTC)
I agree with Packnic. No way we get rid of Kampy. He is someone we need, especially with the switch to 3-4. Kampy is one tough kid and as hard working as they come. He's the guy you want on your team.

I've had a soft spot for R Martin, but feelings aside, he's the 5th best WR on the roster. If we could get something good for him, I'd take it in a heart beat.

Kuhn is a FB. Hate to say it, but I don't get too attached to FBs. I think the reason people do is because it's a thankless job, that you work your tail off, and nobody gives you any cred. Is he consistently blowing up LBs? If he is, I'm not seeing it. Appears like an average FB to me. Sorry. Like the guy, don't get me wrong, but if we can get something good for him...

Tauscher has had better days. He's on the decline now.

Lee I wouldn't trade. Favre made something good out of Lee and I've seen him shed tacklers like they were rag dolls. Aaron is a more WR man, but watch, as he gets a little older, he'll start hitting TEs more. Lee is underused. Give him more balls and you'll see I'm right.
blueleopard  
#14 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:34:20 PM(UTC)
Mark Tauscher
- Re-sign for Veteran's minimum. If he doesn't pan out in Training Camp, cut him. If another team offers a payday, let him go with them.

Colin Cole
- If he rejected a fair contract, then he doesn't want to be here.

Michael Montgomery
- He's the odd-man-out with the new defense.

John Kuhn
- Best FB on our team. We re-sign him. Having two fullbacks is actually fine.

Brady Poppinga
- Let him test the waters. If it doesn't work out, we bring him back and let him try it out in Training Camp.

John Bodiford - RFA
Nah.

Ruvell Martin - RFA
- He's the best blocker on the team and is indirectly A-Rod's favorite receiver. If he works on his catching, he'll be solid.

Jarrett Bush - RFA
- Gotta keep him for special teams.

Atari Bigby - RFA
- Let him compete with Rouse.

Jason Hunter - RFA
- Let him try the system. If it doesn't pan out, cut.

Tory Humphrey - ERFA
Tramon Williams - ERFA
I'm not gonna worry about ERFA's.
beast  
#15 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:53:57 PM(UTC)
Poppinga isn't a FA, he resigned last offseason already.

Kuhn is also a RFA.

All of the FA and ERFA will be resign and compete for jobs.

Which just leaves the UFA which are

Mark Tauscher
Colin Cole
Michael Montgomery


The Packers already offered Cole IMO more than he's worth and he turned it down so he's going to FA and very likely to be gone.

I wouldn't mind healthy Montgomery and Tauscher back at the right prices.


Also the 3-4 DB play A LOT more zone normally. Harris can't play zone. Maybe Dom will make a 3-4 with man to man but normally 3-4 plays zone with their DBs.

And I would strongly look into a trade for Tony Gonzalez. He's better in the pass and run game than any of the Packers TEs and he can coach up the TEs like Finley. (I might ask Tony to take a little less money).
bozz_2006  
#16 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:57:53 PM(UTC)
what is ERFA?

EXTREMELY Restricted Free Agent? lol

seriously, what does it mean?
Nonstopdrivel  
#17 Posted : Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:48:34 AM(UTC)
I do think it's odd that so many of us have a soft spot in our hearts for Ruvell Martin. I wonder where that comes from? It's certainly not his output on the field.

The only way I see him on our roster next season is if Ted Thompson elects not to draft a receiver this year. It would shock me if Thompson failed to draft a WR, however.
Nonstopdrivel  
#18 Posted : Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:49:12 AM(UTC)
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what is ERFA?


Exclusive rights free agent.

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Unrestricted Free Agents

Unrestricted Free Agents (UFA) are players who have completed four or more accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. They are free to sign with any club.

Restricted Free Agents

Restricted Free Agents (RFA) are players who have completed three accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. They have received qualifying offers from their old clubs and are free to negotiate with any club until April 21, at which time their rights revert to their original club. If a player accepts an offer from a new club, the old club will have the right to match the offer and retain the player. If the old club elects not to match the offer, it may receive draft-choice compensation depending on the level of the qualifying offer made to the player.

Exclusive-Rights Free Agents

Exclusive-Rights Free Agents (ERFAs) are players who have completed between 0-2 accrued seasons of service whose contracts have expired. If tendered, they have no negotiating rights with other clubs and must sign their tender with their old club or sit out the season.


It would suck to be an ERFA, because if you sit out the season, you aren't accruing tenure. You're basically left without a choice but to sign the offer you're tendered.
jdog2  
#19 Posted : Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:04:57 AM(UTC)
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what is ERFA?


Exclusive rights free agent.

Quote:
Unrestricted Free Agents

Unrestricted Free Agents (UFA) are players who have completed four or more accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. They are free to sign with any club.

Restricted Free Agents

Restricted Free Agents (RFA) are players who have completed three accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. They have received qualifying offers from their old clubs and are free to negotiate with any club until April 21, at which time their rights revert to their original club. If a player accepts an offer from a new club, the old club will have the right to match the offer and retain the player. If the old club elects not to match the offer, it may receive draft-choice compensation depending on the level of the qualifying offer made to the player.

Exclusive-Rights Free Agents

Exclusive-Rights Free Agents (ERFAs) are players who have completed between 0-2 accrued seasons of service whose contracts have expired. If tendered, they have no negotiating rights with other clubs and must sign their tender with their old club or sit out the season.


It would suck to be an ERFA, because if you sit out the season, you aren't accruing tenure. You're basically left without a choice but to sign the offer you're tendered.


Unless you are Ryan Grant you get a huge payday for 1 big season.
Nonstopdrivel  
#20 Posted : Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:05:40 AM(UTC)
Make that half a big season. ;)
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