Discussion Board
Welcome Guest! You can login or register. Login or Register.
2 Pages12>

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
TheEngineer  
#1 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:24:18 AM(UTC)
Switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense isn't merely taking out a linemen and putting in an extra LB. You need to train the existing players to play differently, and to draft and pick up players who are better at fitting the scheme. Luckily we have an excellent DC in DC (gee, wasn't he just built to be a defensive coordinator?) who shall make the transition a lot easier to bear.

So with all this talk of the Packers shifting to a 3-4 defense, how long do you think it will take the Packers to become a dominant force in this scheme? I would normally give it 3 years to get going, but McCarthy and Thompson are on the spot to produce a much improved 2009 showing. There may be a good chance the 3-4 conversion will be scrapped before it really takes flight. On the other hand, Capers and his staff may just be enough for the history books to remember 2008 as an aberration of an otherwise solid few years in Green Bay. Thoughts?
all_about_da_packers  
#2 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:39:03 AM(UTC)
I won't put a specific time frame on it, but I think it's not fair to expect immediate results.

The biggest thing going forward has to be getting the right personnel in here to run the scheme. That won't be a problem however, since Ted himself played in the 3-4 and our Director of Player Personnel Reggie McKenzie played under Dom Capers back in college (also the 3-4).

It'll take a year just to get the players familiar with the scheme, plays, concepts, etc. and I think in year 2 you'll see the players start to grow in the scheme.

I think it's fair to expect the Packers D to show its true colours in 3 years, after they've had a chance to get comfortable and the 3-4 scheme has been developed to suit the players on the roster. So three years would mean the 2011 season.
tromadz  
#3 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:39:51 AM(UTC)
It's not as hard as you're making it out to be.

It's not as easy as flipping a switch, but it's not rocket science either. We'll be ready by opening day.
all_about_da_packers  
#4 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:41:09 AM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
It's not as hard as you're making it out to be.

It's not as easy as flipping a switch, but it's not rocket science either. We'll be ready by opening day.


Being ready, and excelling, are two different things though.

I don't doubt the Packers will be ready when the season starts. However, becoming an elite D isn't going to happen in a matter of months.
tromadz  
#5 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:04:00 AM(UTC)
We'll be ready...to excel.

You know what I meant.

You know who won't be ready? The other NFC North teams.
all_about_da_packers  
#6 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:05:08 AM(UTC)
I know exactly what you mean. I so want September to start right now!
Since69  
#7 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:35:04 PM(UTC)
I hate to be a wet blanket, but how long did it take us to "excel" in the 4-3?

The correct answer may be never...
Bigbyfan  
#8 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:43:48 PM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
I hate to be a wet blanket, but how long did it take us to "excel" in the 4-3?

The correct answer may be never...


Which is why we are switching to the 3-4....
jbshell04  
#9 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:47:47 PM(UTC)
As far as time length you will see it more pronounced by midseason. It will b important for the offense to put up points and alot of them./ That said I think you will see alot hybrid in the first year to use the current personnel we have
warhawk  
#10 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:19:24 PM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
We'll be ready...to excel.

You know what I meant.

You know who won't be ready? The other NFC North teams.


I think the thing people need to realize is this is going to be a hybred 3-4 and Ted Thompson was quoted as saying we could have 4 down lineman as much as 50% of the time.

Capers challenge is no less than any other "D" Coordinator in devising a system that utilizes the strength of the players. He's had plenty of years experience doing just that.

It still boils down to football and tackling the guy with the ball and pressuring the QB. They talk about poor Kampman won't fit in this scheme and I just laugh. For one thing, when your moving guys around and bringing players from different spots it is much harder for the offense to know whats coming and double team or chip players off the edge.

Last year Kampman came from the same spot 98% of the time and most often had two bodies on him whereas this coming year that won't be the case. My guess is he has just as many sacks or more under Capers.
jdog2  
#11 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:36:32 PM(UTC)
I think it is going to take 2-3 years for the defense to really understand the scheme and not over think plays.
warhawk  
#12 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:14:04 PM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
I think it is going to take 2-3 years for the defense to really understand the scheme and not over think plays.


If Mike McCarthy felt it would take any longer than the beginning of the season for this to be a better and more effective defense then the one he just ran out of town you can bet your buns he would never have done it.

Two to three years? Geez man, were not sending guys to the freaking moon.
Nonstopdrivel  
#13 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:30:06 PM(UTC)
I agree. If it takes these guys that long to adapt, they need to be sent packing and we need to bring in some more flexible players.
djcubez  
#14 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:22:42 PM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
" said: Go to Quoted Post
I think it is going to take 2-3 years for the defense to really understand the scheme and not over think plays.


If Mike McCarthy felt it would take any longer than the beginning of the season for this to be a better and more effective defense then the one he just ran out of town you can bet your buns he would never have done it.

Two to three years? Geez man, were not sending guys to the freaking moon.

Exactly my opinion. Mike McCarthy wouldn't just switch to 3-4 after such a bad season if he didn't except immediate results. He doesn't have 2-3 years for this team to excel.
jdog2  
#15 Posted : Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:56:22 AM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
" said: Go to Quoted Post
I think it is going to take 2-3 years for the defense to really understand the scheme and not over think plays.


If Mike McCarthy felt it would take any longer than the beginning of the season for this to be a better and more effective defense then the one he just ran out of town you can bet your buns he would never have done it.

Two to three years? Geez man, were not sending guys to the freaking moon.


The question was how long will it take them to excel in the 3-4 and I think it will take 2-3 years to excel. The might be good by midseason, but they won't be great till they play a full season in it. Just my opinion.
PackFanWithTwins  
#16 Posted : Sunday, January 25, 2009 2:21:12 AM(UTC)
The team will be ready for the 3-4. Will they be a top 5 D. No, but I expect them to be in the top 10 which is good.

The team may never make it to #1, but they don't need to. The offense is able to score points, so the Defense can afford to be a little lower ranked. Just not as low as this last year.
El3ment12  
#17 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 11:42:07 AM(UTC)
I'm not waiting 2-3 years. We better be amazing by opening day
ILikeThePackers39  
#18 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 3:31:11 PM(UTC)
My thoughts are:

1. With all due respect to all of y'all, Dom Capers and Co. know defense better than anyone who posts on these boards.

2. Assuming Thompson and McCarthy aren't suffering from severe brain damage, they know they don't have 2-3 years to turn things around. This wasn't some long-term project they started, and I think the money being handed out and the calibre of coaches that money's going to indicate a commitment to turning things around quickly.

3. Personnel will be brought in to help w/ the transition - maybe not some household name, but I'm positive we'll be seeing some new faces.

4. The defense will rebound as a result and we'll be in the top 10.
Pack93z  
#19 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 3:35:56 PM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post

1. With all due respect to all of y'all, Dom Capers and Co. know defense better than anyone who posts on these boards.
.


You hurt my little ole feelings now.. :lol:

Nice post... it will be interesting to see how we attack FA this season.

We spent some pretty good coin in Capers.. and I am sure Trgovac was offered more than the minimum for a DC... so we probably invested a good chunk there.

Will Ted keep the checkbook smokin' in the free agency period?

Probably not like some would wish, but it shall be interesting to me.
ILikeThePackers39  
#20 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 3:46:50 PM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
" said: Go to Quoted Post

1. With all due respect to all of y'all, Dom Capers and Co. know defense better than anyone who posts on these boards.
.


You hurt my little ole feelings now.. :lol:

Nice post... it will be interesting to see how we attack FA this season.

We spent some pretty good coin in Capers.. and I am sure Trgovac was offered more than the minimum for a DC... so we probably invested a good chunk there.

Will Ted keep the checkbook smokin' in the free agency period?

Probably not like some would wish, but it shall be interesting to me.



Aw, I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings - I get that it's a discussion board and people tend to... discuss things, and I'm not trying to say people don't know their football, because it's obvious that you folks really do. I'm just poking a little fun, because there's so much trepidation amongst the fans about how we don't have the players, while the coaches seem to disagree. I'm hoping the coaches know better than we do, needless to say.

As for Ted, I'm going on the assumption that he likes his job and would like to keep it. If I'm right about that and if he's not a complete idiot, he'll spend some money and bring in some useful pieces. Will they be huge names? Probably not, if they don't fit into what McCarthy and Capers are planning. But I'm betting he'll spend some cash.
Rss Feed
Users browsing this topic
Guest
2 Pages12>
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error

Fan Shout
TheKanataThrilla (4h) : Cousins is pretty good. Thankfully coaches were willing to lack past early draft rounds to play him.
wpr (5h) : Merry Thanksgiving to all. ;)
Zero2Cool (6h) : uffda udfa -- if you want your name changed, send me a Private Message with new name
yinzer (6h) : probably not, eh?
Zero2Cool (6h) : Wonder if Chargers fans say regime is wasting Rivers.
yinzer (7h) : old school
TheKanataThrilla (7h) : Fave non-GB players. Love QBs so going Brees and Rivers.
hardrocker950 (7h) : Hayward with a pick
TheKanataThrilla (8h) : Love Rivers. Wish he'd find a great team to play for.
nerdmann (8h) : Shit could turn around for us.
nerdmann (8h) : Loins lost and the 'Gurlz are losing (not to jinx)
yinzer (8h) : Ya got my vote on the name change, uffda udfa haha
TheKanataThrilla (9h) : The claim is highly sweaty balls..
uffda udfa (9h) : Wait... Pee Stain 76...would be better.
uffda udfa (9h) : Checked settings and couldn't get it done.
uffda udfa (9h) : Can I change my screen name from uffda to: Mike Daniels' Pee Stain ?
TheKanataThrilla (12h) : I hate the endzone rule, Detroit got hosed on that call.
uffda udfa (12h) : Happy Thanksgiving you homers! Ha ha.
TheKanataThrilla (15h) : Yoop I am up from New York. Ogdenbugh is about an hour drive. Close to Syracuse as well, but never checked out any football or basketball ga
Zero2Cool (15h) : Today's Birthdays: polargrizz (63)
TheKanataThrilla (15h) : Go Lions, Chargers and Redskins. No doubt they all will lose as I am terrible on picking the Thursday game.
TheKanataThrilla (15h) : My football pool buddies and I will be celebrating. We even have a bar that'll serve a turkey dinner.
TheKanataThrilla (15h) : Hahahaha
yooperfan (16h) : Happy Thanksgiving to all Packers fans from da U.P.of Michigan eh ??
TheKanataThrilla (16h) : Happy Thanks Giving to my friends in the South. We should all be thankful for Aaron Rodgers for obvious reasons. Go Pack Go!!!
Nonstopdrivel (17h) : Happy Thanksgiving to you too.
buckeyepackfan (21h) : HAPPY THANKSGIVING PACKER FANS!!
uffda udfa (23-Nov) : Sam Shields wants to return to NFL in 2018. Faces 2 game suspension.
uffda udfa (23-Nov) : Lions sign Dwight Freeney
Zero2Cool (22-Nov) : @Chiefs We have signed free agent cornerback Darrelle Revis.
Zero2Cool (22-Nov) : Lions sign DT Christian Ringo to the 53-man roster from the practice squad, takes Khyri Thornton's spot
Smokey (21-Nov) : Don't look back, I'm gaining beast ! LOL
beast (21-Nov) : Thanks Smokey!
Zero2Cool (21-Nov) : I'm not confident vs Steelers. But they are up/down a lot.
dhazer (21-Nov) : I actually had a Steeler fan ask me why the stadium was still packed at the end of the game on Sunday. I said we back our team no matter wha
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2017 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM
SEAHAWKS
Sunday, Sep 17 @ 7:30 PM
at Falcons
Sunday, Sep 24 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Oct 8 @ 3:25 PM
at Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 15 @ 12:00 PM
at Vikings
Sunday, Oct 22 @ 12:00 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 AM
- BYE -
Monday, Nov 6 @ 7:30 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM
at Bears
Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM
RAVENS
Sunday, Nov 26 @ 7:30 PM
at Steelers
Sunday, Dec 3 @ 12:00 PM
BUCCANEERS
Sunday, Dec 10 @ 12:00 PM
at Browns
Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM
at Panthers
Saturday, Dec 23 @ 7:30 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Dec 31 @ 12:00 PM
at Lions
Think About It
Think About It
Recent Topics
5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

13h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dhazer

14h / Green Bay Packers Talk / DoddPower

23-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

23-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

23-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / uffda udfa

22-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

22-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

22-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

22-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / uffda udfa

22-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

22-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

22-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines