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Offline Nonstopdrivel  
#1 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:35:31 PM(UTC)
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The host of a local radio sports-talk show I like pointed this out a couple of nights ago, so I went back through the play-by-play and reviewed the game highlights to confirm that he was, in fact, right.

For those of you who say Rodgers has no 4th-quarter comebacks, I give you the Green Bay/Carolina game. Here is the 4th-quarter rundown:

The Packers enter the 4th quarter on the CAR 33, tied at 21-21, having already held the ball for the last 3:02 of the 3rd quarter. Three plays later, Rodgers tosses a 21-yard TD pass to Gregg Jennings, and the extra point is good.

Score: 28-21 with 13:43 remaining.

On the ensuing possession, Tramon Williams intercepts a pass to Muhsin Muhammad, but is also charged with pass interference, which is enforced at the 50. (Defense fucks up.) Barely one minute and 21 seconds later, DeAngelo Williams runs it in for a 1-yard TD. (Defense folds.)

Score: 28-28 with 11:10 remaining.

The Packers then march down the field to the CAR 14, where Rodgers is sacked out-of-bounds and Julius Peppers is called for unnecessary roughness (enforced at the 7, half the distance to the goal line). Inexplicably, Mike McCarthy, who has the best red-zone quarterback in the league, then calls 3 consecutive runs for a grand total of 6 yards (all on the first play), and the Packers are forced to settle for a 19-yard field goal.

Score: 31-28 with 1:57 remaining.

On the ensuing kickoff, M. Jones is pushed out of bounds at the CAR 45. (Special teams folds.) On the next play, Brandon Chillar and Charles Woodson are burned for a 54-yard pass to Steve Smith, who is downed at the GB 1. (Defense folds . . . again.) Next play DeAngelo Williams runs it in for a TD. Jarrett Bush is also called for off-sides, which is assessed on the ensuing kickoff. (Defense fucks up . . . again.)

Score: 31-35 with 1:30 remaining.

On the ensuing kickoff, Tramon Williams returns the ball to the GB 17. The following play, Rodgers throws an incomplete pass to Jennings. On the next pass, he throws an interception intended for Donald Driver. If you look at the replay, Driver looks completely confused, so there was obviously some sort of miscommunication. It's impossible to know who was at fault here. Either way, he was tightly covered, so it was a risky throw.

Score: 31-35 with 1:09 remaining.

On the ensuing three plays, Carolina runs out the clock, running for a total of 8 yards (all on the first play). They then punt to the GB 6.

Score: 31-35 with 0:02 remaining.

Rodgers throws an incomplete pass to Jennings.

END OF GAME.
Offline Rios39  
#2 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:40:46 PM(UTC)
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On the interception Donald Driver waved for the ball because he got behind the D, Aaron was on the run, saw him and threw it. Bad thing is he was on the run and didn't put enough on the ball. It would have been a good play if he got it deep enough. But it was strictly an improved route that they just didn't connect on.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:41:09 PM(UTC)
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Looking at the play-by-play, it's obvious that Rodgers leads the Packers to a lead twice in the 4th quarter, including a drive that chewed 10:13 off the clock, and leaves his defense with a lead inside of 2:00. Yes, the interception was inexcusable, but the offense held the ball for over 12 minutes in the 4th quarter! Therefore, in my opinion, the defense and special teams units must bear primary responsibility for this loss.

At the same time, a good deal of the blame must be laid at Mike McCarthy's feet. Had he gone for the touchdown instead of settling for a field goal, he would have put his offense, which had dominated time of possession, in a tied position on the final drive, meaning that a field goal could have won it, instead of forcing his quarterback to play from behind.

Yes, Rodgers' INT sealed the defeat, but for heaven's sake, give him some credit.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:49:38 PM(UTC)
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And in comes dhazer saying we put no blame on Rodgers for any losses...
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#5 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:58:29 PM(UTC)
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I have enough faith in Rodgers for this next year I don't feel any need to defend him. To me still it's about win or losses and I'm not big on giving brownie points for effort. The difference this next year is Rodgers will be the leader who finds away to end these close ones in a win no matter if he's got the whole team onm his back.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:04:41 PM(UTC)
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Sorry Non but im confused on this one. Are you saying he had a late 4th quarter comeback or are you showing he failed as he has all year in the final 5 minutes? I just don't get the meaning behind this one sorry.



as far as this
On the ensuing kickoff, M. Jones is pushed out of bounds at the CAR 45. (Special teams folds.) On the next play, Brandon Chillar and Charles Woodson are burned for a 54-yard pass to Steve Smith, who is downed at the GB 1. (Defense folds . . . again.)

Did you see the play it was a great catch by Smith not much you can do but give him the credit. If i remember correctly he was double covered. I'm looking for video proof.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:07:43 PM(UTC)
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Sorry Non but im confused on this one. Are you saying he had a late 4th quarter comeback or are you showing he failed as he has all year in the final 5 minutes? I just don't get the meaning behind this one sorry.


He's showing that the Defense let us down when we needed them the most.
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#8 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:08:04 PM(UTC)
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He didn't fail. He left the field inside of 2:00 with a lead, having held the ball for over 11:00 in that quarter -- and having lead the team to a lead twice in that same quarter (both of which probably would have been TDs had McCarthy not suddenly got cold feet on the second drive). It was the defense and special teams, objectively and unarguably, who failed.

I'm not giving brownie points for effort. I'm pointing out no team should lose when their offense has held the ball for nearly 13 minutes in the final quarter and over 16 of the final 19 minutes.
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#9 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:22:10 PM(UTC)
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4th quarter come back means in the 4th q he leads the team to take the lead or tie

that is what John Elway and Bretts stats are based on..

NOT 5 minutes left in the game


Soto say he has no 4th q comebacks is a blatant lie
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#10 Posted : Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:29:40 PM(UTC)
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Good point, LT. That was the other thing Jim Sosha pointed out on his show: that "5-minute-comeback" stat is carefully designed to excise out all the good accomplishments Rodgers had in the 4th quarter this season (they scored more 4th-quarter points than any team in the league!). That stat doesn't fairly reflect the accomplishments of Favre or Elway.
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