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Offline Pack93z  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:56:00 PM(UTC)
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Okay.. with Harrell basically providing nothing the past two year and doubts going forward...

Rewind the clock and make your 1st round pick for the Green Bay Packers.. try to be realistic in nature with regards to our roster at that time.

For instance.. one could say Jon Beason.. but Barnett had been and was still the starter today.. probably doesn't make a ton of sense.

But.. make your pick and give a little blurb on why you make that pick.

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Mine.. now and still at that time was Ben Grubbs.. would have solved one of the pieces of the puzzle on the interior of our line.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:02:34 PM(UTC)
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Mine would be Greg Olsen. That's who I was really hoping for, and I just knew that's who we were going to get. I was surprised he was still on the board at that time...then Justin Harrell's name came up and I'm like WHO IS HE?!?!?

I think Greg Olsen would have been good for us, and he was one of our needs at the time.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:11:57 PM(UTC)
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Interesting that the two players I would have thought of in hindsight were effectively eliminated. Beason for obvious reasons, and yes, I think my "fair" pick would be Olsen, accounting for where we were as a team at the time. This is another opportunity for me to say that as pi$$ed as I am at Bustin, I also want to be fair and say that I understood the pick at the time. What I am saying is that he showed the potential to be a game changer, and DT's are ALWAYS high risk, and rarely bring much if any immediate positive impact tp a football team. His injuries have probably destroyed his career, and an argument could be made the careers of several coaches, but ultimately it is no one's "fault."
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:18:19 PM(UTC)
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I understood the Harrell pick then and now in the terms of a player, potential and position.. but I think the lesson learned about injury risk and history have been learned as well.

This is more for fun and time burning than complaining about Harrell.. at least I hope that is the direction the thread goes.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:26:26 PM(UTC)
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I understood the Harrell pick then and now in the terms of a player, potential and position.. but I think the lesson learned about injury risk and history have been learned as well.

This is more for fun and time burning than complaining about Harrell.. at least I hope that is the direction the thread goes.


One more comment about Justin Harrell, and it IS on a more positive/lighter note. Hindsighters LOVE to bring the phrase, HE HAS BEEN INJURY PRONE since High school! I say, whatever...it was factored in, and what part a has to do with part b...well, don't get me goin', lol...

Since I picked Olson, and we didn't, and since we are going to take a massive hit on Bustin' regardless of whether he is on our NT/DE or not... and since we got SO MANY people interested in what Justin did since High School... Let's make HIM our tight end. LAUGH if you want...now, go look who was an all-american tight end in high school...
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:30:59 PM(UTC)
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Mine would be Greg Olsen. That's who I was really hoping for, and I just knew that's who we were going to get. I was surprised he was still on the board at that time...then Justin Harrell's name came up and I'm like WHO IS HE?!?!?

I think Greg Olsen would have been good for us, and he was one of our needs at the time.


Agreed. Olsen would have been my pick as well.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:33:11 PM(UTC)
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I understood the Harrell pick then and now in the terms of a player, potential and position.. but I think the lesson learned about injury risk and history have been learned as well.

This is more for fun and time burning than complaining about Harrell.. at least I hope that is the direction the thread goes.


One more comment about Justin Harrell, and it IS on a more positive/lighter note. Hindsighters LOVE to bring the phrase, HE HAS BEEN INJURY PRONE since High school! I say, whatever...it was factored in, and what part a has to do with part b...well, don't get me goin', lol...

Since I picked Olson, and we didn't, and since we are going to take a massive hit on Bustin' regardless of whether he is on our NT/DE or not... and since we got SO MANY people interested in what Justin did since High School... Let's make HIM our tight end. LAUGH if you want...now, go look who was an all-american tight end in high school...


Now I obviously prefer if he would be healthy and could just play NT. He has tons of potential.

This isn't that weird of an idea though. Maybe get him in there as a TE from time to time like the Pats do with Vrabel. Maybe on goal-line situations, getting a big guy that can ramble his way through DBs.

As for the pick, I have no idea. Bowe looks kinda nice, with Jennings having a promosing rookie season, but nothing spectacular.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:57:13 PM(UTC)
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cool thread. definitely agree with this...

Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
I understood the Harrell pick then and now in the terms of a player, potential and position.. but I think the lesson learned about injury risk and history have been learned as well.

This is more for fun and time burning than complaining about Harrell.. at least I hope that is the direction the thread goes.



If I had to do it over again, I'd take Eric Weddle, or maybe Olson or Zach Miller. all but Greg Olsen would have been considered a stretch at the time sure. But I've thought for a while that Utah has been putting out some very good football players and still think S is a position we can build on. I'm more than happy believe me, that we drafted Aaron Rouse. I really didn't consider him at the time, even though I loved him, as I thought we would handle the safety spot earlier in the draft. If we would have gone with Weddle it would've been a nice pick. Not spectacular but solid and more than doubled his production in year two showing great promise.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:56:03 PM(UTC)
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I would have went with Michael Griffin, and was really hoping for him, or for a trade down to get either Olsen or Weddle. Weddle was my favorite player when he was in college, but knowing what I know now I would have been just as upset if we picked Olsen as I am that we picked Harrell. I just don't think Olsen is as great as some make him out to be. At the time Safety was a big area of concern and Griffin would have been a great addition.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:57:20 PM(UTC)
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:01:43 PM(UTC)
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Mine would be Greg Olsen. That's who I was really hoping for, and I just knew that's who we were going to get. I was surprised he was still on the board at that time...then Justin Harrell's name came up and I'm like WHO IS HE?!?!?

I think Greg Olsen would have been good for us, and he was one of our needs at the time.


I wanted Greg Olsen then and now that it's in hindsight, I can unfortunately say "I told you so." Not you, of course because you also said Greg Olson.

I wish I was wrong and Bustin turned out to be a stud, but I was unfortunately right. :(
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:04:12 PM(UTC)
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Remember who Greg Olsen's QB is...


I hear ya on that, but I just don't see great potential, granted I don't watch a lot of Bears games. Maybe I am biased because I absolutely love the potential of JerMichael Finley and what he brings to the table, and if we had drafted Greg Olsen that would cause us not to have him.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:13:47 PM(UTC)
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Remember who Greg Olsen's QB is...


I hear ya on that, but I just don't see great potential, granted I don't watch a lot of Bears games. Maybe I am biased because I absolutely love the potential of JerMichael Finley and what he brings to the table, and if we had drafted Greg Olsen that would cause us not to have him.


I also love the potential that Jermichael Finley has. I want to see him with some more playing time.

But remember, Finley wasn't in that draft, Olsen was the best TE available there. We're talking about then, not now haha.

But I agree, we probably wouldn't have Finley if we had Olsen, but who would be better I wonder as a true starter...I don't know because neither get all of the time at TE.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:28:23 PM(UTC)
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But remember, Finley wasn't in that draft, Olsen was the best TE available there. We're talking about then, not now haha.


Which is why I said originally I did want Olsen, but knowing what I do now I would rather not have him. :icon_smile:

Going into the draft I thought it was a lock that the Packers were going to get Marshawn Lynch one way or another and was really disappointed that we didn't. After he got selected my focus changed to Griffin, Weddle, or Olsen because quite frankly they were the only ones I knew about from watching them in College, since I was so sure that we had Lynch locked up I didn't care to look at any other first rounders. When we picked Harrell I felt like throwing my TV out the window.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:30:21 PM(UTC)
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After looking at this season and the injuries to Bigby and Rouse, and the players that were still available.

Michael Griffen would have been nice in the safety depth this year.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:43:01 PM(UTC)
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Which is why I said originally I did want Olsen, but knowing what I do now I would rather not have him. :icon_smile:

Going into the draft I thought it was a lock that the Packers were going to get Marshawn Lynch one way or another and was really disappointed that we didn't. After he got selected my focus changed to Griffin, Weddle, or Olsen because quite frankly they were the only ones I knew about from watching them in College, since I was so sure that we had Lynch locked up I didn't care to look at any other first rounders. When we picked Harrell I felt like throwing my TV out the window.


Yeah, I wanted Lynch badly. I actually went to one game and saw him get 3 TDs - one rushing and two receiving. Granted it was against Oregon State, but still, the guy had so much flash. I was really bummed when the Bills got him.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:58:55 PM(UTC)
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:01:21 PM(UTC)
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Basically this thread confirms that it was a crap draft year. If they were coming out this year I'm not sure a name mentioned other than Beason even smells the first round.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:13:42 PM(UTC)
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Basically this thread confirms that it was a crap draft year. If they were coming out this year I'm not sure a name mentioned other than Beason even smells the first round.


I was waiting for that response.. no real true impact players beyond the top 15 other than Beason to date.

Solid contributing players for sure were around.. but none that have taken the NFL by storm.

Then look at James Jones numbers compared to TE and WR taken ahead of him.. not bad value eh.
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:09:32 PM(UTC)
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I would've gone for Aaron Ross, probably. I can't stand Olsen. The dude can't make a single play on the football field without blatantly pushing off. I need to actually like the guys I cheer for, and like how they play. That rules out Olsen.
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#21 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:37:38 PM(UTC)
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Basically this thread confirms that it was a crap draft year. If they were coming out this year I'm not sure a name mentioned other than Beason even smells the first round.


I was waiting for that response.. no real true impact players beyond the top 15 other than Beason to date.

Solid contributing players for sure were around.. but none that have taken the NFL by storm.

Then look at James Jones numbers compared to TE and WR taken ahead of him.. not bad value eh.



so wouldn't this negate the "bust" label thats put on Justin? I mean if no one else around his area is making noise, and Justin proves to help even a little bit next year... I mean then you are still getting value for where you picked because the market was so low then. right?
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:38:46 PM(UTC)
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Dwayne Bowe. Can you imagine?

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4. JJ/Jordy (only one would've been added if we had picked Bowe..)


That's three WRs who could arguably be #1s for alot of teams. Yowza.
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:47:31 PM(UTC)
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Greg Olson's receiving stats in '08: 54 receptions for 574 yards and five touchdowns.

Donald Lee's receiving stats in '08: 39 receptions for 303 yards and five TDs.

OK, anyone who says da Bears have a better QB than we do, you need to stop smoking crack immediately.

Olson contributes. Bustin sits on a bench. I've always loved it when we had a twin-TE attack. Remember '95 and '96 with both Chmura and Jackson being good? Imagine if Aaron had Greg Olson and Donald Lee. Would give opposing Ds nightmares. Now imagine playing Madden with Gregorious, Driver, Lee, and Olson the field at the same time.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:54:15 PM(UTC)
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OK, anyone who says da Bears have a better QB than we do, you need to stop smoking crack immediately.


Ok, I hope you know that I wasn't saying that the bears' quarterbacks are better than Rodgers...I was saying that Olsen wasn't doing great, because of their QBs. It's not the complete problem, but a huge contributer.
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:56:38 PM(UTC)
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Reggie Nelson, Ben Grubbs, Greg Olsen, and Jon Beason all look pretty good. Aaron Ross too.

Knowing what we know now though LarMarr Woodley would look pretty good in green and gold considering the move to the 3-4.

I wanted Marshawn Lynch at the time, but he wasn't there so my No. 2 would have been Greg Olsen and I think he'd be the pick right now. Considering he had 54 catches on the Bears offense makes him a little undervalued.
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