Zero2Cool
14 years ago
mediocrity is replaced with potential.

its just that potential turns out to be more mediocrity
UserPostedImage
14 years ago

Without proven free agents, some holes never seem to get filled(see O-line)

"buckeyepackfan" wrote:



Just to put it out there, you can't exactly count on high end FA's as being "locks" to live up to their potential either. *cough* Joe Johnson *cough*.
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WhiskeySam
14 years ago
Five years under Thompson, this team is stuck in neutral. Some of the comments in this thread praising Thompson and downplaying Wolf are just ridiculous. Wolf's reputation is not just built on the immediate turnaround he pulled off in GB. He helped build a championship Raiders team in the 70s; went to TB when they started and took them from a winless expansion team to the NFC title game in five years; went back to the Raiders and built another championship team; then after one season with the Jets came here. In the last twenty years, the only other personnel man I can think of off the top of my head with that kind of resume is Bill Polian (built the 90s Bills who played in 4 Super Bowls, built the expansion Panthers into instant contenders, built and still runs the championship Colts). Those two are men who won everywhere they went. TT's resume doesn't hold a candle to those two.
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Rockmolder
14 years ago

Five years under Thompson, this team is stuck in neutral. Some of the comments in this thread praising Thompson and downplaying Wolf are just ridiculous. Wolf's reputation is not just built on the immediate turnaround he pulled off in GB. He helped build a championship Raiders team in the 70s; went to TB when they started and took them from a winless expansion team to the NFC title game in five years; went back to the Raiders and built another championship team; then after one season with the Jets came here. In the last twenty years, the only other personnel man I can think of off the top of my head with that kind of resume is Bill Polian (built the 90s Bills who played in 4 Super Bowls, built the expansion Panthers into instant contenders, built and still runs the championship Colts). Those two are men who won everywhere they went. Ted Thompson's resume doesn't hold a candle to those two.

"WhiskeySam" wrote:



Since I'm the only one who was 'downplaying' Wolf, I asume that that post is directed at me.

I did not mean to downplay him at all. The man is one of the best GMs ever, if you ask me. It's just that even he misses on draft picks. There are some unrealistic expectations that, to be a good drafter, you need to hit on every single draft pick. And that while Ron Wolf has drafted some really mediocre first rounders, who where all out of the league in 5 year, or at least on other teams' roster in 3.

Don't get me wrong, Thompson is no Wolf. He hasn't build a Super Bowl team. He doesn't use FA. It's just that he's up there with Wolf in the draft department, if you ask me.
PackFanWithTwins
14 years ago
Thompson is realistically, just a couple big FA/Trades away on this team. The talent is there, just need those couple players.

Much like McCarthy needs to see that throwing down field all game isn't working, Ted needs to see that there isn't room for all the rookies on this team anymore, and we need free agents now.
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WhiskeySam
14 years ago

Since I'm the only one who was 'downplaying' Wolf, I asume that that post is directed at me.

I did not mean to downplay him at all. The man is one of the best GMs ever, if you ask me. It's just that even he misses on draft picks. There are some unrealistic expectations that, to be a good drafter, you need to hit on every single draft pick. And that while Ron Wolf has drafted some really mediocre first rounders, who where all out of the league in 5 year, or at least on other teams' roster in 3.

Don't get me wrong, Thompson is no Wolf. He hasn't build a Super Bowl team. He doesn't use FA. It's just that he's up there with Wolf in the draft department, if you ask me.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



It wasnt just you; I'm just too lazy to go back and name every person in the thread I disagreed with. 😃 I'm not sure I buy that Thompson has drafted as well as Wolf, and that's only if you consider Wolf's drafts in Green Bay. That's not to say Wolf didn't have some real stinkers, but when you look at Wolf's entire career, it's clear he was a great evaluator of talent. And that includes coaching talent. He recognized very quickly that Rhodes wasn't working here, and he dealt decisively with it. Wolf had a great reputation before coming to GB, and what he did with the Packers only added to it. Thompson was a bit of an unknown commodity coming in, and he hasn't been anywhere near as effective as Wolf.

One of the big differences between the two is communication. We've all hashed out this angle in regards with handling the team, but even the media savvy is different. When does Ted Thompson ever do national interviews? I don't remember many, but I remember Wolf doing them.
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hardrocker950
14 years ago
I agree with others that mentioned using FA more to fill out the roster. It helps to have fairly young talents coming in with NFL experience. By doing this, you come out ahead more than just draft rookies alone - these new guys usually need a couple years to really make an impact.

I see such a large generation gap in the roster. I mean we all know the well seasoned Donald Driver, Al Harris, Charles Woodson...list goes on - BUT there isn't a real long list of starters that are "mid-career" and that is where the FA come into play.
nerdmann
14 years ago

And Wolf didn't have to deal with the salary cap.

"rabidgopher04" wrote:



Salary cap started in 1994, so yes, he had to deal with it for most of his tenure.

"nerdmann" wrote:




He already had most of the pieces in place by then. Including Reggie's historically enormous (for the time) contract.
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luigis
14 years ago
If I remember correctly Thompson also traded for Kryptonian DE R-Kal-Truluck I think he traded 2 picks for this superhero.
Truluck started one game then returned to his planet, just disappeared.
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warhawk
14 years ago

Five years under Thompson, this team is stuck in neutral. Some of the comments in this thread praising Thompson and downplaying Wolf are just ridiculous. Wolf's reputation is not just built on the immediate turnaround he pulled off in GB. He helped build a championship Raiders team in the 70s; went to TB when they started and took them from a winless expansion team to the NFC title game in five years; went back to the Raiders and built another championship team; then after one season with the Jets came here. In the last twenty years, the only other personnel man I can think of off the top of my head with that kind of resume is Bill Polian (built the 90s Bills who played in 4 Super Bowls, built the expansion Panthers into instant contenders, built and still runs the championship Colts). Those two are men who won everywhere they went. Ted Thompson's resume doesn't hold a candle to those two.

"WhiskeySam" wrote:



I think the question is how far away were all these teams mentioned when the new GM took over. In the case of the Packers there was much immediate help needed in a lot of positions and through the years the old guard from the past began the natural path out.
Thats alot of turnover. I mean we are holding onto Tauscher, Clifton, and now Green again, but it's obvious that is out of necessity at this point and none will likely be here next year.

I'm not saying Ted and Mike should or shouldn't be here after this year but I do know there will be some GM's and coaches licking their chops to get in here because there is a core of younger players here well above the talent level most new guys would takeover.

I think that alone speaks for itself in terms of a misguidence on Thompson's part NOT to go after the FA's that could immediately help. It's obvious we have all the young and talented guys we really need.

One thing I don't think Thompson gets is how important that stud defensive LEADER is to a team. I think he and Mike McCarthy are so wrapped up in the tiny details they overlook the fact a huge amount of success can be contributed to the emotion and togetherness of 11 guys on the field.

They get so wrapped up in gap control and assignments and leverage they seem to forget sometimes you just go out there with the mentality that your going to whip the other guys ass. I mean, about every great defense now or what I can recall from the past had this big, mean, tough, always bleeding, LEADER, that kept everybody up which always allowed them to overcome a bad play now and then.

They look too often for the "assignment sure" guy IMO and I cannot pick out any bonafide blood spitting leader. That guy would have to be a veteran FA type because it won't come from the young guys until they establish that ability and that takes years.
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