So Why Isn't The 3-4 Working?· Page 3

TwinkieGorilla
Member

14 years ago

B.J. Raji

"dfosterf" wrote:

wut.

Raji hasn't shown a sliver of what Matthews has. i know you're exaggerating...but why you included Raji over anybody is beyond me.

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

bozz_2006 wrote:

55sandman
Registered Topic Starter

14 years ago

#22

I guess so much for changing over to the 3-4 being somewhat of a work in progress where we could expect them to get better as the season goes along.
Now all of a sudden they should be balls to the wall from the first snap of the season. I've asked this question before but were teams like the Steelers and Ravens kicking everybody's ass in the first half of the first season they installed this system?.

"warhawk" wrote:

warhawk -

My friend, this is professional football. Yes, they need to go balls out from day 1. If not, then when? Game 9, game 12? When? OTAs, mini-camps & the preseason is for getting better. You don't have the amount of practice time during the season and you focus more on game planning. That's a myth about football, a team doesn't get better during the year. It is what it is and they have to figure out a way to wins.

Aaron Rodgers wasn't given a pass for taking over a team that was in the Championship Game the prior year when he went 6-10. Ray Rhodes 8-8. This team is 4-4 and I started by discussing the 3-4 defense, not special teams or the offensive line. I didn't say the defense is THE REASON for such a poor season.

My question and opinions were only directed at the 3-4... please stop making excuses for field position/special teams. What Championship level franchise complains that their highest paid unit cannot stop offenses because of field position? They probably would have won 2 more games if they did hold teams to FGs. And please explain the Tampa Bay loss? That was special teams? A Rookie QB with 3 TDs vs. 1 interception for a previously winless Bucs team?

Damn, I have to stop taking months off before posting because I feel like I have to respond to everything... this ish is addictive.

Sandman

55sandman
Registered Topic Starter

14 years ago

#23

We are missing a couple pieces of the 3-4. Hate thinking about not having kampman, but he is not the best fit for us anymore. Another OLB to match up with Matthews, and either a Ray Lewis LBer or Troy P SS. Either would do.

What I see our problem being now is that we are lining up in Nickel D to often, should actually call us a 2-4 defense with how much we run that formation. Kampman, Jolly, Jenkins, Matthews get a push but there always seems to be an escape route for a QB. Either the DE's go past and the middle is open or there is a gap between OLB and DE.

I think we should keep 3 Dlineman on the field as much as possible. That way we can have better splits on the rush and less escape zones. All the talk about the 3-4 and the Dline eating up double teams for the LBers, and we pull one of those block eaters 75% of the time.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:

Nice breakdown PFWT! Is that twins like in babies or twins like...

Sandman

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#24

"55sandman" wrote:

Nice breakdown PFWT! Is that twins like in babies or twins like...

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:

Well not quite babies anymore. Now just pain in the arse girls.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

dfosterf
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#25

B.J. Raji

"TwinkieGorilla" wrote:

wut.

Raji hasn't shown a sliver of what Matthews has. i know you're exaggerating...but why you included Raji over anybody is beyond me.

"dfosterf" wrote:

Matthews can stay.

Raji is going to be a serious impact player in this league. The typical track for players at his position is closer to a Justin Harrell than a B.J. Raji. ---

Really.

B.J. Raji SHOULD need about three years to develop into an impact player. I bet he beats that curve easily. You are right abot Clay, though...

I want pressure on the quarterback. I don't see it. Do you see it?

Oh, I do, unfortunately it is invariably the other team bringing it. AK looks like a fish out of water in coverage, btw. He was knocked silly last game and we couldn't even tell. That tells ya something right there. I'm putting that on Dom. I thought he would be bringing more emphasis on getting the scheme to fit his players. I am not seeing that, if it means things like putting AK in a position that he is covering anyone. If that is the plan, then trade AK, period, imo. As good a pass rusher he is compared to our (still non-existent one---though Clay "flashes") AK is a net liability if he cannot do his job in coverage..and he simply cannot, imo.

I got bitched out by mentioning repeatedly after this past draft that what we look like on paper to me is a very good 4-3 football team, not a 3-4. I was told to STFU about that by some very well-respected posters, and I did so.

Well, fuck that. Dom (I was told) would "hybridize" He has not. That is on him. I kept asking what would happen if we didn't get to the quarterback on all those blitzes, etc. Like I said, Iw as told to STFU.

Zone coverages= bullshit said so then, say so now.

NT's dropping into coverage? Don't like it.

Trade AK

All these linebacker zealot assholes we have on this staff STILL haven't got the GD LINEBACKER corps right, for christ's sake. What, are we gonna chew up MORE draft picks to try and get that fixed???!!!

We have the WORST OFFENSIVE LINE IN THE NFL and we are STILL going to have to try and fix this shit?

It is time to trade some players... a lot of them.

longtimefan
Registered

14 years ago

#26

I wouldn't exactly say its not working seeing that were still ranked 4th in total defense. Other then that the 3-4 is new to this team. So you gotta give it some time.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

4th in YARDAGE who cares about that? Just like in 05? they were ranked #1 defense but that as just yards given up.

Change that to Td given up they are tied for 14th

"longtimefan" wrote:

Packers in '05
Total Defense - 7th
Passing Defense - 1st
Rushing Defense - 23rd

Not sure what you're talking about, but those are the yards per game rankings. And its no wonder we were first in passing defense, because teams were running all over us to preserve their leads. :)

"cheeseheads123" wrote:

that was my point, I was refering to #1 in passing..It meant CRAP

Just like now, it means crap that they are 4th in yards allowed ( at least for me.)

however in rushing per carry they are 2nd which is HUGE and shows that some parts of the defense are working..

longtimefan
Registered

14 years ago

#27

As I have said before, this team needs an injection of Wayne Simmons' attitude and fierce play...because right now, the Packers are a finesse team....something I loathe.

"digsthepack" wrote:

I would be down with that type of player!

nerdmann
Premier Member

14 years ago

#28

4th in total defense....yeah...take a look at the teams our defense "imposed" itself against.

We are a finesse team...as bad as when MS was here. You do not win with finesse in the NFL.

"digsthepack" wrote:

Yeah, against teams that get the ball in the red zone regularly. Occasionally also at midfield.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

nerdmann
Premier Member

14 years ago

#29

B.J. Raji, Aaron Rodgers, Greg Jennings. Everyone else can go on the block, as far as I am concerned, including management.

Bring in Bill Cowher. He can decide who stays and who goes, including Ted. Ted could be subordinate to him as GM. It has been done before... A GM that reports to the head coach. Cowher is the perfect fit for creating a team to represent the frozen tundra. Cowher will find on offensive coordinator, hell, he can keep Mike for all I care.

Cowher makes Gruden look like a girl. I want him spitting in the face of an under-performing player. We might not win right away, we might, but there will be NO confusion of how Bill felt about it.

He'd be lighting into Dom Capers right now... I guarantee it. Our special teams coach would probably have had his ass beaten a couple of times by now.

This has footage of him when he is WINNING a football game, lol

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"dfosterf" wrote:

I like Cowher too, but he's not a WCO guy, per se.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

nerdmann
Premier Member

14 years ago

#30

Why isn't the 3-4 working? My personal theory is as follows:

The 3-4 defense is designed to do one thing...pressure the QB and aggressively attack the offense from many different places, and with variant combinations of players. The problem, as I see it, is that with the exception of a few players, we do not have an aggressive bunch on defense....plus, Capers has backed off the pressure to compound matters.

As I have said before, this team needs an injection of Wayne Simmons' attitude and fierce play...because right now, the Packers are a finesse team....something I loathe.

"digsthepack" wrote:

I wouldn't mind a Wayne Simmons type dude. Cyril Obiozor on the PS could become a guy like that, I think.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

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