Zero2Cool
14 years ago

The Saints are a super O team, like the '07 Pats. They put up lots of points and just continually score. So hard to say if some of the many points they allow are "garbage points."

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Also, who knows? Maybe the defense let the other team take the lead and they had to score again to regain the lead and this happened a few times throughout the game?

Trying find a statistical measurement of the 'better' team, I think is nearly impossible, unless you really, REALLY dig deep. And even then, I don't think it would be entirely accurate because of injuries, home field noise, weather, etc ...
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wils0646
14 years ago

You just can't separate penalties from everything else, because it's all interrelated--as reflected in the win-loss columns.

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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/65706132.html 

In their 2007 Pro Football Prospectus, Aaron Schatz and Bill Barnwell from footballoutsiders.com studied penalties from 2002-'06. They found there was "almost zero" correlation between record and defensive or special-team penalties. There was, however, a much stronger correlation with offensive penalties.



Of course this can change when looking as specific games, but as a whole, defensive penalties seem to not have a significant correlation to wins and losses.
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nathaniel
14 years ago
This reminds me of all the talk last year about the Hawkeyes. We had four losses but lost those games by a combined 12 points. Everyone was saying how good we were since those losses were by such a small margin, but at the end of the day we still had four losses.

The argument is a moot point, because if Tampa Bay had better players at every position, they could be 13-0. Each team has what it has and needs to make due. O-line play and penalties are such a huge part of the game that you can't just say ignore them and look at the rest of the stats. I'd rather be 13-0. But even with our record I still like our chances against any team with any record.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago
In the end of the day, the only way to really measure the best team is the one who goes the farthest. I don't care if the Colts go 16-0, win the Divisional Playoff game by 50 points, then the CG by 50 points, then we lose the rest of our regular season games, squeak into the Playoffs, then squeak by all 3 Playoff games and win the SB in the last second by 1 point. We'd be the better team.
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14 years ago
No way anyone with as bad karma as Peyton Manning should ever be allowed to go 16-0.

Of course, he should never have been allowed to win a Superbowl or an MVP either. (mutter)
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Packers_Finland
14 years ago
What's with all the Manning hate? (I hate Peyton too, I just want to know why, as I don't know the reason myself)
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14 years ago

What's with all the Manning hate? (I hate Peyton too, I just want to know why, as I don't know the reason myself)

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Ah, but hate is supposed to be irrational (i.e. without reason). :)

As to why I don't like him:
1. Partly because he's going to own all of Favre's records.
2. But mostly its just gut feeling ... sort of like he's a really good used car salesman ... has a great rep but there's the sense that under the surface he's a sleaze.
When I was in high school, the star athletes were of three types. Some, a few, were nice and deserved all the "leadership" and "popularity" they got. Barry Sanders types. Bart Starr types. Some were pricks and got all that stuff just because they could do the athletic thing better than anyone else. And then there were the third type, the kind that had a great image as being nice like the first type, but under the surface, they were bigger pricks than the second type. I've always felt Peyton fit that third category.

To be honest, I tend to feel similarly about most icons, be they teams (ND football, Duke BB) or players (Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, virtually any tennis player, Joe Montana). I'd rather have an honest prick (Charles Barkley, Bobby Knight) than one of these image-meisters (Jordan, Coach K) anyday.
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14 years ago
I have nothing against Peyton. Eli, on the other hand, sucks. You don't shoot teams down and tell them you won't play for them after they draft you, before you've thrown ONE pass in the NFL. Seriously, go to hell Eli, you over-privileged punk. Rivers is 10 times the QB you are.
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nathaniel
14 years ago
I don't mind Peyton at all. If someone is going to break Favre's records, I'd rather it be a guy like Peyton whose work ethic is ridiculous. Plus, he was flippin' hilarious on SNL.

Now Eli on the other hand, I can't stand. All I saw when he was drafted was a little kid standing behind his daddy and his last name. I'm pretty sure his dad has a link to the radio in his helmet and he tells Eli what to do. After the Giants beat the Packers in the NFC championship game, all I could think about was how Eli looked like a below average QB. He has yet to impress me. That's not saying much, but I just don't see anything impressive about him. If I was in that locker room, it'd be hard for me to look at Eli as a leader.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

i see alot of people saying how great the Colts line is but i think most of that is on The guy i really hate Manning. He is for the most part their offensive cord, and he doesn't hold onto the ball very long.

If they are such a great o-line why is their running game sucking?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

They have 13 rushing TD's, 9 of which are from their starting RB.

"dhazer" wrote:



That smelled like a misleading stat to me, so I did a little research. The Colts are 30th in the league in rushing yards per game, averaging 88.0, and they are tied for 29th in rushing yards per attempt, averaging 3.8. I'm not going to give their rushing game a lot of credit if the passing game gets them near the goal line and they punch it in from there.

I've never seen any reason to hate Peyton Manning. I don't especially like him, either. I just think he is a phenomenal QB--among the best ever, and he is still in his prime. Eli is more of the crafty Kenny Stabler or Jim Plunkett type. He's not consistent but he keeps plugging away and is always capable of gutting out a win when it is least expected.
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