ILikeThePackers39
14 years ago
Nice point, DJD29.

Grant's under-rated, and certainly by Packers fans. Why?

1. We don't have a running offense - we have a passing offense that is complemented by the run. He's not expected to have huge gains, and the plays called for him aren't designed for that. The design is to mix it up so that the defense can't simply assume a pass will happen.

2. We spend 2 years complaining about the offensive line as it pertains to the QB protection, but we don't factor that in when looking at Grant's production? Dude got 1200+ yards two seasons straight running behind that hot mess - he ought to get a medal.

Grant is a good running back - no, he's not Adrian Peterson good, but he's damn good and he's been damn solid for the Packers. Peterson would be utterly wasted on this team, as he'd be wildly under-used. In fact, I attribute his troubles last year partly to Favre's arrival - Chilly was a member of Reid's staff for years, and like McCarthy he doesn't see a need to run if he can pass it. Thus, the Vikings went from being AD's team to being Favre's team.

In any case, no - Grant shouldn't be compared to Peterson. Hell, if things keep going the way they are in Minny, Peterson himself probably shouldn't be compared to what he could have been. But Grant is a good back, y'all.
blank
ILikeThePackers39
14 years ago

I'd be really interested to know how often Grant has been stopped in the backfield.

His style of running tends to get him out of that sort of situation, I think. He just piles into the back of the OL and hopes for a 1 or 2 yard gain than to dance in the backfield for a possible loss. I think it's simply his mentality. One cut and go, maybe two at most. If you can't get free, barge your way forward as far as you can. That's probably what's frustrating for us to watch, when he runs into one of our linemen 5 yards upfield.

I'm going to speculate that, relative to the amount of carries, Grant has fewer carries for loss than someone like Peterson. Or, I'd hope so.

"RaiderPride" wrote:



I've never thought about it that way, but it actually makes a LOT of sense. +1

"earthquake" wrote:




I may be wrong, and often am... But it seems to me any time he does go East or West and not North or South he get's no where and often loses yards.

However.. I agree +1 for the thought.

"TheEngineer" wrote:




The ZBS is designed as a one-cut-and-go deal. The blocks aren't there if you're going to try to dance around - anyone other than Barry Sanders himself is going to have a hell of a time in that situation. Grant does precisely what the system dictates he do - if he doesn't make it out of the backfield, that's often due more to the lack of a hole than something he's done wrong.
blank
Dulak
14 years ago

I'd be really interested to know how often Grant has been stopped in the backfield.

His style of running tends to get him out of that sort of situation, I think. He just piles into the back of the OL and hopes for a 1 or 2 yard gain than to dance in the backfield for a possible loss. I think it's simply his mentality. One cut and go, maybe two at most. If you can't get free, barge your way forward as far as you can. That's probably what's frustrating for us to watch, when he runs into one of our linemen 5 yards upfield.

I'm going to speculate that, relative to the amount of carries, Grant has fewer carries for loss than someone like Peterson. Or, I'd hope so.

"TheEngineer" wrote:



hmmm well not sure you can factor that into the equation - ie we all know barry sanders had many carries for a loss but we all would give up our whole frontline to just have barry sanders on our team.

I am glad we have grant instead of forte thou 🙂
zombieslayer
14 years ago

Dude got 1200+ yards two seasons straight running behind that hot mess - he ought to get a medal.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



+1
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Packers_Finland
14 years ago

Dude got 1200+ yards two seasons straight running behind that hot mess - he ought to get a medal.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



Don't forget that he also played in a very pass oriented offense.

This is exactly why I've stressed against drafting a running back, despite many peoples' opinions.
This is a placeholder
zombieslayer
14 years ago



Don't forget that he also played in a very pass oriented offense.

This is exactly why I've stressed against drafting a running back, despite many peoples' opinions.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



I'd be in favor of drafting a RB in only 2 conditions:
1) he's a dang good returner,
2) he's a Brian Westbrook type RB

If neither, then I hope we don't waste a pick on a RB.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
tonyagnese
14 years ago
Grant is a good runner but has been a minimal factor in the passing game.
blank
dhazer
14 years ago

A lot of people are down on Grant because they see every carry he has. You don't really see AP running into the back of his guys, because they don't show that on ESPN.

"DanJustDan29" wrote:




We also see Grant falling down alot after he is touched in the open field, compared to AP running the guys over.


[youtube]Bqs24InfI7g[/youtube]

[youtube]kd_62tLlpZU[/youtube]



and of course

[youtube]lrhBXbVmrWc[/youtube]





This one is for you Formo

[youtube]eYCVMUdsbpE[/youtube]
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
UserPostedImage
zombieslayer
14 years ago
David - Nobody is disputing that AP is either the best or 2nd best pure runner in the NFL. What they are disputing is whether or not AP's fumbling problems drop him down several notches, and just how good Grant is.

Like what has been said, Grant has gotten us 1200+ yards two years in a row behind a garbage OL. And when I say garbage, it really is garbage. Our OL is THE example of what an OL shouldn't be. It sucks. It's pathetic. It turns Packer fans into alcoholics.

Hey, I loved watching AP with Favre too. But he seems to fumble at the absolute worst possible times. Grant lost one fumble last year. One.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
ILikeThePackers39
14 years ago

David - Nobody is disputing that AP is either the best or 2nd best pure runner in the NFL. What they are disputing is whether or not AP's fumbling problems drop him down several notches, and just how good Grant is.

Like what has been said, Grant has gotten us 1200+ yards two years in a row behind a garbage OL. And when I say garbage, it really is garbage. Our OL is THE example of what an OL shouldn't be. It sucks. It's pathetic. It turns Packer fans into alcoholics.

Hey, I loved watching AP with Favre too. But he seems to fumble at the absolute worst possible times. Grant lost one fumble last year. One.

"zombieslayer" wrote:




I'm telling you, the fumbles were symptoms of a greater problem. Chilly wants to run an Eagles-like offense, which takes carries from Peterson and affects the run plays that get called. I don't think it's coincidence that he had his worst year in terms of fumbles when Favre showed up and gave Childress the QB to run the offense the way he wanted to. If they manage to keep that position stocked somehow, Chilly's going to wreck A.D.
blank
Similar Topics
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    TheKanataThrilla (2m) : Love you NSD
    Nonstopdrivel (14m) : Huh. I guess the F-word is censored in this fan shout.
    Nonstopdrivel (14m) : Anyone who doesn't hang out in the chat probably smokes pole.
    TheKanataThrilla (16m) : GoPackGo Thinking CB is the pick tonight
    TheKanataThrilla (17m) : Anyone hanging out in the chat tonight?
    Zero2Cool (48m) : whoa...49ers have had trade conversations about both Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiyuk
    Zero2Cool (1h) : I hope they take a Punter at 9th overall. Be bold!
    Mucky Tundra (2h) : I may end up eating those words but I think they need a lot more talent then their 4 picks can provide
    Mucky Tundra (2h) : I really hope they stand pat and Draft a WR
    Mucky Tundra (2h) : @DMRussini
    Mucky Tundra (2h) : The Chicago Bears are very open for business at 9 and telling teams they are ready to move for the right price, per source
    buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : Lions extend Penei Soul 4yrs - 112mil
    buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : Lions extend St. Brown 4 years 120mil and
    Mucky Tundra (24-Apr) : Now look, trading up to 13 to take a TE might not seem like a good idea later but it will be later!
    dfosterf (24-Apr) : (Your trade up mock post)
    dfosterf (24-Apr) : Mucky- The only thing fun to watch would be me flipping the f out if Gute goes up to 13 and grabs Brock Bowers, lol
    beast (24-Apr) : DT Byron Murphy II, Texas... whom some believe is the next Aaron Donald (or the closest thing to Donald)
    Zero2Cool (24-Apr) : What? And who?
    Mucky Tundra (24-Apr) : *sad Mucky noises*
    Mucky Tundra (24-Apr) : @JoeJHoyt Murphy said he’s been told he won’t slide past pick No. 16.
    wpr (23-Apr) : Just about time to watch Sonny Weaver stick it to the seahags. I never get tired of it.
    Martha Careful (23-Apr) : *game plan
    Martha Careful (23-Apr) : IMHO, not even close. He is not a guy you game play around.
    Mucky Tundra (23-Apr) : is Aiyuk worth a 1st rounder?
    Zero2Cool (23-Apr) : 49ers are seeking a 1st round pick in exchange for WR Brandon Aiyuk
    Mucky Tundra (22-Apr) : Based on Gutes comments, now I don't feel as silly having 13 picks in my mock the other day
    Zero2Cool (22-Apr) : Zach Wilson to Broncos.
    Zero2Cool (22-Apr) : Gutekunst says he'd love to have 13 or 14 picks. He's trading back huh lol
    beast (22-Apr) : Someday we'll have a draft betting scandal
    beast (21-Apr) : Sometimes looking extremely amazing, sometimes looking extremely lost
    beast (21-Apr) : I haven't looked into the QBs, but some have suggested Maye has some of the most extremely inconsistent tape they've seen
    beast (21-Apr) : Well it also sounds like Patriots are listening to trade offers, not that seriously considering any, but listening means they aren't locked
    Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : Maye needs to be AFC
    Mucky Tundra (21-Apr) : Not liking the idea of the Vikings getting Maye
    Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : Vikings HC joked that he may or may not have sent flowers to Bob Kraft. That's where rumor came from.
    beast (21-Apr) : Can't tell if this is real or BS, but some rumors about a possible Patriots/Vikings trade for #3 overall
    dfosterf (21-Apr) : One playbook to my knowledge. I was shooting for facetious.
    beast (20-Apr) : I'm not sure they have different playbooks for different OL positions, and Dillard run blocking is supposedly worse than his pass blocking..
    dfosterf (19-Apr) : The only problem with that is he isn't a guard either.
    dfosterf (19-Apr) : Put him at right guard. That is where he will be coached. That is where he will compete. He is not even allowed to look at the LT playbook.
    dfosterf (18-Apr) : Kidding aside, I hope the best for him.
    dfosterf (18-Apr) : Went to a Titans board. One comment there. Not very long. I quote: "LOL" They don't sound overly upset about our aquisition.
    beast (18-Apr) : OT Dillard has been absolutely horrible... like OG Newman levels
    dfosterf (18-Apr) : Suit him up and have him stand in front of the big board as a draft day cautionary tale.
    Zero2Cool (18-Apr) : Packers sign T Andre Dillard.
    Mucky Tundra (18-Apr) : Adds most of the information this time of year comes from agents.
    Mucky Tundra (18-Apr) : @RealAlexBarth Bill Belichick says accurate draft information doesn't leak from teams until about 12 hours before the draft. Adds most of th
    Mucky Tundra (18-Apr) : I am very happy that for moment, Jordan Love seems like a normal human being
    Zero2Cool (17-Apr) : Belichick * whatever
    Zero2Cool (17-Apr) : "There's a lot of depth at Offensive Tackle and Wide Receiver." Bill Bellichick
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2023 Packers Schedule
    Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM
    Bears
    38 - 20
    Sunday, Sep 17 @ 12:00 PM
    Falcons
    24 - 25
    Sunday, Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM
    SAINTS
    18 - 17
    Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:15 PM
    LIONS
    20 - 34
    Monday, Oct 9 @ 7:15 PM
    Raiders
    13 - 17
    Sunday, Oct 22 @ 3:25 PM
    Broncos
    17 - 19
    Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    10 - 24
    Sunday, Nov 5 @ 12:00 PM
    RAMS
    20 - 3
    Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM
    Steelers
    19 - 23
    Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM
    CHARGERS
    23 - 20
    Thursday, Nov 23 @ 11:30 AM
    Lions
    29 - 22
    Sunday, Dec 3 @ 7:20 PM
    CHIEFS
    27 - 19
    Monday, Dec 11 @ 7:15 PM
    Giants
    22 - 24
    Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM
    BUCCANEERS
    20 - 34
    Sunday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
    Panthers
    33 - 30
    Sunday, Dec 31 @ 7:20 PM
    Vikings
    33 - 10
    Sunday, Jan 7 @ 3:25 PM
    BEARS
    17 - 9
    Sunday, Jan 14 @ 3:30 PM
    Cowboys
    48 - 32
    Saturday, Jan 20 @ 7:15 PM
    49ers
    21 - 24
    Recent Topics
    3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

    5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    10h / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

    22h / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

    24-Apr / Random Babble / beast

    22-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    21-Apr / Fantasy Sports Talk / dfosterf

    19-Apr / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

    18-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    18-Apr / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

    18-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    17-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    17-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    17-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    17-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.