13 years ago

But yeah, 2 1sts and a 3rd for a player similar to Rodgers in talent, becoming a major distraction and potential cancer to the team.

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Then you factor in that Cutler hasn't had a winning season since high school and had an 86.0 passer rating the year before the trade, and that Rodgers is coming off a season where his team went 11-5 while he had a 103.2 rating and 5 rushing TDs, and I still stick with my original estimate of his value- I'd trade him for 5 first round picks. MAYBE you could twist my arm into taking 4 firsts and a second in this year's draft.
Rockmolder
13 years ago

One thing that you need to consider with the Cutler trade is that he was basically being a disgruntled crybaby that denver NEEDED to move, and stillllll got 2 1sts and a 3rd for him. Prying loose a pro-bowl QB entering his prime with no character issues, heck the guy is pretty much a model of saying and doing the right things his entire career, i think is a vastly different situation.

But yeah, 2 1sts and a 3rd for a player similar to Rodgers in talent, becoming a major distraction and potential cancer to the team.

As far as comparing Cutler to Rodgers, i actually think Cutler has more talent, but is a lot dumber than Rodgers. I view Rodgers as one of the smartest QB's in the game, and all you need to do is look at that TD to INT ratio to see why.

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Well thats high praise seeing he wasn't smart enough to throw the ball away to prevent sacks. He is good but settle down cowboy he has flaws to go with the good things.

"earthquake" wrote:



Then give us some QBs who are smarter? Don't get me wrong, Rodgers isn't exactly Manning and he doesn't have the experience to read blitzes and coverages like Favre and Brady, but give me some QBs who are smarter with the ball in their hands than Rodgers? He's efficient, doesn't throw interceptions. Yes, he took too much sacks for a while, but c'mon, that O-line...
earthquake
13 years ago
Holding the ball too long is literally the ONLY knock on Rodgers thus far in his career that is legitimate, and as the season progressed, he improved. I seem to remember a certain QB who held onto the ball too long, took too many sacks and threw wayyyy to many INTs early in his career that worked out pretty well for the packers.

You can make a case that taking those sacks is game changing, but i think the #1 negative type of play when you consider "game changing" plays, is throwing an INT. So i would rather a few more sacks and a few less ints, and lets face it, the guy simply doesnt throw INTS. 59 TDS to 21 INTS in his career, with his style of play, he's very comparable to Donovan McNabb(runs well, doesnt throw picks) except he's more accurate and throws for more yards and a higher average.


Well thats high praise seeing he wasn't smart enough to throw the ball away to prevent sacks. He is good but settle down cowboy he has flaws to go with the good things.

"dhazer" wrote:



I'm not delusional nor do i think he is perfect, however i think i have a little better understanding of his market value around the league than you do, which is obvious by what you think a team could trade to get him, and how nobody here, or anywhere else would come close to agreeing with you. Its pretty clear from the years you've posted here that in your eyes, his biggest flaw is simply not spelling his last name with the letters F,V,A,E and R.
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dhazer
13 years ago
Why are you bringing Favre into this I never once said that. Ok you say taking sacks is ok compared to an INT but with all those sacks comes injuries eventually.

I have stated a few times already I am happy with Rodgers as our qb, but I would also consider trading him if that offer was made. I also like how you claim noone else would agree with me. And I ask how do you know that, I have asked for this to get posted on PPO and I haven't heard anything back on that. I asked in a few football chat rooms and I had people agreeing with me and hell some even said they would think of trading Brady and even Manning.

Now if the Rams gave us 1-3 this year and 1 next year I would take that so fast that they couldn't change there minds.

If Rodgers went to the Rams I would bet you wouldn't see the stats you see now. But anyhows I know alot on here don't think outside of the green and gold juice and over value alot of the players which is normal. But when you live outside of Wisconsin you can talk to others and get different views of things which make you think.

Hell here in PGH the fans I have talked to would be happy to get a 1st rounder for Ben and anything extra would be frosting on the cake. He is a proven winner with off the field problems but he still wins on the field and thats all they want.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Dave, you make me smirk. If you think Roethlisberger will have anything remotely resembling the level of success he's had in Pittsburgh anywhere else in the NFL, I have a premium piece of New Jersey Oceania I'm just itching to sell you.

As for what earthquake said regarding interceptions and sacks, he's unquestionably correct. All the statistics bear it out. An NFL's primary job is not to throw touchdowns, as some people on this board have claimed; his primary job is NOT to throw interceptions. Look at these playoff statistics (1970-2009):

0 INT -- 191-51 (.789)
1 INT -- 144-119 (.548)
2 INT -- 54-119 (.312)
3 INT -- 17-78 (.179)
4+ INT -- 1-41 (.024)

Do I want my quarterback to take hits? No, but I'd far rather he take a few hits than throw an interception at a critical moment. It wasn't Rodgers' taking a hit that ultimately sealed the Packers' defeat in the playoffs: it was Rodgers' fumbling the ball away. That is to say, a turnover.
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dhazer
13 years ago
I understand what your saying Rourke but missing what I am saying. If Rodgers continues to hold the ball to long he will be hurt, but then again I am sure the NFL will make some more rules to protect the qbs which in turn will increase the stats.

Also as far as Ben goes, will he win somewhere else who knows. It would depend on what team he is on. Just like I said if Rodgers went to the Rams I would bet you wouldn't see those numbers, so would people say he sucked then? People don't like the term system qb but the NFL as a whole is filled with them Brady is good in the Pats system, Manning in the Colts system hell look at Favre in the Vikes system they all flourish, but what happens if you take them out of that.


I still say I would accept the trade to help better the whole team but thats just me and thats my thoughts.

Actually I would probably ask for a 1st this year and 1-3 next year and hope for the rookie pay scale lol.
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Packers_Finland
13 years ago
Is dhazer the Raiders GM? Because trading Rodgers for so little is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Top 5 QBs only come around so often.
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all_about_da_packers
13 years ago

Is dhazer the Raiders GM? Because trading Rodgers for so little is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Top 5 QBs only come around so often.

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I'm waiting for him to tell us how he'd replace Rodgers )that is, where our next staring Qb will come from). Surely, he doesn't think Matt Flynn is the answer going forward.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

missing what I am saying.

"dhazer" wrote:



I was merely addressing your point that Rodgers would suck in St. Louis, while "all Big Ben does is win." I think Roethlisberger would suck just as much in St. Louis as Rodgers would, if not more so.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago
I'd take Aaron Rodgers over Big Ben any day of the week, and that was before we learned that Ben may well be a sociopath.

The whole Big Ben belongs in the Hall just baffles me. Huh? I don't get it. Prove it to me. If you make the claim, you have to come up with the proof. And don't give me the 2 SB wins bullshit. Seriously. That's bullshit and you know it. The first win was the absolute WORST performance by a winning QB ever. Ever. In the history of the Super Bowl, NO ONE has had a performance near that bad and still won.

Geez. Like I said before, I want that guy to buy me a lottery ticket. Right place at the right time.

He's had one Pro Bowl. You don't put a QB in the Hall with one Pro Bowl.
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