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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:40:52 PM(UTC)
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Vikings running back Adrian Peterson hasn't been in close contact with Brett Favre this offseason. But after seeing Favre last week, Peterson says he expects them to be teammates this year -- and he's willing to beg Favre to come back if that's what it takes.

"I saw him down in L.A. for the first time this offseason, down at the ESPYs," Peterson told the Oklahoman while in town for a football camp. "Looking in his eyes, I got the sense he was coming back. I'll be going down to his house, telling him, 'Favre, I need you back.'"

Peterson said reaching the Super Bowl would carry extra weight for him this season because the game is in Texas, where he was born and raised. And he says the Vikings need Favre at quarterback if they're going to get there.

"I grew up watching Favre," Peterson said. "I'm as big a fan of his as the people that's watching him. People in Green Bay that's been watching him all his life. Just to have the opportunity to play with him and come up short, it would definitely feel good [if he came back] this year [and we] hoisted up that trophy [together] in Dallas, Texas."

For Favre, whose own agent thinks he's a drama queen, it must be music to his ears to hear Peterson talk about him in such glowing terms. When Favre eventually reports to the Vikings, he'll surely say he decided to return for another season because he loves his teammates as much as they love him.



I think Favre needs Adrian more than the other way around.
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#2 Posted : Saturday, July 24, 2010 2:57:41 PM(UTC)
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I thought AD was in a contract squabble with the Vikes.

I was hearing/reading that he has done virtually nothing in the off-season that would count as addressing his fumble issues.

He was suppossedly at some parade when he he should have been with the team, or somesuch, plus he skipped OTA's.

Fine with me, but just thought it interesting that AD would make a pronouncement about Brett when he has his own issues.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, July 24, 2010 5:46:44 PM(UTC)
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Well......isn't this "love fest" SPECIAL???
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#4 Posted : Sunday, July 25, 2010 1:00:48 AM(UTC)
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AP missed one weekend of OTAs. Ever since then, he's been working with the team and running around with a football shaped medicine ball.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, July 25, 2010 1:21:42 AM(UTC)
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More then we can say about BF, hey?lol!
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#6 Posted : Sunday, July 25, 2010 4:35:09 AM(UTC)
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Actually AP skipped all of the Vikings OTAs and almost all of the veterans on the team did. The thing that burned Chillie's chili was AP skipped mandatory mini camp.

The difference is all the signed Packer players attended OTAs, even the injured players like Driver and Harris.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, July 25, 2010 5:25:18 AM(UTC)
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Vikings running back Adrian Peterson hasn't been in close contact with Brett Favre this offseason. But after seeing Favre last week, Peterson says he expects them to be teammates this year -- and he's willing to beg Favre to come back if that's what it takes.

"I saw him down in L.A. for the first time this offseason, down at the ESPYs," Peterson told the Oklahoman while in town for a football camp. "Looking in his eyes, I got the sense he was coming back. I'll be going down to his house, telling him, 'Favre, I need you back.'"

Peterson said reaching the Super Bowl would carry extra weight for him this season because the game is in Texas, where he was born and raised. And he says the Vikings need Favre at quarterback if they're going to get there.

"I grew up watching Favre," Peterson said. "I'm as big a fan of his as the people that's watching him. People in Green Bay that's been watching him all his life. Just to have the opportunity to play with him and come up short, it would definitely feel good [if he came back] this year [and we] hoisted up that trophy [together] in Dallas, Texas."

For Favre, whose own agent thinks he's a drama queen, it must be music to his ears to hear Peterson talk about him in such glowing terms. When Favre eventually reports to the Vikings, he'll surely say he decided to return for another season because he loves his teammates as much as they love him.



I think Favre needs Adrian more than the other way around.


Yea, everyone needs a fumble machine like Peterson. They should trade him for a stud cornerback and go with the rookie rb they drafted and another veteran unless he has figured out his fumbling/holding the ball right issue.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:14:16 AM(UTC)
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Vikings running back Adrian Peterson hasn't been in close contact with Brett Favre this offseason. But after seeing Favre last week, Peterson says he expects them to be teammates this year -- and he's willing to beg Favre to come back if that's what it takes.

"I saw him down in L.A. for the first time this offseason, down at the ESPYs," Peterson told the Oklahoman while in town for a football camp. "Looking in his eyes, I got the sense he was coming back. I'll be going down to his house, telling him, 'Favre, I need you back.'"

Peterson said reaching the Super Bowl would carry extra weight for him this season because the game is in Texas, where he was born and raised. And he says the Vikings need Favre at quarterback if they're going to get there.

"I grew up watching Favre," Peterson said. "I'm as big a fan of his as the people that's watching him. People in Green Bay that's been watching him all his life. Just to have the opportunity to play with him and come up short, it would definitely feel good [if he came back] this year [and we] hoisted up that trophy [together] in Dallas, Texas."

For Favre, whose own agent thinks he's a drama queen, it must be music to his ears to hear Peterson talk about him in such glowing terms. When Favre eventually reports to the Vikings, he'll surely say he decided to return for another season because he loves his teammates as much as they love him.



I think Favre needs Adrian more than the other way around.


I respectfully disagree. Favre led the O last year for the Vikings, not the other way around.

Favre will be back. And he'll throw another 30+ TDs.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:55:58 PM(UTC)
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:00:53 AM(UTC)
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I think Favre needs Adrian more than the other way around.


I respectfully disagree. Favre led the O last year for the Vikings, not the other way around.

Favre will be back. And he'll throw another 30+ TDs.


I don't think Favre needs Adrian to throw 30 TD's.

I can't deny the obvious fact that when you have a RB with the talent of Adrian, you can't tell me that doesn't doesn't open up passing lanes with a play action pass. Not to mention when the box is stacked too. Those things help a QB a lot. Look at how many teams said "old man, go ahead and try to beat us, we're stopping Adrian" and to his credit, he did beat them, but the focus was stopping Adrian.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:10:56 AM(UTC)
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I think the key was containing AP and not letting Favre beat you. Let AP get over 100 yards, just don't let him break away and score. Keep him in front of you and play the Pass the same way. You can't ignore either one of them.

As much as I don't want to, I have to defend AP. 6 fumbles lost in a year and you want to toss him. Favre had 7 ints and 2 lost fumbles in his best year and every one congratulates him. AP is the most productive back for the last 3 years. So he loses one every 2-3 games. Even in NO, AP didn't turn over the ball, Favre did, 3 times.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:47:56 AM(UTC)
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I don't think Favre needs Adrian to throw 30 TD's.

I can't deny the obvious fact that when you have a RB with the talent of Adrian, you can't tell me that doesn't doesn't open up passing lanes with a play action pass. Not to mention when the box is stacked too. Those things help a QB a lot. Look at how many teams said "old man, go ahead and try to beat us, we're stopping Adrian" and to his credit, he did beat them, but the focus was stopping Adrian.


Favre was on pace for 30 TDs with the Jets before that injury. I think if you look at Favre's career, it's in stages. His best years were '94-97 and then '07-present (not including the last 5 games of '08 where he should have been pulled).

Does Adrian open up things for Favre? Heck yeah. But the MVP of the Vikings' O last year was Favre, not AP. That's what I was getting at. That TD pass that won the game against the Niners was the prettiest play I saw in '09, period.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:38:24 AM(UTC)
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But the MVP of the Vikings' O last year was Favre, not AP. That's what I was getting at. That TD pass that won the game against the Niners was the prettiest play I saw in '09, period.


It DID win the ESPY for the best play of the year.. In ALL sports. Can't argue that.

Still gives me goosebumps.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:42:36 AM(UTC)
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The pass with the 49ers was a wing and prayer, per Brett Favre. Fantastic play, but it wasn't the throw itself that was MOST impressive. It was his pocket presence that was most impressive.

Obviously the man who only chucked 7 picks with 33 TD's was the MVP of their offense. That wasn't being disputed.

I'm saying this, again, and again.
Brett didn't open things up for Adrian as much as Adrian opened them up for Brett last year. Brett took full advantage of Adrian last year.

I think teams are going to be tripping over themselves trying to decide who to try to stop more, Adrian or Brett? I think they hammer the shit out of Brett and he unfortunately gets hurt.

If I recall correctly the Saints threw the kitchen sink at Brett and then some. It forced him into several mistakes. I see other teams trying to emulate that. Some will get toasted, but some will get home with it.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:43:40 AM(UTC)
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I think if teams don't follow New Orleans' example and pound Favre, they're stupid. How many teams tried Capers' strategy of shutting down Peterson and daring Favre to beat them, and how many failed in the attempt? Hell, the Packers alone failed twice.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:40:03 AM(UTC)
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The thing that bugs the hell out of me is how they claim that the Saint FINALLY found the blueprint to beating the Vikings.. When the fact of the matter is.. The FACT of the matter is that the VIKINGS beat the Vikings. NOT the Saints. The Saints took great advantage of the eggs the Vikings laid.

The teams that, IMO, found the blueprint to beating the Vikings were the Cardinals and the Panthers.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:02:20 AM(UTC)
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So the secret to beating Favre is to play really good pass coverage, and win the one on one battles up front? Yeah...a lot easier said than done. The Saints didn't unlock any secrets. They just executed very well.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:52:20 PM(UTC)
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So the secret to beating Favre is to play really good pass coverage, and win the one on one battles up front? Yeah...a lot easier said than done. The Saints didn't unlock any secrets. They just executed very well.


I thought the Vikings dominated that game on both sides of the ball; and it couldn't have provided more proof that they are a cursed team, even moreso than the Chicago Cubs, because they have had more opportunity for greatness.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:07:07 PM(UTC)
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The thing that bugs the hell out of me is how they claim that the Saint FINALLY found the blueprint to beating the Vikings.. When the fact of the matter is.. The FACT of the matter is that the VIKINGS beat the Vikings. NOT the Saints. The Saints took great advantage of the eggs the Vikings laid.

The teams that, IMO, found the blueprint to beating the Vikings were the Cardinals and the Panthers.


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So the secret to beating Favre is to play really good pass coverage, and win the one on one battles up front? Yeah...a lot easier said than done. The Saints didn't unlock any secrets. They just executed very well.



Yes, the point of most defense is to get to the QB and disrupt his rhythm. No one's saying the Saints unlocked any trade secrets or anything of that nature. I'm saying they sacrificed men deep for men up front to apply pressure. They took a risk in hoping they could get to Favre before he released the ball to an open receiver.

I just think more teams will use an extra backer or lineman to apply pressure on Brett. I think also, he's going to scorch many teams on that with short dump offs. I think it'll be successful a game or two, but you can't stop Brett with one flavor, he'll find a way to beat you.

Don't mention Capers, he's Favre's bitch, there's no denying it.

I don't remember the Saints/Vikings game fully, but I didn't get the impression the Vikings were beating themselves more than the Saints were beating them. The Saints were forcing the Vikings into making mistakes, which is what good teams do. You rattle their cage and pounce on the miscues.

I don't think there's really a blueprint to beating Brett. If you throw heavy blitz, he'll kill you with short passes. You use coverage, be it zone or bump, he'll find away to zip the ball in there.

If there's a "blueprint" to beating Brett, I think it's getting his team down by a score or two, and hit him hard over and over again to wear him down into getting frustrated and forcing passes.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:45:31 PM(UTC)
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Hell of a post Zero, well stated.

They Should be showing the championship games on NFLN this weekend or next though and it might be worth checking out again cuz Formo's right, the Vikes had a lot to do with beating themselves in that game.
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#21 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:34:46 PM(UTC)
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Hell of a post Zero, well stated.

They Should be showing the championship games on NFLN this weekend or next though and it might be worth checking out again cuz Formo's right, the Vikes had a lot to do with beating themselves in that game.


Guess I seem to take the whole beating yourself more of an excuse than reason. I'm not saying the Saints were more talented, but when a team forces you to make mistakes, and then capitalize on them, I thought that was the point of being an aggressive defense. Force your opponent to buckle and screw up.

I don't really remember the game too much, so I could be wrong. Maybe the Vikings OL was sacking Brett and the WR switching uniforms in the middle of the routes. :P Nah seriously, I just don't buy it.

I can't say I understood it when a fan says we beat ourselves, hell, even I've said it in the past, but really, what does that mean? How does a team beat itself?

Certain things I could understand, say missing a 30 some yard FG with limited pressure on the kicker. QB with plenty of time, has an open WR and throws it into coverage and intercepted. Fumbling the ball without anyone touching you. Etc, things of that nature, sure I get that, but I didn't see too many mistakes that weren't attributed to the Saints whipping the shit out of the Vikings in a way the Packers could only dream of doing.

Or is saying your team beat itself a way of saying they choked?


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#22 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:09:51 AM(UTC)
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Despite the many questionable calls (not using them as excuses because they shouldn't have even mattered if the Vikings did their job), the Vikings turned the ball over way too many times. I think 5. But put it on the ground 6 or 7 (my memory keeps telling me 7, but I'm not sure). The most they turned the ball over in any other game was 3. So judging from past recent performances, they beat themselves. They turned the ball over 2 more times than they had in their second most turnover prone game of that year.

The Saints had NOTHING to do with the botched handoff between Favre / AP. There wasn't a Saint close enough to touch either one of those guys. That's just ONE example of how the Vikings beat themselves that game. That was in the red zone too. That's a potential 7 point swing.
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#23 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:34:31 AM(UTC)
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Despite the many questionable calls (not using them as excuses because they shouldn't have even mattered if the Vikings did their job), the Vikings turned the ball over way too many times. I think 5. But put it on the ground 6 or 7 (my memory keeps telling me 7, but I'm not sure). The most they turned the ball over in any other game was 3. So judging from past recent performances, they beat themselves. They turned the ball over 2 more times than they had in their second most turnover prone game of that year.

The Saints had NOTHING to do with the botched handoff between Favre / AP. There wasn't a Saint close enough to touch either one of those guys. That's just ONE example of how the Vikings beat themselves that game. That was in the red zone too. That's a potential 7 point swing.


I'm with Formo on this one. The Vikings should have won that game.

Teams can kill themselves. If you don't believe me, watch Wrecks Grossman single-handedly give the Super Bowl to the Colts. The Colts didn't win that game. Wrecks Grossman lost it.
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So the secret to beating Favre is to play really good pass coverage, and win the one on one battles up front? Yeah...a lot easier said than done. The Saints didn't unlock any secrets. They just executed very well.


Yea man, the Saints are a pretty good team. They have a bunch of great players and the offense to force the Vikes to stay in predictable pass mode all game long. There might be only 2 or 3 teams with the weapons to be able to execute that gameplan and even still, the Vikings blew it big time in that game. That plus all the fumbles shooting themselves in the foot. Seriously, you're playing a dominant team like the Saints and you fumble the ball 6 times!!! 6 freaking fumbles and one interception going into that last drive!!! How they were even in that game at all is amazing.
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The thing that bugs the hell out of me is how they claim that the Saint FINALLY found the blueprint to beating the Vikings.. When the fact of the matter is.. The FACT of the matter is that the VIKINGS beat the Vikings. NOT the Saints. The Saints took great advantage of the eggs the Vikings laid.

The teams that, IMO, found the blueprint to beating the Vikings were the Cardinals and the Panthers.


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So the secret to beating Favre is to play really good pass coverage, and win the one on one battles up front? Yeah...a lot easier said than done. The Saints didn't unlock any secrets. They just executed very well.



Yes, the point of most defense is to get to the QB and disrupt his rhythm. No one's saying the Saints unlocked any trade secrets or anything of that nature. I'm saying they sacrificed men deep for men up front to apply pressure. They took a risk in hoping they could get to Favre before he released the ball to an open receiver.

I just think more teams will use an extra backer or lineman to apply pressure on Brett. I think also, he's going to scorch many teams on that with short dump offs. I think it'll be successful a game or two, but you can't stop Brett with one flavor, he'll find a way to beat you.

Don't mention Capers, he's Favre's bitch, there's no denying it.

I don't remember the Saints/Vikings game fully, but I didn't get the impression the Vikings were beating themselves more than the Saints were beating them. The Saints were forcing the Vikings into making mistakes, which is what good teams do. You rattle their cage and pounce on the miscues.

I don't think there's really a blueprint to beating Brett. If you throw heavy blitz, he'll kill you with short passes. You use coverage, be it zone or bump, he'll find away to zip the ball in there.

If there's a "blueprint" to beating Brett, I think it's getting his team down by a score or two, and hit him hard over and over again to wear him down into getting frustrated and forcing passes.



Yea, it's not like finally after 18 or so seasons, the NFL finally found the blueprint to beating Brett. It's always been the same. Knock him on his ass and force him to come from behind. Thats why the Cowboys would beat him every time in early 90's. It's easy to say it on paper but not so easy to execute it unless you have a very talented and dynamic defense that's built around pressing the QB and you can get a lead on him.
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