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Offline Dexter_Sinister  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:10:56 AM(UTC)
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I think the key was containing AP and not letting Favre beat you. Let AP get over 100 yards, just don't let him break away and score. Keep him in front of you and play the Pass the same way. You can't ignore either one of them.

As much as I don't want to, I have to defend AP. 6 fumbles lost in a year and you want to toss him. Favre had 7 ints and 2 lost fumbles in his best year and every one congratulates him. AP is the most productive back for the last 3 years. So he loses one every 2-3 games. Even in NO, AP didn't turn over the ball, Favre did, 3 times.
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I don't think Favre needs Adrian to throw 30 TD's.

I can't deny the obvious fact that when you have a RB with the talent of Adrian, you can't tell me that doesn't doesn't open up passing lanes with a play action pass. Not to mention when the box is stacked too. Those things help a QB a lot. Look at how many teams said "old man, go ahead and try to beat us, we're stopping Adrian" and to his credit, he did beat them, but the focus was stopping Adrian.


Favre was on pace for 30 TDs with the Jets before that injury. I think if you look at Favre's career, it's in stages. His best years were '94-97 and then '07-present (not including the last 5 games of '08 where he should have been pulled).

Does Adrian open up things for Favre? Heck yeah. But the MVP of the Vikings' O last year was Favre, not AP. That's what I was getting at. That TD pass that won the game against the Niners was the prettiest play I saw in '09, period.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:38:24 AM(UTC)
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But the MVP of the Vikings' O last year was Favre, not AP. That's what I was getting at. That TD pass that won the game against the Niners was the prettiest play I saw in '09, period.


It DID win the ESPY for the best play of the year.. In ALL sports. Can't argue that.

Still gives me goosebumps.
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The pass with the 49ers was a wing and prayer, per Brett Favre. Fantastic play, but it wasn't the throw itself that was MOST impressive. It was his pocket presence that was most impressive.

Obviously the man who only chucked 7 picks with 33 TD's was the MVP of their offense. That wasn't being disputed.

I'm saying this, again, and again.
Brett didn't open things up for Adrian as much as Adrian opened them up for Brett last year. Brett took full advantage of Adrian last year.

I think teams are going to be tripping over themselves trying to decide who to try to stop more, Adrian or Brett? I think they hammer the shit out of Brett and he unfortunately gets hurt.

If I recall correctly the Saints threw the kitchen sink at Brett and then some. It forced him into several mistakes. I see other teams trying to emulate that. Some will get toasted, but some will get home with it.
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I think if teams don't follow New Orleans' example and pound Favre, they're stupid. How many teams tried Capers' strategy of shutting down Peterson and daring Favre to beat them, and how many failed in the attempt? Hell, the Packers alone failed twice.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:40:03 AM(UTC)
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The thing that bugs the hell out of me is how they claim that the Saint FINALLY found the blueprint to beating the Vikings.. When the fact of the matter is.. The FACT of the matter is that the VIKINGS beat the Vikings. NOT the Saints. The Saints took great advantage of the eggs the Vikings laid.

The teams that, IMO, found the blueprint to beating the Vikings were the Cardinals and the Panthers.
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So the secret to beating Favre is to play really good pass coverage, and win the one on one battles up front? Yeah...a lot easier said than done. The Saints didn't unlock any secrets. They just executed very well.
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So the secret to beating Favre is to play really good pass coverage, and win the one on one battles up front? Yeah...a lot easier said than done. The Saints didn't unlock any secrets. They just executed very well.


I thought the Vikings dominated that game on both sides of the ball; and it couldn't have provided more proof that they are a cursed team, even moreso than the Chicago Cubs, because they have had more opportunity for greatness.
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The thing that bugs the hell out of me is how they claim that the Saint FINALLY found the blueprint to beating the Vikings.. When the fact of the matter is.. The FACT of the matter is that the VIKINGS beat the Vikings. NOT the Saints. The Saints took great advantage of the eggs the Vikings laid.

The teams that, IMO, found the blueprint to beating the Vikings were the Cardinals and the Panthers.


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So the secret to beating Favre is to play really good pass coverage, and win the one on one battles up front? Yeah...a lot easier said than done. The Saints didn't unlock any secrets. They just executed very well.



Yes, the point of most defense is to get to the QB and disrupt his rhythm. No one's saying the Saints unlocked any trade secrets or anything of that nature. I'm saying they sacrificed men deep for men up front to apply pressure. They took a risk in hoping they could get to Favre before he released the ball to an open receiver.

I just think more teams will use an extra backer or lineman to apply pressure on Brett. I think also, he's going to scorch many teams on that with short dump offs. I think it'll be successful a game or two, but you can't stop Brett with one flavor, he'll find a way to beat you.

Don't mention Capers, he's Favre's bitch, there's no denying it.

I don't remember the Saints/Vikings game fully, but I didn't get the impression the Vikings were beating themselves more than the Saints were beating them. The Saints were forcing the Vikings into making mistakes, which is what good teams do. You rattle their cage and pounce on the miscues.

I don't think there's really a blueprint to beating Brett. If you throw heavy blitz, he'll kill you with short passes. You use coverage, be it zone or bump, he'll find away to zip the ball in there.

If there's a "blueprint" to beating Brett, I think it's getting his team down by a score or two, and hit him hard over and over again to wear him down into getting frustrated and forcing passes.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:45:31 PM(UTC)
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Hell of a post Zero, well stated.

They Should be showing the championship games on NFLN this weekend or next though and it might be worth checking out again cuz Formo's right, the Vikes had a lot to do with beating themselves in that game.
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